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KurtAngle2 wrote:
Deathleaper Assassin Brood shooting at rear armor or Spore Mines around one single vehicle; he must declare a Ram/Tank Shock at this point to move in position and thus won't be able to shoot the 10" S10 AP2 Blast

This makes me want to see the apocalyptic blast shooting at the spore mines to clear them. Tank Commander: "We're surrounded by these bloody spore mines!" - Gunner: "On it sir"

Yes, they can move and fire the blast, but their stormbolters will have to snap shot if they do! :(

effreem wrote:
Yes, they can move and fire the blast, but their stormbolters will have to snap shot if they do! :(

Sounds like a good trade to me!


Don't have a plan NOW but when I build my list more my options would likely be:
1) If I get more bikers, hopefully with Meltas, they charge in and Melta those suckers
2) Lascannon/Missile Dreads pound at 'em (already almost ready for this!)
3) Deathwing Knights/Termies/Commanders leap out of some flavor of Land Raider and clonk/punch them to death.
4) If I splurge on more Vindies myself, fight fire with fire!

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
Did someone say distraction carnifex?

Seriously you can neuter the big blast with 110 points of scouts + speeder with combi-melta and multi-melta. Then focus down on the rest of his long range units so he has to come to you and expose his rhino side armor.

Scout sergeants can't take combi-weapons AFAIK. Was thinking of assault squad sergeants, sorry...

Mmmm, either one of my riptides (one has TH), 2 squads of missilesides (with TH), fire warriors if they can get side armor shots, suicide melta crisis, or 2 skyrays should handle them nicely before they get anywhere near me. First turn it should be pretty well neutered.

 Talys wrote:
I'm not even sure how an apocalyptic blast from one is that much better than the normal, 3 large blasts that don't need to be near each other.

My Ravenwing with a rerollable 3+ cover save (or 2+ with a darkshroud) might suffer slightly from a blast that ignores cover. Plus keep in mind that the three blasts need to be on the same unit (since it's a vehicle squadron) unless I'm mistaken.

I don't have any reliable answer to it with footslogging orks. Only hope is to do something with a few s8 ap2 guns against front armor or not to loose an opentopped av10 truck or stormboyz first turn.

It's pretty brutal against hordes. Especially if he's gona bauble wrap them.

It's Deimos cousin the vindicator tank destroyer, you'll be down a vindicator before t1. At 2000+ points he is joined by a venerable lascannon dread and drop melta veterans. Your entire squadron would be dead in an instant.

Your team will be dead before you've even fired a shot.

My list has never been the best at taking out armour, but I run highly mobile, so it shouldn't be too hard to sneak 3 duel fusion blaster crisis suits behind them, and If I plan it right (or roll well enough), I shouldn't have to worry too much about it.

They're 13/11/10 with a 30'' threat range.

I could glance out all three in a single turn with even my most casual lists. Vindicators have never been scary.

Dominions solve everything.

I ran the Caliban formation against my ork friend. He almost rage quit the game when his lotta couldn't do anything to my land raider. He was so mad and was throwing such a stormnover it. He calmed down a bit and played on. Managed to destroy the entire formation with a morkanout and def a few nobs with klaws. I only managed to glance one dred and was limited by the range and terrain. Honestly, its not that big of a threat. You should not ignore it but you shouldn't freak out. It's a lot of points in a small basket that requires that you don't harm yourself, have three living and unstunned vindicators and an opponent that has no anti armor, infiltration, Air, deepstike, ect.

My Tanks could bring them down. Longer range and plenty of armor cracking ability. All I need is to disable just one of them and that ability is gone.

Three indicators is a paper tiger, the short range and Av13 hurts, elt alone Av11 sides.

If you immobilise one thats enough, problem over if you destroy a weapon twice, likewise.

They are relatively easy to penetrate for most AT.

Formations of Whirlwinds are scarier IMHO.

With my IG: ignore cover or tankhunter HWT just off the top of my head. Or meltacide stormies.

With my Admech: Theres haywire and grav, AM are excellence can openers.

The fact that I only have to kill one to disable the benefit is big weakness and ultimately keeps the resources I need to devote to disabling the formation down. Whether or not I get the alpha strike will determine how I accomplish it but in either case the tools I need to kill just the one tank is able to be taken in mass in either force.

 Talys wrote:
Just kill one of them before it gets within 24" range. It's not like they're very durable, and the range is crappy.

I'm not even sure how an apocalyptic blast from one is that much better than the normal, 3 large blasts that don't need to be near each other.

Ignores Cover is the key rule in play here.

With that, it'll clean horde units out very neatly with a bit of colatteral.

Otherwise yeah, firing at three targets with 5 inch blasts would be better.

 Jeeves wrote:
With a Str 10 ap2 apocalyptic blast that ignores cover, do your typical lists have a counter? If I showed up with this, would your list handle it? Especially if it were backed up by two techmarines each with two servitors with servo arms.

I didn't think mine would, but my opponent didn't use it very well. Got two shots off and killed a dev squad and half a command squad before my dreadnought and jump pack librarian with the mindforge stave took it to pieces in combat.

My thinking is it's vulnerable in the sense that no opponent will let it live and will throw everything at it.

I considered trying it but I think two separate vindicators worked better.


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This was a 1500 point game.

Easily. 4 serpents, 2 with fragons inside.
In fact, it would be laughably easy to defend agaisnt.
Any pens are decreased to glances on 2+.
So youll get 1-2 glances on them before they unload their fire dragons and melt the vindicators into piles of scrap.



I love that episode of the Venture Bros.

Fusion blasters on Crisis Suits.... Job done. Like everyone else said, only gotta kill one of them. If all else fails, hit it with seeker missiles and harvest some tears

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Dominions solve everything.

World hunger! go!

Plan?

Pask Punisher with Lascannon and Multi Meltas, and a wingman. Get into 24" on my turn, take out 1+ Tanks in a single shooting phase.
That or snipe with a carefully played Vendetta.

The 40k world has revolved around killing 3+ saves and AV12 vehicles for some time now. You army has a way to do that, or you already know it's bad.

Vindicators are only AV11 (where it counts). This is still a non-issue.

3 lone Vindicators > a squadron of 3 in most cases.

If they were available in 5th ed, they would have bern scary. Since then, easy to glance to death.

DarknessEternal wrote:The 40k world has revolved around killing 3+ saves and AV12 vehicles for some time now. You army has a way to do that, or you already know it's bad.

Vindicators are only AV11 (where it counts). This is still a non-issue.

Naw wrote:3 lone Vindicators > a squadron of 3 in most cases.

If they were available in 5th ed, they would have bern scary. Since then, easy to glance to death.

I couldn't agree more. If you can't kill them before they're useful, you'd die to just about any tank in the Vindi's place anyhow.

Melta-Sisters.