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 Deadshot wrote:
I don't know what you are trying to say. They are both equally valid estimates.

One is an in-universe estimate, and thus capable of error.
The other is no estimate at all, and is simply a statement of fact.
The Inquisition, or that one specific member of the organisation at least, was simply wrong.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

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 Deadshot wrote:
The Black Templars are of course over 6000 strong but spread out.

Well five to six thousand was the upper Inquisitorial estimate of the Black Templar's numbers.
In Eternal Crusader however it's revealed that the Black Templars are in fact only slightly larger than a regular Chapter, and that 200 Marines is just under one fifth of their total strength.

One man's writing doesn't erase other sources. An in-universe source says 5000 or abouts, which is equally as valid as 1200 base. The only thing that is true is that they are larger.

The Inquisition estimated five to six thousand as the upper amount.
The other isn't a guess, just a statement.

I don't know what you are trying to say. They are both equally valid estimates.

According to Haley, the retcon to 1,200 ballpark is direct from corporate. So no, the five thousand or more estimation is incorrect.

It used to be the biggest Chapter with thousands of marines in numerous Crusades - the previous Codex retconned that sadly. Now we have all this stuff that apparently the Dark Angels and Successors are the biggest.

The Space Wolves Codex is insane - it brings the numbers down from more vague estimates and then gives them more than a 100 warships, Star Fortresses and the like to command and run - remembring that Fenrisians are not normally allowed off planet

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The Black Templars are of course over 6000 strong but spread out.

Well five to six thousand was the upper Inquisitorial estimate of the Black Templar's numbers.
In Eternal Crusader however it's revealed that the Black Templars are in fact only slightly larger than a regular Chapter, and that 200 Marines is just under one fifth of their total strength.

One man's writing doesn't erase other sources. An in-universe source says 5000 or abouts, which is equally as valid as 1200 base. The only thing that is true is that they are larger.

The Inquisition estimated five to six thousand as the upper amount.
The other isn't a guess, just a statement.

I don't know what you are trying to say. They are both equally valid estimates.

According to Haley, the retcon to 1,200 ballpark is direct from corporate. So no, the five thousand or more estimation is incorrect.

It used to be the biggest Chapter with thousands of marines in numerous Crusades - the previous Codex retconned that sadly. Now we have all this stuff that apparently the Dark Angels and Successors are the biggest.

The Space Wolves Codex is insane - it brings the numbers down from more vague estimates and then gives them more than a 100 warships, Star Fortresses and the like to command and run - remembring that Fenrisians are not normally allowed off planet

Yeah, it is bs and fairly ruins the Templars. Their entire point is to be a remnant harkening back to the days of Astartes Legions and not Chapters.

You read the B&C thread on the book? It's quite amusing.

Animus wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
I don't know what you are trying to say. They are both equally valid estimates.

One is an in-universe estimate, and thus capable of error.
The other is no estimate at all, and is simply a statement of fact.
The Inquisition, or that one specific member of the organisation at least, was simply wrong.

Whatever happened to "everything and nothing is canon?" Until that part of GW changes all sources are equally valid in my eyes. They can't have it both ways.
Who stated this, btw? A codex or was it like a press release thing they made a big deal out of?

 Deadshot wrote:
Whatever happened to "everything and nothing is canon?" Until that part of GW changes all sources are equally valid in my eyes. They can't have it both ways.

I think this is an oft misunderstood piece. Everything is canon, but not all canon is true. The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer is canon, it exists in-universe but it's not truthful, and is filled with misinformation. Likewise the Black Templar 5000-6000 estimate, is canon, someone actually made that estimate in-universe, but that doesn't mean it was correct.

 Deadshot wrote:
Who stated this, btw? A codex or was it like a press release thing they made a big deal out of?

It was said in Eternal Crusader, when asked about it the author said that it was a new company wide move by GW.

Guy Haley on the topic, from the comments section of his blog:

"In answer to your query, the number of Black Templars has now become just over a thousand, sometimes more, sometimes less. It’s a change in the lore. In order to accommodate the older mentions I have their numbers being more flexible than that of other chapters, but not to such extremes as in the past.

I understand it is a company decision, not the decision of the codex writers. They could just about manage that number of crusades, as some of them are very small, a squad or two. As you’ll discover later. I am writing a lot of Black Templar fiction, and that will be addressed in there. And personally I think it only increases their devotion – they’re trying to conquer the galaxy with a thousand men!"

I understand where he's coming from, as this same reasoning is used with the C'Tan shards. If all of the actions the C'Tan did previously are now being done by shards, that makes it an increase in power because a full C'Tan's power would be immeasurable. In this case, it is stating that the Black Templars succeeded in everything they previously are stated to have done, only with hundreds of marines rather than thousands. Now do I agree with this idea? Ehh... It works for the C'Tan. Less so for the BT.

Edit: Found the first half of his response.