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Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known. I had known about regular GW for quite some time before I found out about FW. I think they could definitely sell a lot more models that way.

FW wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. Heck they had to hire a large number of casters just to try and keep up with the HH and stuff still ends up going unavailable now and then when they run out of molds and need to make more.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

It might be time to take out your trash if you still have the original blister pack backings floating around. o.o

Nah, that blister backing had a Sister on it until a few minutes before I took that photo. Someone gave it to me because they bought it years ago and never even opened it. ^^;

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

It might be time to take out your trash if you still have the original blister pack backings floating around. o.o

Nah, that blister backing had a Sister on it until a few minutes before I took that photo. Someone gave it to me because they bought it years ago and never even opened it. ^^;

Fair enough. As long as you don't have ancient trash in your house.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known. I had known about regular GW for quite some time before I found out about FW. I think they could definitely sell a lot more models that way.

FW wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. Heck they had to hire a large number of casters just to try and keep up with the HH and stuff still ends up going unavailable now and then when they run out of molds and need to make more.

From the perspective of GW, I don't see why that's a bad thing to be honest.

Mudhen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known. I had known about regular GW for quite some time before I found out about FW. I think they could definitely sell a lot more models that way.

FW wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. Heck they had to hire a large number of casters just to try and keep up with the HH and stuff still ends up going unavailable now and then when they run out of molds and need to make more.

From the perspective of GW, I don't see why that's a bad thing to be honest.

Pissed off customers is never a good thing. Also the backlog on orders would be way too long for FW to keep stores stocked.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Mudhen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known. I had known about regular GW for quite some time before I found out about FW. I think they could definitely sell a lot more models that way.

FW wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. Heck they had to hire a large number of casters just to try and keep up with the HH and stuff still ends up going unavailable now and then when they run out of molds and need to make more.

From the perspective of GW, I don't see why that's a bad thing to be honest.

Pissed off customers is never a good thing. Also the backlog on orders would be way too long for FW to keep stores stocked.

I think you're under estimating GW's logistical capabilities and overestimating the backlash there would be if FW kits became a little more sought after.

Logistical capabilities don't mean much when the limiting factor is the moulding of the models. There's only so many people working at FW casting the models.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Logistical capabilities don't mean much when the limiting factor is the moulding of the models. There's only so many people working at FW casting the models.

But why does it matter if products go out of stock? Generating revenue is obviously GW's main priority, and if they were able to liquidate FW models quicker by selling them on their site, I don't really see the problem if things went out of stock quicker. They could either leave it as it is, and people would have to wait longer and pay more attention to when things were restocked/added to the store, or they could add more people to the FW team if the stuff was selling like hotcakes.

Why is it a problem if your product continually goes out of stock? Really?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it a problem if your product continually goes out of stock? Really?

Forgeworld is meant to fill a niche in supplying high quality resin kits to more serious modelers/tabletop players and it is not GW's main source of revenue. In my opinion, they have nothing to lose by giving it more exposure on their website. If you'd like to explain your position instead of just resorting to "C'mon, really?" then go a head. Because their are plenty of successful companies that DO generate most of their income from products that only have a limited production run .

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known.

Probably because they don't want some kid getting a Thunderhawk for Christmas, followed shortly by a call from angry parents demanding a refund because there's no way their kid can build a model like that.

Supply and demand.

 Peregrine wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known.

Probably because they don't want some kid getting a Thunderhawk for Christmas, followed shortly by a call from angry parents demanding a refund because there's no way their kid can build a model like that.

LOL. That reminds me of my first significant model -- a Millenium Falcon, when I was 8. It was a BIG kit too (finished, it would have been the size of a large pizza box), with seemingly endless number of parts. There wasn't a hope in hell I could ever have put that together hahahaha.

Yeah, but I bet it didn't cost $600 and require an online tutorial to teach you how to repair all the parts that were defective out of the box.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known. I had known about regular GW for quite some time before I found out about FW. I think they could definitely sell a lot more models that way.

FW wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. Heck they had to hire a large number of casters just to try and keep up with the HH and stuff still ends up going unavailable now and then when they run out of molds and need to make more.

With their increased revenue they'd be able to hire more casters

 Great White wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Mudhen wrote:
What I really want to know is why Games Workshop doesn't sell Forge World products through their own Website which is much more well known. I had known about regular GW for quite some time before I found out about FW. I think they could definitely sell a lot more models that way.

FW wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. Heck they had to hire a large number of casters just to try and keep up with the HH and stuff still ends up going unavailable now and then when they run out of molds and need to make more.

With their increased revenue they'd be able to hire more casters

That's an ass-backwards approach to meeting demand. It's a stupid move to shoot yourself in the foot by doing something you know that would have a negative impact before fixing it.

GW would need a dedicated resin casting division (not team, not department) to handle the molds and casting before starting something like that.

It's interesting how many people seem to think that putting FW in the main site would increase sales to the point of breaking everything.

People who know about GW sufficiently to invest in models at the cost FW charge already know about FW. I doubt the increase in sales would need more than couldn't be catered for with a few hours extra overtime each week or one or two extra staff.


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Assuming they increased at all.

I doubt GW would sell FW models on their site simply because it would ruin GW image of quality models.

FW cant even handle getting their tiny amount of sales correct in terms of quality.

Imagine some parent buying their kid some shadow specters, they would think it was defective given how they come out of the box. Bent out of shape, covered in lubricant and even broken.

I know I wouldn't want to be associated for a company known for that sort of quality and issues.

Bah, give Kirby a couple more months, he'll seize all of FW's HH moulds and have them converted to accept Finecast so it can be distributed through the main GW website at a 20% markup.

Surely, no one would be the wiser, and the difference in quality wouldn't be noticable...

 Stormonu wrote:
Bah, give Kirby a couple more months, he'll seize all of FW's HH moulds and have them converted to accept Finecast so it can be distributed through the main GW website at a 20% markup.

Surely, no one would be the wiser, and the difference in quality wouldn't be noticable...

Well, I think Fine Cast is a bit better than FW resin.. though both suck.

Also Kirby no longer runs the place.... I think...

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Bah, give Kirby a couple more months, he'll seize all of FW's HH moulds and have them converted to accept Finecast so it can be distributed through the main GW website at a 20% markup.

Surely, no one would be the wiser, and the difference in quality wouldn't be noticable...

Well, I think Fine Cast is a bit better than FW resin.. though both suck.

You do?

 Swastakowey wrote:
I doubt GW would sell FW models on their site simply because it would ruin GW image of quality models.

FW cant even handle getting their tiny amount of sales correct in terms of quality.

Imagine some parent buying their kid some shadow specters, they would think it was defective given how they come out of the box. Bent out of shape, covered in lubricant and even broken.

I know I wouldn't want to be associated for a company known for that sort of quality and issues.

Well that is what the kid gets for playing eldar

 Massaen wrote:
For us in Oz - I find the pricing very affordable in most cases compared to GW products.

I only ever order when I get free shipping mind you and am careful to avoid increasing the value of the product over our thresh hold for taxation on imports.

this. I do not mind buying FW at all.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Bah, give Kirby a couple more months, he'll seize all of FW's HH moulds and have them converted to accept Finecast so it can be distributed through the main GW website at a 20% markup.

Surely, no one would be the wiser, and the difference in quality wouldn't be noticable...

Well, I think Fine Cast is a bit better than FW resin.. though both suck.

You do?

Finecast = more brittle, some holes to sometimes fill, some mold lines to shave.

FW Resin = Bucket of warm soapy water to reshape and clean the model, sand paper to make many bits fit, mold lines galore too, some gaps to fill, sometimes brittle sometimes really bendy.

FW Resin has the same problems mostly as Finecast but it also comes with more issues and a huge shipping fee. BUT they both suck.

 Swastakowey wrote:
FW Resin has the same problems mostly as Finecast

Not really. Finecast has a near-100% miscast rate and is a much worse material. If you buy a finecast "model" you're almost guaranteed to get a piece of scrap resin that goes straight into the trash, and in the incredibly unlikely event that it isn't damaged before you get it you'd better treat it like a priceless historical artifact because the slightest bump or stray paintbrush will destroy it. FW has inexcusable quality control issues, but at least you get a legitimate model in the end.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
People who know about GW sufficiently to invest in models at the cost FW charge already know about FW.

Two words: rich parents.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
FW Resin has the same problems mostly as Finecast

Not really. Finecast has a near-100% miscast rate and is a much worse material. If you buy a finecast "model" you're almost guaranteed to get a piece of scrap resin that goes straight into the trash, and in the incredibly unlikely event that it isn't damaged before you get it you'd better treat it like a priceless historical artifact because the slightest bump or stray paintbrush will destroy it. FW has inexcusable quality control issues, but at least you get a legitimate model in the end.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
People who know about GW sufficiently to invest in models at the cost FW charge already know about FW.

Two words: rich parents.

No you are wrong.

When I buy FW I know its gonna be trash 100% of the time.

When I buy Fine Cast at the very least I get a more final product.

FW = over priced rubbish to the extreme. Fine Cast = Sometimes ok.

 Swastakowey wrote:
When I buy FW I know its gonna be trash 100% of the time.

And how much have you bought? I've got a whole FW army and even more kits in the to-do pile and I can tell you that this is simply not correct. Yes, their quality control is inexcusably bad, but the only time I have ever had a model that wasn't useable after getting replacement parts was when they were doing their "we swear it isn't finecast even though it's exactly like finecast" tests. The actual failure rate (beyond minor warping or easy gaps to fill) is about 1-2 parts per kit at most, and the replacement parts are almost always fine. And I'm incredibly picky about this, I'll demand replacements for miscasts that some people would fix themselves.

When I buy Fine Cast at the very least I get a more final product.

If my "final" you mean that you can conclude "this goes in the trash" right away without the false hope of ever getting a model in the end, then sure. But you're never going to get a good one. Even if you miraculously find one without any miscasts despite the near-100% miscast rate (and with miscasts even worse than FW usually allows) the material itself is terrible. It's incredibly soft and crumbles with the slightest amount of pressure, and it can't support any weight. I can't even begin to imagine how you could consider finecast to be an acceptable product when FW is "100% trash".

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
When I buy FW I know its gonna be trash 100% of the time.

And how much have you bought? I've got a whole FW army and even more kits in the to-do pile and I can tell you that this is simply not correct. Yes, their quality control is inexcusably bad, but the only time I have ever had a model that wasn't useable after getting replacement parts was when they were doing their "we swear it isn't finecast even though it's exactly like finecast" tests. The actual failure rate (beyond minor warping) is about 1-2 parts per kit at most, and the replacement parts are almost always fine.

When I buy Fine Cast at the very least I get a more final product.

If my "final" you mean that you can conclude "this goes in the trash" right away without the false hope of ever getting a model in the end, then sure. But you're never going to get a good one. Even if you miraculously find one without any miscasts despite the near-100% miscast rate (and with miscasts even worse than FW usually allows) the material itself is terrible. It's incredibly soft and crumbles with the slightest amount of pressure, and it can't support any weight. I can't even begin to imagine how you could consider finecast to be an acceptable product when FW is "100% trash".

A few flyers, some titans, some guns, many tanks and shadow spectres. All needed more work than should be considered reasonable. In fact, I think getting punisher cannons were the only ones that were slightly ok.

So a fair amount, im not gonna throw money away on an entire money of that junk.

With finecast, I had every aspect warrior box with only a few issues on the striking scorpions. (which admittedly were bad, but not as bad as the shadow specters)

The final result, sold all my FW stuff (last of it being sold this week) and sold all my finecast long ago. All of its crap.

I cant believe you consider FW to be worth spending that much cash on given your opinion on GW standards with rules, especially since their FW product is comparable to their rules effort: Nice and flashy until you buy it and have a closer look.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I cant believe you consider FW to be worth spending that much cash on given your opinion on GW standards with rules, especially since their FW product is comparable to their rules effort: Nice and flashy until you buy it and have a closer look.

The difference is that with FW models I can fix them with a minor amount of effort and have a good product in the end. GW's rules can't be fixed. And honestly, I don't really understand how you think the problems are so bad. I've had to do just as much work on GW plastic kits before they're ready to paint, the only real difference is that FW kits require a longer shipping delay if something is bad enough to need replacing.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I cant believe you consider FW to be worth spending that much cash on given your opinion on GW standards with rules, especially since their FW product is comparable to their rules effort: Nice and flashy until you buy it and have a closer look.

The difference is that with FW models I can fix them with a minor amount of effort and have a good product in the end. GW's rules can't be fixed. And honestly, I don't really understand how you think the problems are so bad. I've had to do just as much work on GW plastic kits before they're ready to paint, the only real difference is that FW kits require a longer shipping delay if something is bad enough to need replacing.

I do agree that FW models are fixable, but I thats no different to Finecast.

I dont understand how you didnt get crap from FW.