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 Wyzilla wrote:
Their tragedy. Sevetar and Talos speak on how were they to come from another world, they would have been champions, potentially the greatest the Imperium ever seen, arbiters of justice dealing retribution as willed. Instead Curze landed on Nostramo, and knew his fate from childhood, along with the fate of his legion and the rest of the Galaxy.

I see, so the fact that they were doomed from beginning by the planet they were from. It's similar to the tragedy of Luther and the Fallen Angels in that he should have been the greatest man of the era but was instead destined to be a distant second merely by the fact that the Lion landed on Caliban (which makes him much more relatable than the Lion). The Lion basically doomed the planet by landing on it. Thanks for sharing!

Btw, somehow the original Night Lords from Terra, the ones born of parents thrown into the lightless underground prison pits somehow sound way more hardcore!

This is tough for me, as most of my favorites are only so post/during heresy
1. Death Guard
2. Luna Wolves
3. Night Lords
4. Iron Hands
5. Space Wolves
6. World Eaters
7. Imperial Fists
8. Iron Warriors
9. Raven Guard
10. Emporer's children
11. Ultramarines
12. Alpha Legion
13. Blood Angels
14. Word Bearers
15. Thousand Sons
16. White Scars
17. Dark Angels
18. Salamanders
roughly.

 Rippy wrote:
This is tough for me, as most of my favorites are only so post/during heresy

Yea, I realise most fluff is from during the Heresy but most of the traitor legions change so drastically, it's hard for them to be considered the same legion.

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
This is tough for me, as most of my favorites are only so post/during heresy

Yea, I realise most fluff is from during the Heresy but most of the traitor legions change so drastically, it's hard for them to be considered the same legion.

yeah I liked this question, because it made me think about it.

 Rippy wrote:
yeah I liked this question, because it made me think about it.

After reading some more FW stuff I was starting to regret I didn't include HH stuff, since there's just way more fluff available. But yea, it does make you think. Thanks for sharing your list!

1/ Death Guard
2/ Alpha Legion
3/ Iron warriors
4/ Imperial Fists
5/ Raven Guard
6/ Blood Angels
7/ Dark Angels
8/ Salamanders
9/ Luna Wolves
10/ Space Wolves
11/ Thousand Sons
12/ Night Lords
13/ Iron Hands
14/ Ultramarines
15/ White Scars
16/ Word Bearers
17/ Emperor's Children
18/ World Eaters

I'm to impatient to list them all but my top 5 are:

1. Thousand suns : Tried do hard to do the right thing, but magnus kept getting screwed over
2. Alpha legion: I find their fluff funny, like trayzin level of dickery, with less stealing
3. salamanders and space wolves: while I dislike the wolves thoughts on psykers (damn you Russ), I like how these two actually care for imperial citizens
4. Death guard: almost everything about them is cool. from giving 0 feths about dying to nurgle to awesome stealthy primarch. even though eh shouldn't be =/
5. Luna Wolves: Pre-fall they were pretty bad ass and cool.

and my bottom 3 are:

1. dark angels: (WORST) traitorous, team killing dicks who kill off fellow astartes to get people, only to loose them seconds later because of their inept edginess. and the fact that lion damned his planet by killing all of the giant warp creatures in the long run. and also murdered chaplains (even if it was for an "eh" reason)
2. Ultramarines: WARD! in all seriousness, probably could me closer to the middle if girlyman was less of a dick to other people
3. Word bearers: because almost everything that went bad, i.e. horus falling, seems to go back to these fanatical dicks.

 Brennonjw wrote:
I'm to impatient to list them all but my top 5 are:

1. Thousand suns : Tried do hard to do the right thing, but magnus kept getting screwed over
2. Alpha legion: I find their fluff funny, like trayzin level of dickery, with less stealing
3. salamanders and space wolves: while I dislike the wolves thoughts on psykers (damn you Russ), I like how these two actually care for imperial citizens
4. Death guard: almost everything about them is cool. from giving 0 feths about dying to nurgle to awesome stealthy primarch. even though eh shouldn't be =/
5. Luna Wolves: Pre-fall they were pretty bad ass and cool.

and my bottom 3 are:

1. dark angels: (WORST) traitorous, team killing dicks who kill off fellow astartes to get people, only to loose them seconds later because of their inept edginess. and the fact that lion damned his planet by killing all of the giant warp creatures in the long run. and also murdered chaplains (even if it was for an "eh" reason)
2. Ultramarines: WARD! in all seriousness, probably could me closer to the middle if girlyman was less of a dick to other people
3. Word bearers: because almost everything that went bad, i.e. horus falling, seems to go back to these fanatical dicks.

Unremembered Empire actually paints the Ultramarines in a completely different light.

Turned me from a space smurf hater to a reluctant fan.

Agreed. Rereading it currently, I really like Guilliman. He's actually rather humble.

I can give you a top three, certainly, I haven't thought about it much.

1: Dark Angels
2: Thousand Sons
3: Salamanders

The list is made I figured I would add the other missing primarchs cause Dark angels really don't deserve to be number 18.


1. Salamanders
2. Space Wolves
3. Raven guard
4. Imperial fist
5. Thousand Sons
6. Iron hands
7. Iron warriors
8. White scares
9. Ultramarines
10. Blood angels
11. Death guard
12. Night lords
13. World eaters
14. Lunar wolves
15. Blood Angels
16. Emperors children
17. Word bearers
18. Unknown
19. Unknown
20.Dark Angels (They are just the worst)

 Brennonjw wrote:
1. dark angels: (WORST) traitorous, team killing dicks who kill off fellow astartes to get people, only to loose them seconds later because of their inept edginess.

Aren't you mixing in 40k stuff? There's no chasing the Fallen before the Heresy. Anyway, thanks for sharing guys but don't forget what I wrote in my OP. Course you're free to do what you want but I'd prefer if you guys stick to it so we can keep the lists focused.

 EngulfedObject wrote:
Simply rank all the Legions (pre-Heresy, not counting the two unknown legions) according to your personal preference. You can explain your reasoning if you want to as long as you rank them all. Keep in mind that this is strictly 30k and pre-Heresy.

And yea, Guilliman is actually alright in Unremembered Empire. It's worth reading for the interaction between him and the Lion but I do think things go downhill fast once Curze joins in and starts flipping over Land Raiders. Altogether it's actually quite disjointed and almost DBZ-like at times. I don't really get why Descent of Angels has such a bad rep when you have novels like this in the series.

I also think I might have to downgrade the Emperor's Children in my list. I recently read Fulgrim and didn't like them at all. All the stuff I read before was from the Index Astartes and wikis. Oh well, they still look glorious.

Oh I like this thread, super interesting seeing people's preferences as a whole

1. Thousand Sons
2. Death Guard
3. World Eaters
4. Alpha Legion
5. Night Lords
6. Iron Warriors
7. Dark Angels
8. White Scars
9. Salamanders
10. Blood Angels
11. Imperial Fists
12. Raven Guard
13. Luna Wolves (Sons of Horus)
14. Iron Hands
15. Space Wolves
16. Ultramarines
17. Emperor’s Children
18. Word Bearers

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:
Oh I like this thread, super interesting seeing people's preferences as a whole

Yea, I was super curious about some of the more frequent posters on this forum, I just had to see their lists

Glad other people find it interesting too. Thanks for sharing!

And poor Word Bearers, it seems like they were rather bland before the Heresy though what's mentioned in the FW series is really interesting. The rather boring granite color scheme doesn't really help either, though I love their look once they turn heretic (well at least what they look like in the FW series). Got to read The First Heretic soon! I hear it's the best in the series!

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:
Oh I like this thread, super interesting seeing people's preferences as a whole

Yea, I was super curious about some of the more frequent posters on this forum, I just had to see their lists

Glad other people find it interesting too. Thanks for sharing!

And poor Word Bearers, it seems like they were rather bland before the Heresy though what's mentioned in the FW series is really interesting. The rather boring granite color scheme doesn't really help either, though I love their look once they turn heretic (well at least what they look like in the FW series). Got to read The First Heretic soon! I hear it's the best in the series!

First Heretic and Aurelian are both belters, well worth the reading. ADB's handling of them really fleshes the legion out and makes it awesome!

They do get a bit comedy-chaos though in the Calth series of books, and I basically loathe Erebus - he's too close to the one-dimensional chaos boogie-man to be effective anymore

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:
First Heretic and Aurelian are both belters, well worth the reading. ADB's handling of them really fleshes the legion out and makes it awesome!

They do get a bit comedy-chaos though in the Calth series of books, and I basically loathe Erebus - he's too close to the one-dimensional chaos boogie-man to be effective anymore

Yea, I actually really enjoy his writing except when he's writing from the DA's perspective. They were pretty one-dimensional in Macragge's Honour (well it was really short) and getting slaughtered most of the time but they were still kinda badass.

Btw which one should I read first? Aurelian or The First Heretic?

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:
First Heretic and Aurelian are both belters, well worth the reading. ADB's handling of them really fleshes the legion out and makes it awesome!

They do get a bit comedy-chaos though in the Calth series of books, and I basically loathe Erebus - he's too close to the one-dimensional chaos boogie-man to be effective anymore

Yea, I actually really enjoy his writing except when he's writing from the DA's perspective. They were pretty one-dimensional in Macragge's Honour (well it was really short) and getting slaughtered most of the time but they were still kinda badass.

Btw which one should I read first? Aurelian or The First Heretic?

Read First Heretic, then Aurelian. Aurelian takes place during First Heretic, but it's better to know what's happening in a wider context

 Dark Lord Seanron wrote:
Read First Heretic, then Aurelian. Aurelian takes place during First Heretic, but it's better to know what's happening in a wider context

Awesome, thanks!

First Heretic is maybe my favourite HH novel. I didn't like the WB before that and now they're one of the legions I'm planning on doing. I need to read Aurelian still.

I dunno if I'm one of the more frequent posters you were curious about (probably egotistical to even think I am haha) but figured I should finally do a list:
1. Ultramarines
2. Alpha Legion
3. White Scars
4. Word Bearers
5. Night Lords
6. Raven Guard
7. Iron Warriors
8. Sons of Horus
9. Death Guard
10. Space Wolves
11. World Eaters
12. Blood Angels
13.Thousand Sons
14. Salamanders
15. Iron Hands
16. Emperors Children (love the way they look though)
17. Imperial Fists
18. Dark Angels

It probably would change were I to do it again haha. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, it was very difficult.

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
1. dark angels: (WORST) traitorous, team killing dicks who kill off fellow astartes to get people, only to loose them seconds later because of their inept edginess.

Aren't you mixing in 40k stuff? There's no chasing the Fallen before the Heresy. Anyway, thanks for sharing guys but don't forget what I wrote in my OP. Course you're free to do what you want but I'd prefer if you guys stick to it so we can keep the lists focused.

1. White Scars
2.Salamanders
3.Night Lords
4. Alpha Legion
5.Death Guard
6. Raven Guard
7.Thousand Sons
8.Iron Warriors
9. World Eaters
10. Blood Angels
11. Word Bearers
12.Sons of Horus
13. Space Wolfs
14. Dark Angels
15.Emperor's Children
16.Imperial Fist
17.Ultramarines
18.Iron Hands

 ImAGeek wrote:
First Heretic is maybe my favourite HH novel. I didn't like the WB before that and now they're one of the legions I'm planning on doing. I need to read Aurelian still.

I dunno if I'm one of the more frequent posters you were curious about (probably egotistical to even think I am haha) but figured I should finally do a list:

Spoiler:

1. Ultramarines
2. Alpha Legion
3. White Scars
4. Word Bearers
5. Night Lords
6. Raven Guard
7. Iron Warriors
8. Sons of Horus
9. Death Guard
10. Space Wolves
11. World Eaters
12. Blood Angels
13.Thousand Sons
14. Salamanders
15. Iron Hands
16. Emperors Children (love the way they look though)
17. Imperial Fists
18. Dark Angels

It probably would change were I to do it again haha. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, it was very difficult.

You are indeed, brother!

We were involved in a lot of the same threads discussing the Guilliman, the Dark Angels, and so on so I was curious. I didn't think the DA were your least favorite though! I complain a lot more about the Ultramarines than you do about the DA and they're in the middle of my list. What makes you dislike them so much compared to more one dimensional legions like the World Eaters?

 Brennonjw wrote:
Lion decapitated one of his chaplains for trying to enforce the "no psykers" rule. both defying the emperor, even if the rule was dumb, AND killing an astartes for doing his job. and I know most of their stupid comes after the heresy, but even pre and during the heresy they were just plain dumb. Lion putting more effort to monitor guilliman and be pouty that he wasn't helping instead of actually helping terra himself.

Fair enough. I think the Lion was quite reasonable in Unremembred Empire though. He took some basic precautions and Guilliman admits he would have done the same. Both were unsure as to whose side the other was on. They're actually quite similar to one another in that they always think strategically. And I think they're stubborn and a bit extreme, not dumb. But fair enough.

And I think old fluff indicates he didn't make it to Terra because he was traveling with Russ and Russ wanted to pacify worlds on the way. Sanguinius was on Macragge as well so obviously the Lion wasn't the only one concerned.

 Gallia_Comata wrote:

Spoiler:

1. White Scars
2.Salamanders
3.Night Lords
4. Alpha Legion
5.Death Guard
6. Raven Guard
7.Thousand Sons
8.Iron Warriors
9. World Eaters
10. Blood Angels
11. Word Bearers
12.Sons of Horus
13. Space Wolfs
14. Dark Angels
15.Emperor's Children
16.Imperial Fist
17.Ultramarines
18.Iron Hands

White Scars number 1! And Salamanders up there as well. Interesting! Thanks for sharing!

so much Space wolf Hate ;P


1. Alpha Legion (I love everything about them)
2. Space Wolves: Something about the Rout is what drew me in, and kept me on em
3. Salamanders
4 Luna Wolves
5 Ultramarines
6 Whitescars
7 Iron Hands
8 Raven Guard
9 Thousand Sons (I always felt bad they got so mistreated but I do blame horus for their untimely demise)
10 Iron Warrior
11 Night Lords
12 Blood Angels (I hate Sanguinus for existing)
13 War Hounds
14 Dark Angels (angsty and imo personification of 2edgy4u)
15 Emperor's Children
16 Imperial Fists (Just so damn generic, almost as bad as modern smurfs)
17 Word Bearers (whiny, perfectionist and religious)
18 Death Guard (no opinion just don't know enough)

 EngulfedObject wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
First Heretic is maybe my favourite HH novel. I didn't like the WB before that and now they're one of the legions I'm planning on doing. I need to read Aurelian still.

I dunno if I'm one of the more frequent posters you were curious about (probably egotistical to even think I am haha) but figured I should finally do a list:

Spoiler:

1. Ultramarines
2. Alpha Legion
3. White Scars
4. Word Bearers
5. Night Lords
6. Raven Guard
7. Iron Warriors
8. Sons of Horus
9. Death Guard
10. Space Wolves
11. World Eaters
12. Blood Angels
13.Thousand Sons
14. Salamanders
15. Iron Hands
16. Emperors Children (love the way they look though)
17. Imperial Fists
18. Dark Angels

It probably would change were I to do it again haha. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, it was very difficult.

You are indeed, brother!

We were involved in a lot of the same threads discussing the Guilliman, the Dark Angels, and so on so I was curious. I didn't think the DA were your least favorite though! I complain a lot more about the Ultramarines than you do about the DA and they're in the middle of my list. What makes you dislike them so much compared to more one dimensional legions like the World Eaters?

Well, I rather like the World Eaters after Betrayer (I'm noticing a pattern of suddenly quite liking a legion after I've read ADB write them...), and I've always found tha DA rather boring. However, I don't massively dislike any of the legions, there isn't much of a gap between my number 1 and number 18 if you get what I mean, (I quite like the Salamanders lately, and they're 14 on my list, although I prefer the more African tribe feel to the whole fireeeee! Thing) and imagine once FW write the DA I'll end up liking them. To be honest thinking about it I probably dislike the Emperors Children the most, but I really like the way they look and their FW models (Kakophoni, Palatine Blades, Phoenix Guard) so that pushed them up a little bit.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Well, I rather like the World Eaters after Betrayer (I'm noticing a pattern of suddenly quite liking a legion after I've read ADB write them...), and I've always found tha DA rather boring. However, I don't massively dislike any of the legions, there isn't much of a gap between my number 1 and number 18 if you get what I mean, (I quite like the Salamanders lately, and they're 14 on my list, although I prefer the more African tribe feel to the whole fireeeee! Thing) and imagine once FW write the DA I'll end up liking them. To be honest thinking about it I probably dislike the Emperors Children the most, but I really like the way they look and their FW models (Kakophoni, Palatine Blades, Phoenix Guard) so that pushed them up a little bit.

Hmm, I tend to find the Ultramarines a lot more boring but still more interesting than some of the other legions, mainly because they're featured a lot more (like in Macragge's Honour, in which they look pretty awesome). But yea, I don't really dislike any of the legions either and yea, I like the Emperor's Children almost solely because of their look.

And yea, the DA don't have any FW stuff yet. They look so friggin badass in their depictions in HH:Visions though.

I really like the UM since KNF and UE. Mostly I think I really like Guilliman, but they could've been really boring and I think they're pretty cool. The Theoretical/Practical thing they do is a nice hint into their thought process, and I'm looking forward to seeing more info about the 500 worlds.

I imagine the FW models for the DA will be pretty awesome. I don't like their models in 40k really, the whole robed monk thing doesn't really do it for me, but if they go with the more knightly feel ill probably quite like em. Also with them being the first legion, I hope FW goes into the very early days of the Astartes, I'm hoping theres some big grisly secrets from the early part of the great crusade.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I really like the UM since KNF and UE. Mostly I think I really like Guilliman, but they could've been really boring and I think they're pretty cool. The Theoretical/Practical thing they do is a nice hint into their thought process, and I'm looking forward to seeing more info about the 500 worlds.

I imagine the FW models for the DA will be pretty awesome. I don't like their models in 40k really, the whole robed monk thing doesn't really do it for me, but if they go with the more knightly feel ill probably quite like em. Also with them being the first legion, I hope FW goes into the very early days of the Astartes, I'm hoping theres some big grisly secrets from the early part of the great crusade.

Ehh, the robed warrior monk thing does it for me , I hope that's the look they go with. It's more of a sinister crusader look rather than a pure "knight" look. Like this:


ooohhh yeaaahhh

And I dunno, my problem with the Ultramarines is that Macragge and the 500 worlds always seemed too "clean" and perfect to me. I like that for the DA, life has always been an unceasing struggle for survival, first against the Great Beasts, and now against Chaos and themselves.

Imperial Fists
Ultramarines
Emperor's Children
Sons of Horus
Dark Angels
Raven Guard
Iron Warriors
Iron Hands
Death Guard
Word Bearers
Space Wolves
Blood Angels
White Scars
Salamanders
Alpha Legion
Thousand sons
Night Lords
World Eaters