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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Myliel wrote:
Black Templars really are kindred spirits with Battle Sisters, unlike most other chapters including Grey Knights, the BT do NOT even have a librarius, do not use other psykers other than navigators / astropaths, whom they keep chained / sedated / caged ("black boxed") at all times anyway, they abhor any kind of mutation, all xenos, etc.

Not anymore. Now the Black Templars just hate xenos psykers, and are okay with the Imperial ones, and the only reason they don't have Librarians is that all of theirs died out.


Of course, I wouldn't blame anyone who thought that retcon was kinda silly. But the old Black Templars who hated all psykers didn't really get along with the Eclessiarchy all that well (or, any better than anyone else) because they believed the Emperor was awesome, but not that he was an actual God, so the Eclessiarchy's dogma was antithetical to their own. Old Black Templars were "Desperate Allies" with the Sisters of Battle because the two sides were modeled Protestants and Catholics in British history.

The BT have always believed the Emperor was Divine..........thats the whole point of them being slightly different to the average Chapter.

Some people used the 6th Ed Allies Matrix to try and create a new fiction where these two Imperial forces had enimity above and beyond any others in the Imperium - but this was not supported by any [i]other fluff actually published by GW - in fact completely the opposite - the only references to the Black Templars and the Adepta Sororitas was when they joined together against the foes of the Imperium - there is Absolutey nothing about conflict between the two forces - Nothing - so no idea where this fantasy actually came from - it wasn't GW.

The real retcon seems to be the size fo the Black Templars - now they seem to be about normal Chapter size so no need for investigation into force size - apparently that has been taken over by the Dark Angels............... I must admit I prefered that the BT were a vast force spread across the galaxy - but even the Inquisition considering them above suspicion.

Mr Morden wrote:The BT have always believed the Emperor was Divine..........thats the whole point of them being slightly different to the average Chapter.

No they didn't. This is just a common player misconception that has become myth via repetition.

Sigismund was chosen for his "fervent faith in the Emperor and his undying devotion to Mankind." Except Sigismund had actually met the Emperor and lived in his time.

The Black Templars were religious themed. They weren't actually religious in the manner of worshipping the Emperor any more than the normal practice of a Space Marine chapter cult. The Black Templars believed the Emperor was still alive, but would choose to speak to them through their visions. There are no mentions anywhere in the original Templars codex books (including Armageddon) of the Templars actually having faith in the Emperor as a God. In fact, there's no mention of them being any different from other Space Marine chapters in their beliefs, only in their fanaticism. Remember, every Chapter has chaplains, and treats its wargear and weapons and the Emperor with reverence and superstition. That's the whole 40K schtick. The Black Templars ones are merely more fanatical than even the fanatics. You won't any references to the "God Emperor" in the Black Templars books like you do in the Sisters books. Only references to how the Black Templars remain "true to the Emperor's vision of the Great Crusade." In fact, the books repeatedly stress just how set the Black Templars are in their way of doing things, and their way of doing things is older than old school. People get carried away with the crusade references and likening them to the historical Christian Crusades, failing to recognize that the greatest crusade of them all in 40K, the Great Crusade, was not a religious undertaking.

Most of the objections to the 5th Edition ally matrix were derived from the fact that there were conflicting items of fluff out there. But the Black Templars were originally no more believing in the divinity of the Emperor than the Codex Astartes being some kind of If A, Then B instruction manual for dummies. These were failures of subsequent writers to portray a consistent vision of the universe, which leads to player confusion, and varying head-canons. There's no mention of the Sisters of Battle in the original account of the Battle of Helsreach and Armageddon, for example. Grimaldus just goes there to rescue some relics of the Emperor. The only time the Templars and Sororitas are brought together is in the presence of an Inquistor. In fact, the language in the Space Marines codex books is pretty close to the language in the Black Templars codex books.

The bottom line is this is born of selective reading. People think the chapter is religious because of the Templar and Crusades themes, and then read all the rest of the language used in there looking to validate that belief.

Myliel wrote:

Da Butcha wrote:
While I do agree that the BT and the Red Hunters would work very well with Sisters of Battle, there would also be a good possibility for cooperation with those chapters who share a belief in the Divinity of the Emperor. I don't have a complete list, but I think that the White Consuls, at least, are noted as regarding the Emperor as a god. While the BT beliefs mesh very, very well with the Sororitas, I think a mutual faith in the divine Emperor would 'grease the wheels' of co-operation substantially (and it gives you other modeling opportunities).

I would have to disagree about the Red Hunters, SoB and the Ecclesiarchy as a whole have had quite a few clashes with the inquisition in the past, and at the best of times have a healthy distrust for 99% of the inquisitors. Besides they consider that they (the imperial clergy) are the true bearers of the truth and the inquisition should not question it.

The Sisters of Battle were, until this edition, the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus. The Sisters work *very* well with the Inquisition.

 troa wrote:
The better question is are there any chapters they would NOT work with, and I think the answer is generally "they would work with just about any chapter, as IG would"

Dark Angels and their successor chapters. Sneaky gits, the lot of them, willing to wipe out anyone who threatens to expose their little secret. Not a good combination with a group that considers it their duty to investigate other branches of the Imperium armed forces for purity, and has already purged chapters before for being found wanting. I imagine the DA and their successors would try to avoid working with Sororitas wherever possible.

Also, Space Wolves. Unorthodox, unapologetically pagan in their spiritual beliefs, issues with authority, basically the opposite of everything Battle Sisters are supposed to be (aside from a shared dislike of psykers, except the SW's USE psykers re-branded pagan-style as 'Rune Priests'). Again, not a great combination.

Not that an alliance with one of those chapters is IMPOSSIBLE. If the chips were down, they'd still fight together to protect the Imperium.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:The BT have always believed the Emperor was Divine..........thats the whole point of them being slightly different to the average Chapter.

No they didn't. This is just a common player misconception that has become myth via repetition.

Sigismund was chosen for his "fervent faith in the Emperor and his undying devotion to Mankind." Except Sigismund had actually met the Emperor and lived in his time.

The Black Templars were religious themed. They weren't actually religious in the manner of worshipping the Emperor any more than the normal practice of a Space Marine chapter cult. The Black Templars believed the Emperor was still alive, but would choose to speak to them through their visions. There are no mentions anywhere in the original Templars codex books (including Armageddon) of the Templars actually having faith in the Emperor as a God. In fact, there's no mention of them being any different from other Space Marine chapters in their beliefs, only in their fanaticism. Remember, every Chapter has chaplains, and treats its wargear and weapons and the Emperor with reverence and superstition. That's the whole 40K schtick. The Black Templars ones are merely more fanatical than even the fanatics. You won't any references to the "God Emperor" in the Black Templars books like you do in the Sisters books. Only references to how the Black Templars remain "true to the Emperor's vision of the Great Crusade." In fact, the books repeatedly stress just how set the Black Templars are in their way of doing things, and their way of doing things is older than old school. People get carried away with the crusade references and likening them to the historical Christian Crusades, failing to recognize that the greatest crusade of them all in 40K, the Great Crusade, was not a religious undertaking.

Most of the objections to the 5th Edition ally matrix were derived from the fact that there were conflicting items of fluff out there. But the Black Templars were originally no more believing in the divinity of the Emperor than the Codex Astartes being some kind of If A, Then B instruction manual for dummies. These were failures of subsequent writers to portray a consistent vision of the universe, which leads to player confusion, and varying head-canons. There's no mention of the Sisters of Battle in the original account of the Battle of Helsreach and Armageddon, for example. Grimaldus just goes there to rescue some relics of the Emperor. The only time the Templars and Sororitas are brought together is in the presence of an Inquistor. In fact, the language in the Space Marines codex books is pretty close to the language in the Black Templars codex books.

The bottom line is this is born of selective reading. People think the chapter is religious because of the Templar and Crusades themes, and then read all the rest of the language used in there looking to validate that belief.

Codex Armegeddon specifically lists the Sororitas on Armegeddon - gives the two Orders on planet - Our Matryed Lady and Argent Shroud - check the order of battle on the last page.

There is no specific GW fluff that ever list the BT in conflict with the Sororitas - at least none I can find in all the various Codexes etc - can you show me actual GW background info that singled out the Sororitas to be in direct conflict with them rather than with other known dubious or even posisbily heretical Chapters such as the Space Wolves.

Black Library took the same background as us of a Relegious Chapter and expanded upon it - notably in Helsreach and GW have agreed and done the same in the most recent Space Marines Codex where it specfically states this as well as their good relationship with the Sororitas - there is zero evidence to the contary in any official material that I can find in my pretty extensive GW collection.

IMO thematically Dark Angels and Sisters go well together. Battle monks and battle nuns are very fitting, I've even thought about maybe getting a SOB force after making a Dark Angels force if they ever get plastic models (and hopefully ditch that boobplate).

As to Space Wolves, it's a bit difficult to side with ladies who believe the Emperor a God when your senile old dread keeps wittering on about how he and the big E used to smoke a doobie round the back of the thunderwolf sheds...

WarGamerGirl wrote:
Thanks, very helpful. I had always thought Black Templar would be the best match, but after seeing that in 6th they were "desperate allies" I just assumed there was some bad history between them.

By the way, I have read both of the Sisters novels. I liked Hammer & Anvil the best. I felt bad for poor Decima =(

Aside from VS's point, they do have some bad blood in that the Templars were one of the four chapters whose backsides were repeatedly kicked by the organisation from which the original Battle Sisters were recruited.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

WarGamerGirl wrote:
Thanks, very helpful. I had always thought Black Templar would be the best match, but after seeing that in 6th they were "desperate allies" I just assumed there was some bad history between them.

By the way, I have read both of the Sisters novels. I liked Hammer & Anvil the best. I felt bad for poor Decima =(

Aside from VS's point, they do have some bad blood in that the Templars were one of the four chapters whose backsides were repeatedly kicked by the organisation from which the original Battle Sisters were recruited.

Not sure about that - they do have a banner that remembers this - also the Sororitas themselves are pretty unhappy about that whole period as well....................given they were duped into being bodyguard/enforcers/playthings by Vandire.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Black Library took the same background as us of a Relegious Chapter and expanded upon it - notably in Helsreach and GW have agreed and done the same in the most recent Space Marines Codex where it specfically states this as well as their good relationship with the Sororitas - there is zero evidence to the contary in any official material that I can find in my pretty extensive GW collection.

Fanatically believing in something doesnt require a god. Also, just because somebody is religious doesnt mean he gets along with another religious person (as history has proven time and time again...)

The Sororitas feel guilty for fighting the wrong way. The Templars are smarting from being beaten up by a bunch of measly, unenhanced humans.

 Keep wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Black Library took the same background as us of a Relegious Chapter and expanded upon it - notably in Helsreach and GW have agreed and done the same in the most recent Space Marines Codex where it specfically states this as well as their good relationship with the Sororitas - there is zero evidence to the contary in any official material that I can find in my pretty extensive GW collection.

Fanatically believing in something doesnt require a god. Also, just because somebody is religious doesnt mean he gets along with another religious person (as history has proven time and time again...)

That's not the point I am making at all and I never said the BT and the AS were best friends - but unlike the poorly executed Allies matrix they don't find the BT the MOST objectionable potential Imperial ally - in fact as objectionable as Xenos creatures? Really?

As I stated - there is to my knowledge ZERO actual GW background information to support this singling out of the BT as the marines the AS hate - quite the opposite. The new SM codex clears this up in a completely clear fashion.

Whiskey144 wrote:
Also, citation for the Black Templars keeping their Navigator/Astropath complements 'black boxed' at all times? I was under the impression- from the current 6th edition Marine codex- that the BT had a measure of respect for their Navigator/Astropath complements, due in part to a tacit admission that those roles are absolutely vital for them to keep crusading away.

The Navigator's area of a starship are off-limits even to the Captain of the ship, unless the Navigator invites him. The Astropath(s) also have their own areas which probably are easy to keep locked for all kinds of security reasons. If the Black Templars do anything at all it is ask the psykers to not leave their quarters without an escort of sturdy Marines, a good reason and a calm mind.

While unlikely allies the space wolves in the Blood of Asaheim novel team up with the sisters. They start off as you'd imagine not liking each other but soon enough they were bffs (sort of). Most chapters wouldn't flat out refuses to fight with sisters however many are annoyed with how zealous they are.
The only person who I can't see them working with are mechcanicus, they are state sponsored Heretics

chazz huggins wrote:
While unlikely allies the space wolves in the Blood of Asaheim novel team up with the sisters. They start off as you'd imagine not liking each other but soon enough they were bffs (sort of). Most chapters wouldn't flat out refuses to fight with sisters however many are annoyed with how zealous they are.
The only person who I can't see them working with are mechcanicus, they are state sponsored Heretics

The relationship between the Mechanicus and the Minisitorium / Sororitas is a bit like the Astartes - they have to work with them as they still supply the gears of war and peace and its never been made clear who services the Sororities equipment - attached Mechancius Tech Priests etc or their own units similar to Techmarines - both have issues.

The Sororitas will always stand with the Imperium (in which they would include the Mechanicum) against the Xenos, the Traitor and Deamon.

Sensible leaders on both sides (same with Astartes/Sororitas team ups) may order that their troops refrain from provoking the other side but this is likely to happen given the nature and beliefs of the two parties. The best time for all will be during combat

Found my list of Emperor-worshipping/Imperial Creed-believing Space Marine Chapters:

The Fire Hawks are one, prior to becoming the LotD, having been one of the first to the fight during the Age of Apostasy, in support of Sebastian Thor (and did, in fact, get awarded a Heresy-era Battle Barge by him, iirc, as Vandire had destroyed their homeworld). (IA v9, C:UM 2E, WH40K Comp, WD 99, C:Assassins 3E)

The Adulators were mentioned in a Chapter Approved article, of which it is said (according to Lexicanum) "The chapter is steeped in the ways of the Ecclesiarchy and are on close terms with their holy orders". (Chapter Approved 2001, Blood of Asaheim(BL) )

The Angels Revenant were said to be "stern supporters of the Imperial Creed". (Chapter Approved 2001, IA v12)

The White Consuls also worship the Emperor as a god, which is noted for being unusual for the Astartes. (WH40K BRB 5E, C:UM, C: EoT, DW: Rites of Battle, C: SM 6E ebook)

The Doom Eagles are "notoriously pious". (DW: Honour the Chapter, Legends of the Space Marines anthology, several BL novels/stories)

The Fire Angels (a UM Successor) are zealously dedicated to the Creed. Of them, it is said, "they do not revere their ancestral primarch (Roboute Guilliman) as most chapters do, believing this to be a form of idolatry". (IA v9)

The Red Scorpions, who developed the Helios-pattern Land Raider, are seriously in the Emp-worshipping camp. (IA v4, v6, v7, v9, WD 101, WD 105)

And then there are the Storm Wardens, from FFG's Deathwatch RPG. Not a GW Chapter, obviously, but one more for the pile.

One can make arguments for the Angels Resplendent/Angels Penitent, the Brazen Skulls, the Celebrants, the Crimson Fists, the Templars of Blood, and the Novamarines, though these Chapters are not outright said to worship the God-Emperor (but elements to what lore there is about them suggests such an arrangement)

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But the old Black Templars who hated all psykers didn't really get along with the Eclessiarchy all that well (or, any better than anyone else) because they believed the Emperor was awesome, but not that he was an actual God

As far as I know, there were people interpreting it both way, but there never was any definite quote saying “The Black Templar view the Emperor as a god” or “The Black Templar deny the Emperor's divinity”.
In a pure GW fashion .

 WarGamerGirl wrote:
Have there been any Black Library references of marines working together with Sisters? Any mention of it in the lore (other than the Grey Knight atrocity)?

We have Salamanders + Sisters in the dex, Blood of Asaheim with wolves (but it is an atrocity worse than the GK one), Helsreach wit BT.

Mr Morden wrote:Codex Armegeddon specifically lists the Sororitas on Armegeddon - gives the two Orders on planet - Our Matryed Lady and Argent Shroud - check the order of battle on the last page.

Okay, good. Now tell me what that has to do with the Black Templars fluff about Helsreach and the battle at the shrine.

There were Space Wolves and Marines Malevolent, as well as Armageddon Ork Hunters on the planet too. Were they all at Helsreach and the shrine too?

Like I said. The original fluff for those two battles included no references to the Sisters of Battle, nor to any motivation for the Templars beyond "There are relics of the Emperor there, and we need to go get them."

 Keep wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Black Library took the same background as us of a Relegious Chapter and expanded upon it - notably in Helsreach and GW have agreed and done the same in the most recent Space Marines Codex where it specfically states this as well as their good relationship with the Sororitas - there is zero evidence to the contary in any official material that I can find in my pretty extensive GW collection.

Fanatically believing in something doesnt require a god. Also, just because somebody is religious doesnt mean he gets along with another religious person (as history has proven time and time again...)

Exactly.

The Black Templars and Sisters of Battle are the two least tolerant factions in the game. Whatever would make anyone think that would make them tolerant of eachother despite fundamental differences in belief?

The new SM codex clears this up in a completely clear fashion.

The word you were looking for was not "clears". The word you were looking for was "retcons".

And Black Templars fans didn't seem too overly pleased about the changes. And I don't blame them. It's silly. The changes to the Ally Matrix were more in line with 7th Editions "Let them play whatever" philosophy, than a realignment of the game rules to fit in with the fluff.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
But the old Black Templars who hated all psykers didn't really get along with the Eclessiarchy all that well (or, any better than anyone else) because they believed the Emperor was awesome, but not that he was an actual God

As far as I know, there were people interpreting it both way, but there never was any definite quote saying “The Black Templar view the Emperor as a god” or “The Black Templar deny the Emperor's divinity”.
In a pure GW fashion .

Was there any?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:Codex Armegeddon specifically lists the Sororitas on Armegeddon - gives the two Orders on planet - Our Matryed Lady and Argent Shroud - check the order of battle on the last page.

Okay, good. Now tell me what that has to do with the Black Templars fluff about Helsreach and the battle at the shrine.

There were Space Wolves and Marines Malevolent, as well as Armageddon Ork Hunters on the planet too. Were they all at Helsreach and the shrine too?

Like I said. The original fluff for those two battles included no references to the Sisters of Battle, nor to any motivation for the Templars beyond "There are relics of the Emperor there, and we need to go get them."

 Keep wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Black Library took the same background as us of a Relegious Chapter and expanded upon it - notably in Helsreach and GW have agreed and done the same in the most recent Space Marines Codex where it specfically states this as well as their good relationship with the Sororitas - there is zero evidence to the contary in any official material that I can find in my pretty extensive GW collection.

Fanatically believing in something doesnt require a god. Also, just because somebody is religious doesnt mean he gets along with another religious person (as history has proven time and time again...)

Exactly.

The Black Templars and Sisters of Battle are the two least tolerant factions in the game. Whatever would make anyone think that would make them tolerant of eachother despite fundamental differences in belief?

The new SM codex clears this up in a completely clear fashion.

The word you were looking for was not "clears". The word you were looking for was "retcons".

And Black Templars fans didn't seem too overly pleased about the changes. And I don't blame them. It's silly. The changes to the Ally Matrix were more in line with 7th Editions "Let them play whatever" philosophy, than a realignment of the game rules to fit in with the fluff.

There's no mention of the Sisters of Battle in the original account of the Battle of Helsreach and Armageddon,

I was replying to that specifc statement of yours that seemed to imply that the Sororitas were not on the planet - I also don't think its unreasonable to suggest that there were Sororitas at the most important Religious building on the Planet?

I asked if you had any specfricis of a difficult relationship between the AS and the BT that was a bad as those they might have with Xenos witches?

So no you can;t find anything and are resorting to speculation about how two different groups of believers interact with Zero evidence to back it up? You keep making things up that GW have never stated - they have now clarified it so we can be certain of their intent and it contradicts nothing that has gone before so can;t be a retcon - again can you show me where it said ANY of things you are claiming?

No as you well know BT fans tend to be unhappy about being rolled into the main codex - or is it only those who have your specific views (which are without any GW support mind you) that are truye BT fans?

Lots of us said the Ally Matrix was silly in 6th Ed - apparently you are alone in thinking thing the current version is................. anyone else ever said the same?

The Sisters were, apparently, all busy getting killed to a woman defending the Sanctorum of St. Katherine at Hive Tempestora, in the case of the three companies of Martyred Lady sisters deployed, or being murdered by Flesh Tearers on the Fire Plains in the case of four of the seven companies of Argent Shroud who were deployed to the planet.

Apparently, there were a handful of Argent Shroud Sisters defending the Temple at Helsreach, but they were only mentioned as an aside in the novel since, obviously, they're not as important as Grimaldus.

@Furyou Miko

I knew about the «incident» of the Flesh Tearers, but at my surprise, the Lexicanum state that the Sisters of the Argent Shroud were not killed by the Flesh Tearer, but withdrew rather then fight their allies (the Militia were not so lucky thow). They then reclamed the destruction of the Flesh Tearers and attack them on sight when they can. It's perhapse the only Chapter the Sororitas would never allied with on any circomstances.

In the original fluff, the Sisters were killed. In the newer Flesh Tearer fluff, they changed it, possibly because to move away from a reputation of putting women in fridges, possibly to make the FTs more heroic for their special release.

epronovost wrote:
@Furyou Miko

I knew about the «incident» of the Flesh Tearers, but at my surprise, the Lexicanum state that the Sisters of the Argent Shroud were not killed by the Flesh Tearer, but withdrew rather then fight their allies (the Militia were not so lucky thow). They then reclamed the destruction of the Flesh Tearers and attack them on sight when they can. It's perhapse the only Chapter the Sororitas would never allied with on any circomstances.

I think there are some different versions of what happened there - I have a feeling a recent BL short story from the Flesh Tearers perspective had them fighting Sororitas but can't recall if that was as part of the massacre or subsequent - I have a feeling it was the latter. IIRC the Flesh Tearers simply kept killing when the Orks were dead, and the Sororitas reported them to the Inquisition. Isn't their a recent novel about their Chapter Master being put on trial for that and other atrocities?

However the recent Shield of Baal Campaign also had the Flesh Tearers drop podding in into save and fight alongside the Sororitas survivors against the Tyranid hordes and being evacuated alongside them.......without killing them!

I'll see what it says / if I can find the other story when finished work.

Good call, I don't have the resources right now.

 Mr Morden wrote:

epronovost wrote:
@Furyou Miko

I knew about the «incident» of the Flesh Tearers, but at my surprise, the Lexicanum state that the Sisters of the Argent Shroud were not killed by the Flesh Tearer, but withdrew rather then fight their allies (the Militia were not so lucky thow). They then reclamed the destruction of the Flesh Tearers and attack them on sight when they can. It's perhapse the only Chapter the Sororitas would never allied with on any circomstances.

I think there are some different versions of what happened there - I have a feeling a recent BL short story from the Flesh Tearers perspective had them fighting Sororitas but can't recall if that was as part of the massacre or subsequent - I have a feeling it was the latter. IIRC the Flesh Tearers simply kept killing when the Orks were dead, and the Sororitas reported them to the Inquisition. Isn't their a recent novel about their Chapter Master being put on trial for that and other atrocities?

However the recent Shield of Baal Campaign also had the Flesh Tearers drop podding in into save and fight alongside the Sororitas survivors against the Tyranid hordes and being evacuated alongside them.......without killing them!

I'll see what it says / if I can find the other story when finished work.

The story you're thinking of is Trial By Blood, its mostly a collection of previous short stories thrown into the setting of all the other Blood Angels successor chapter masters discussing the Flesh Tearer's crimes under Seth's command. Can't remember if they actually mention the Sororitas at all.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
In the original fluff, the Sisters were killed. In the newer Flesh Tearer fluff, they changed it, possibly because to move away from a reputation of putting women in fridges, possibly to make the FTs more heroic for their special release.

I have been corrected on this!

http://web.archive.org/web/20021005050337/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/ftearers.html

That is the original piece of fluff from the campaign website, in which the Flesh Tearers slaughtered Orks and Militia, but the Sisters withdrew.

Answer depends on the Sisters. What, you thought that all Space Marines came out of different cultures and had different values and personalities but all Sororitas were identical?

(Ebon Chalice and Salamanders is my prediction; both are similarly deliberate/practical/calm-headed in their general approach to things)

 AnomanderRake wrote:
What, you thought that all Space Marines came out of different cultures and had different values and personalities but all Sororitas were identical?

Sisters are very very similar to each other, unlike marines.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Answer depends on the Sisters. What, you thought that all Space Marines came out of different cultures and had different values and personalities but all Sororitas were identical?

(Ebon Chalice and Salamanders is my prediction; both are similarly deliberate/practical/calm-headed in their general approach to things)

Sacred Heart might be a better choice than Ebon Chalice - they're the level-headed ones. Ebon Chalice are the hyper-traditionalists.