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Paradigm wrote: Yeah, I'm hoping Punisher shows up at some point. Not only would he fit tonally, but his ruthleness put up against Daredevil's no-killing rule would be a nice element to introduce.
Paradigm wrote: Could you elaborate? I'm not familiar enough with the comics to see what you're getting at.
Master Izo was responsible for persuading daredevil to lead the hand. This resulted in him taking over Hells Kitchen. Which led to Punisher, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, Moon Knight and other street heroes all teaming up to fight him. Read Shadowland for a more detailed version.
I finished it a few days ago, and whilst I thought it could've been an episode or two shorter and still kept most of the quality, it was very good. A few minor gripes here and there, but I'd be surprised if there weren't.
I do feel like the only one who
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misses Wesley. I loved his character, and the bond he shared with Fisk. I was genuinely a little upset when he was killed.
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Wesley was certainly more developed than your average henchman/right-hand-man, and the same could be said for all the show's named baddies. The fact that there are moments when you genuinely start believing that Fisk at least has good intentions, and later becomes a victim of Gao and Owlsley is a testament to how well written both sides are.
Avatar 720 wrote: I finished it a few days ago, and whilst I thought it could've been an episode or two shorter and still kept most of the quality, it was very good. A few minor gripes here and there, but I'd be surprised if there weren't.
I do feel like the only one who
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misses Wesley. I loved his character, and the bond he shared with Fisk. I was genuinely a little upset when he was killed.
Totally.
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Actually, on reflection, his death was kind of 'wasted', if that makes sense? Not really sure what the purpose of that little sub-plot was, to be honest. Seems odd to kill off a major character purely so that Urich can die and the blonde chick survive.
Avatar 720 wrote: I finished it a few days ago, and whilst I thought it could've been an episode or two shorter and still kept most of the quality, it was very good. A few minor gripes here and there, but I'd be surprised if there weren't.
I do feel like the only one who
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misses Wesley. I loved his character, and the bond he shared with Fisk. I was genuinely a little upset when he was killed.
Totally.
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Actually, on reflection, his death was kind of 'wasted', if that makes sense? Not really sure what the purpose of that little sub-plot was, to be honest. Seems odd to kill off a major character purely so that Urich can die and the blonde chick survive.
Absolutely loved the show though. Loved it.
What if
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Urich isn't dead, but he faked his death so he could pay for his wife's treatment.
Though (I'm so so going to get flamed by this but) I wish this DD were more brooding like the Ben Affleck DD. Not that the BADD movie was good, just that they made him more brooding.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And it just got renewed for a second season, for next year. Sadly Steven DeKnight has a prior commitment so he won't be back to run the show.
Hope it stays as good without him, loved the whole season!
H.B.M.C. wrote: And it just got renewed for a second season, for next year. Sadly Steven DeKnight has a prior commitment so he won't be back to run the show.
I'm holding out hope it has something to do with this.
Take this one with a healthy pinch of salt, as Marvel’s current 60-episode Defenders order will take us through Daredevil, AKA Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron First and The Defenders before even thinking about second seasons, let alone spinoffs. That said, Daredevil boss Steven S. DeKnight offered some interesting comments to SciFiNow, echoing other sentiments that Marvel anti-hero the Punisher would fit well into the “street-level” Netflix world:
"I’ve been a huge fan of the Punisher comics for years. I’d love to see him get his due on a platform like this. Nothing would delight me more than to see the Punisher get his own show and maybe we could convince Marvel to go Hard-R rating. If any character deserves an R rating, it’s the Punisher."
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Well, based on the reveal at the end of episode 7, Punisher and Daredevil will cross over. Most likely with Moon Knight, Luke Cage, and Power Man. Amongst others.
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Sadly he clarified that it was a prior film commitment. Shame.
thedarkavenger wrote: Well, based on the reveal at the end of episode 7, Punisher and Daredevil will cross over. Most likely with Moon Knight, Luke Cage, and Power Man. Amongst others.
What reveal at the end of 7? And where do you pull Moon Knight from?
The only thing revealed at the end of Episode 7 was the guy Stick was talking to, and that was Stone. That's it.
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What reveal at the end of 7? And where do you pull Moon Knight from?
The only thing revealed at the end of Episode 7 was the guy Stick was talking to, and that was Stone. That's it.
Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
What reveal at the end of 7? And where do you pull Moon Knight from?
The only thing revealed at the end of Episode 7 was the guy Stick was talking to, and that was Stone. That's it.
Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
Wolverine won't be. That's one mutant IP Fox will cling to like a liferaft.
Common assumption is they're hinting at K'un Lun (Steel Serpent hinted at with the heroin tag, Gao is assumed to be Crane Mother, the 'doors opening' tease from Stone and the Hand wanting a very specific block from Hells Kitchen), and the Defenders fighting in the tournament.
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thedarkavenger wrote: Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
And 2 + 2 = Pineapple.
The show is not the comics. Just because they have Stone doesn't mean they have the Chaste or any of that. They might, they probably will do some of that, but it does not mean they will or have to.
thedarkavenger wrote: Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
And 2 + 2 = Pineapple.
The show is not the comics. Just because they have Stone doesn't mean they have the Chaste or any of that. They might, they probably will do some of that, but it does not mean they will or have to.
That whole line about daredevil being ready is the entire precursor to Shadowland.
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Requizen wrote: I'm not a comic reader, so maybe I don't know as much about it, but I had one major complaint about the season:
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I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
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That was the point. He's not the Kingpin until the end of the series, when he gives his monologue about the story from the bible. Just as it's an origin story of how Matt transitioned from the Devil if Hells Kitchen into the Daredevil, it's also Fisks transition from a crime lord into the Kingpin.
Requizen wrote: I'm not a comic reader, so maybe I don't know as much about it, but I had one major complaint about the season:
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I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
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That was the point. He's not the Kingpin until the end of the series, when he gives his monologue about the story from the bible. Just as it's an origin story of how Matt transitioned from the Devil if Hells Kitchen into the Daredevil, it's also Fisks transition from a crime lord into the Kingpin.
Late to this thread, but only just finished the season.
Thought it was decidedly meh for the first half, but one character held my attention. I loved Vincent D'Onofrio's interpretation of Wilson Fisk - the social awkwardness hiding his seething rage. It was inspired and justifies some kind of award IMHO.
Glad I stuck with it in the end, as it came into it's own for the last few episodes and now I'm hooked.
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Just got done with the season on Netflix, Loved it!
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DAMN. The series is so good! One of the best series we've seen for a long time, bar Game of Thrones.
We are about halfway in and just recently watched "Sticks". Not a superb episode, we thought that it was a bit over the top and the taser scene was really stupid.
We LOVE the actor who plays Fisk's right hand, however. Amazing actor.
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