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The webway is actually just a walled-off section of the Warp - part of why it never made sense for the Necrons to be hacking into it.

To take the fight to the Eldar, is why. The Necrontyr/Necrons could go there, the C'Tan could not.

I thought part of Necron fluff was they couldn't interact with the Warp in any way?

They have no psykers, and in some fluff (all but the very, very oldest) they gave up their souls when they transferred to their mechanical bodies, but its only the C'tan who are actually allergic to warp matter.

If Necrons couldn't interact with the Warp at all, then they wouldn't have been able to build the Gloom Prisms.

As Furyo said, the Necrons/Necrontyr had no psykers, but they were otherwise capable of interacting with the Warp.

In fact, it was this ability that attracted the C'Tan to them in the first place, as the C'Tan and the Old Ones (might have) previously fought a war, with the C'Tan losing, unable to deal with the Old Ones' warpcraft.

 Psienesis wrote:
To take the fight to the Eldar, is why. The Necrontyr/Necrons could go there, the C'Tan could not.

The C'tan did, however, help them to breach the Webway.

In fact, it was this ability that attracted the C'Tan to them in the first place, as the C'Tan and the Old Ones (might have) previously fought a war, with the C'Tan losing, unable to deal with the Old Ones' warpcraft.

Didn't the Necrons contact the C'tan rather than the other way round? And wasn't the C'tan-Old One war information given by the Deceiver?

Furyou Miko wrote:They have no psykers, and in some fluff (all but the very, very oldest) they gave up their souls when they transferred to their mechanical bodies, but its only the C'tan who are actually allergic to warp matter.

As far as I know the C'tan have not been stated to be "allergic" to the Warp but just can't control it in the same way they can physical matter (though how the Necrons with Materium-based technology defeated the gods of the Materium I do not know; but then the C'tan never made much sense). Kind of how Superman doesn't have a weakness to magic per say he just doesn't have an amazing resistance to it like he does more mundane attacks.


In regards to telefraging another creature (or Terminator) I imagine that both would probably die or be horribly maimed.

 Ashiraya wrote:
If you teleport into something, you basically meld with it.

Every other atom is a you-atom, and every other atom is belonging to the rock you just teleported into. It's like two books being joined together, page by page.

The death, while instant, is also rather terrifying.

Actually, technically the death is described (or rumoured) to be INCREDIBLY slow and painful. In the HH novel Know No Fear, guilliman crushes the head of one of his terminatours that got stuck in a wall to end his misery. This is assuming you aren't all the way in the wall. No idea what would happen if you were actually 100% in the wall.
From a physics/ chemistry viewpoint, what would happen? I think that something would happen between the outer electron shells which might result in either an explosion or just atoms going everywhere. Anyone that has some physics/chemistry please reply.

Actually, why doesn't the imperium teleport blocks of dirt or wood or metal or something into their enemies?

SirSertile wrote:

Actually, why doesn't the imperium teleport blocks of dirt or wood or metal or something into their enemies?

It's not usually that specific, the teleporters themselves are probably temperamental (thus only used for important reasons) and the ever useful it's not recommended in the handbook (though that wouldn't explain why no-one else uses it). On the other hand Warp missiles teleport to get past warp or void shields so it can be done.

Because Imperial teleporter technology is not precise or advanced or reliable enough to use in that manner, when they have perfectly good guns capable of blowing perfectly good holes i things.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

SirSertile wrote:

Actually, why doesn't the imperium teleport blocks of dirt or wood or metal or something into their enemies?

It's not usually that specific, the teleporters themselves are probably temperamental (thus only used for important reasons) and the ever useful it's not recommended in the handbook (though that wouldn't explain why no-one else uses it). On the other hand Warp missiles teleport to get past warp or void shields so it can be done.

I mean the Imperium could totally just do the same thing it does with Terminator Squads. Close enough, right? I mean, they could even teleport like melta bombs or something.

SirSertile wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

SirSertile wrote:

Actually, why doesn't the imperium teleport blocks of dirt or wood or metal or something into their enemies?

It's not usually that specific, the teleporters themselves are probably temperamental (thus only used for important reasons) and the ever useful it's not recommended in the handbook (though that wouldn't explain why no-one else uses it). On the other hand Warp missiles teleport to get past warp or void shields so it can be done.

I mean the Imperium could totally just do the same thing it does with Terminator Squads. Close enough, right? I mean, they could even teleport like melta bombs or something.

So long as an errant teleportation jump doesn't drop those melta bombs into your Warp Drive, sure.

SirSertile wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

SirSertile wrote:

Actually, why doesn't the imperium teleport blocks of dirt or wood or metal or something into their enemies?

It's not usually that specific, the teleporters themselves are probably temperamental (thus only used for important reasons) and the ever useful it's not recommended in the handbook (though that wouldn't explain why no-one else uses it). On the other hand Warp missiles teleport to get past warp or void shields so it can be done.

I mean the Imperium could totally just do the same thing it does with Terminator Squads. Close enough, right? I mean, they could even teleport like melta bombs or something.

That would be thinking with portals.

and GW hates fun.

im pretty sure that they straight dont as Teleporation is probably much shorter range, and the things you are boarding usually have more value being in tact than being exploded. Thats why they send sweeper teams instead of setting the whole thing on fire.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because Imperial teleporter technology is not precise or advanced or reliable enough to use in that manner, when they have perfectly good guns capable of blowing perfectly good holes i things.

Yeah, the only race with a technology advanced enough for such a feat are the orks. They have literally dozens of weaponized form of teleportation. From Shokk Attak Gun to teleporting only the upper part of the enemy to teleporting big rocks just over the head of the enemy to teleporting enemy very very high into the sky…
The only thing they lack is teleporting boyz close to the enemy, I really wonder why .

I think one way to make sense of all that is that teleportation is about opening a portal into the warp, but the guy teleported need to actually go through the warp. It may seem instantaneous from an outsider perspective, but for the terminator, he has to use either his feet or his will or whatever to keep on the correct course. And when he goes out, he pushes stuff out of the way… if possible.
I can also imagine daemons or winds or other stuff trying to set the terminator off course.
Therefore, it would make sense that teleporting a melta-bomb about to explode does not work: the melta-bomb has no will, and the daemons might find it funny to make it go out next to your biggest reactor instead of on the enemy ship/base!
But this is all unofficial speculation by me, and unless specified otherwise, my words are not official GW canon.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Because Imperial teleporter technology is not precise or advanced or reliable enough to use in that manner, when they have perfectly good guns capable of blowing perfectly good holes i things.

Yeah, the only race with a technology advanced enough for such a feat are the orks. They have literally dozens of weaponized form of teleportation. From Shokk Attak Gun to teleporting only the upper part of the enemy to teleporting big rocks just over the head of the enemy to teleporting enemy very very high into the sky…
The only thing they lack is teleporting boyz close to the enemy, I really wonder why .

This stuff is pretty random and mek with shokk attakk may kill himself.
'bout boyz... How about Ghazghull's Tellyporta Strikes during Armageddon wars?

He did that ?

It has been years since I even knew where my copy of Codex: Armageddon was, but yes, I believe he did. Orkimedes is one hell of a good mek though.

Nope - thats called mishap. at best the enemy gets to place them where they want them to go - at worst they are destroyed....sometimes they just get to try again.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

However, the fluff about teleporters being warp-based is about the same age.

Back in the day, if I had any Daemons in my army and my opponent teleported anything (terminators, warp spiders, etc) I got a roll for each model that represented the chance that those teleporting soldiers were possessed by my daemons. Instead of placing their model at the end, I would get to put my Daemonette in the middle of their unit (when Daemonettes were really hard!)

It was great.


So, my vote is for bodily moving through the actual warp is what teleporting is in most cases of 40k.

The opening fluff-story about the teleport being performed by the GK in Codex: Daemonhunters confirms that, at least in the Imperium, teleportation is a Warp-based technology.

I don't understand how someone can get stuck in something like described. If I had a ball and filled it to the top with play dough (no air) then teleported a smaller ball in there it would explode (because you are adding to whats in there... but it is full). How can you add to the inside of a wall? Or a rock?

In my opinion, it's more likely and more accurate that you would be assembled incorrectly. Say there is a wall you teleport half on and half off of, then your middle section should assemble itself on the wall where it can (think like tetris?) and the rest on the ground.

This makes a bit more sense provided they have a way of clearing everything from the air so they dont assemble all pixelated or something. Otherwise it makes no sense that you can simply loose part of yourself in a rock without the rock expanding or the missing bits appearing somewhere else.

Because the Warp compresses your atomic structure to fit within the gaps in the atomic structure of the material you are reappearing inside of.

As you've never actually teleported another ball inside of your putty-filled example ball, the results of the experiment are theoretical, at best.

You're also committing the cardinal sin of trying to make sense of the Warp. That is the path of Madness.

True it is a theoretical test since we can't put something inside something else without "inserting" it (unless there is something I am not aware of). But when we insert something into something else it usually gets bigger/weighs more or has the space to fit it.

The atomic structure thing, wouldn't that then mean there is likely still not enough space for your section to fit? So some of you would be around the rock?

It would make more sense for the teleporter to "take" everything in the area you are about to appear in then "swap" it with your area. This means you can still technically end up inside a mountain it's just you would have replaced the chunk of mountain you appeared in.

No?

There's a lot of quantum space inside atoms. If you compress other atoms to fit in that space, you could fit an entire universe inside another.

 Psienesis wrote:
No?

There's a lot of quantum space inside atoms. If you compress other atoms to fit in that space, you could fit an entire universe inside another.

That doesn't sound right at all for what we are talking about though. You can;t simply put us inside something else. Heck even the air etc is dangerous. They would have to teleport in some kind of void or there would be a lot of issues, perhaps even an explosion? Which would be a lot higher if they appeared in a wall?

The only safe sounding/non silly way of teleporting would be to have your area replace the target area. So they would know if you appeared in a mountain because there will be rocks in the area yous just left. This also eliminated the problem of simply the air around us being an issue (ish). How this works would still be magic, but at least you don't end up with stupidity like merging humans and rocks together.

According to recent findings of quantum physics, you can. Basically, the concept of a "solid" bit of matter is... not entirely accurate. On the atomic and sub-atomic level, nothing is solid. There's always gaps between particles, smaller and smaller gaps.

There's no reason to replace anything with anything, the sections of you that end up inside a solid object are just atomically fused with whatever it was you appeared inside of. So if you were half-in/half-out of a mountain, the parts sticking out are fine, the parts inside the mountain are unrecoverable, because you've become "one with the mountain".

 Psienesis wrote:
According to recent findings of quantum physics, you can. Basically, the concept of a "solid" bit of matter is... not entirely accurate. On the atomic and sub-atomic level, nothing is solid. There's always gaps between particles, smaller and smaller gaps.

There's no reason to replace anything with anything, the sections of you that end up inside a solid object are just atomically fused with whatever it was you appeared inside of. So if you were half-in/half-out of a mountain, the parts sticking out are fine, the parts inside the mountain are unrecoverable, because you've become "one with the mountain".

So how does this method stop the teleporting objects becoming part of the air around them when they teleport then?

I still think its not right what you are saying, but I don't know enough to say much about it.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
According to recent findings of quantum physics, you can. Basically, the concept of a "solid" bit of matter is... not entirely accurate. On the atomic and sub-atomic level, nothing is solid. There's always gaps between particles, smaller and smaller gaps.

There's no reason to replace anything with anything, the sections of you that end up inside a solid object are just atomically fused with whatever it was you appeared inside of. So if you were half-in/half-out of a mountain, the parts sticking out are fine, the parts inside the mountain are unrecoverable, because you've become "one with the mountain".

So how does this method stop the teleporting objects becoming part of the air around them when they teleport then?

I still think its not right what you are saying, but I don't know enough to say much about it.

When teleportation happens in the book they often describe a noise, a crack of displaced air. So I'm guessing air gets moved out the way somehow. Things like mountains and spaceship hulls aren't really going anywhere though.

Or just chalk it up to an inconsistency in the writing. What Psienesis said is correct (not a physicist but it sounds right from my A Level anyway, the majority of atoms is 'empty space'), it just doesn't happen with air for whatever reason, because if it did teleportation wouldn't be possible at all in the books.

 ace101 wrote:

 jifel wrote:
Of course if you get lucky and only partially teleporters into something you might survive. Now you will lose whatever body part is lodged in there of course, but it's possible it's just and arm or leg.

The 1st Captain of the Imperial Fists (one before Lysander) is said to have had one of those, where he was stuck in a rock and lived long enough to name Lysander his successor.

This is also how Lysander got his hammer.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
According to recent findings of quantum physics, you can. Basically, the concept of a "solid" bit of matter is... not entirely accurate. On the atomic and sub-atomic level, nothing is solid. There's always gaps between particles, smaller and smaller gaps.

There's no reason to replace anything with anything, the sections of you that end up inside a solid object are just atomically fused with whatever it was you appeared inside of. So if you were half-in/half-out of a mountain, the parts sticking out are fine, the parts inside the mountain are unrecoverable, because you've become "one with the mountain".

So how does this method stop the teleporting objects becoming part of the air around them when they teleport then?

I still think its not right what you are saying, but I don't know enough to say much about it.

When teleportation happens in the book they often describe a noise, a crack of displaced air. So I'm guessing air gets moved out the way somehow. Things like mountains and spaceship hulls aren't really going anywhere though.

Or just chalk it up to an inconsistency in the writing. What Psienesis said is correct (not a physicist but it sounds right from my A Level anyway, the majority of atoms is 'empty space'), it just doesn't happen with air for whatever reason, because if it did teleportation wouldn't be possible at all in the books.

So when they teleport does it take the air in their lounges or stomach acid with them etc? I assume it must take an object and move it since they have armour.

There would be gaps inside that ball of dough, between the atoms (as atoms are generally spherical, to be basic about it, and so don't tessellate perfectly), where your smaller ball has its atoms forcibly inserted.

Imaging the dough is a rock, and your arm is the smaller ball. You're atoms are now forcible inserted into the gaps between the rocks atoms, probably with the electrons' various orbits crossing and either colliding (ow!) or at least being close enough that the cross paths. Given the amount of energy involved in teleporting you could imagine ionic bonding also occurring.