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With a Str 10 ap2 apocalyptic blast that ignores cover, do your typical lists have a counter? If I showed up with this, would your list handle it? Especially if it were backed up by two techmarines each with two servitors with servo arms.

I didn't think mine would, but my opponent didn't use it very well. Got two shots off and killed a dev squad and half a command squad before my dreadnought and jump pack librarian with the mindforge stave took it to pieces in combat.

My thinking is it's vulnerable in the sense that no opponent will let it live and will throw everything at it.

I considered trying it but I think two separate vindicators worked better.


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This was a 1500 point game.

Scout and/or Infiltrate units is the key. You can early outflank them and arrive close enough. Logically the Vindicator can not move if the want to use their canon so shall not be far from the table edge.

yeah, Vindicator squadron's are gonna be fire magnets. every peice of anti-tank weaponry on the battlefeild is gonna be going after it.

Drop Pod ASM with Melta. Blood Angels still have their tricks after all.

Or a high risk attack with twin Infiltrating Stormtalons (Saint Tylus Formation) in my Ultramarines. Or Infiltrating Wave Serpents in my Eldar (Striking Scorpion transports).

My Tyranids are actually the worst off. Nids need Cover from Venomthropes so my Flyrants are going to take a whole Wound of damage... Ya know, I'm not too chuffed about it. I'll just be sure to have my Warriors in a Tyrannocyte until the Vindicators are reduced.

But I do have some actual concerns against my Astral Claws and Chaos. Obliterators are only T5, along with Plagues so they'll be doubled out, taking a chunk of support with them. Nurgle Bikes won't do much better without Jink. My Alpha Strike in those two armies are Speeders and Infiltrating Infantry respectively, so I might have some more difficulty than I'd like if I come across them. But I think it's a tactical change that I could make, not an actual army list change. As long as that's the only 'big ticket' group opposite my army, I don't have much to worry about.

Don't you only have to kill one of the three for it not to be able to use it? and it's only 24" range

Fire at one of them with my Tank Hunters Lascannon Devastators. That is what they are there for. Failing that, I will also position my Scouts in their Land Speeder Storm so they can get one with a Melta Bomb if the Devs don't blow it up. Oh wait, they would be a prime target for my Drop Pod Sternguards with Combi-Meltas.

TL;DR: They don't scare me.

I often run a vindicare, a good chance of at least stunning one of them per turn. means they can't fire the ignores cover so my new rerollable jink shenanigans can get me close enough for meltabombing

Just need to kill one.

That's a thing that sounds really nutty on paper, which in reality is quite easy to nullify.

The Skyhammer on the other hand, I faced off against that with what I thought might be the best possible army last night (fully mounted up Harlequins) and it still dealt a huge blow to my list.

I went up against it, literally just kept my army back for a turn except one black knight squad (scouted up behind a building, where the tanks didn't have LoS), then shot/charged them turn 2. Black knights have 20 attacks on the charge at strength 5 (aka at least 4 hull points, 2 should be pens), and that's if I don't angle them to get plasma into the side of one. 10 plasma shots into the side, or even the front, should do some damage. Took out 2 vindis before they got a shot off.

Keep in mind this guy didn't have protective bubble wrap on them. Even with bubble wrap, some terminators dropping behind them will do some work, or a drop melta, or melta bikes. All it takes is making one of them snap shot and they can't use the shot.

You don't even need to kill one. They can't fire the bigger gun if any of the models can't fire. They can't fire it as a snap shot. So pretty much anything but an immobilized on a pen will stop it if you just need a turn to get a better solution in place.

But just like everything, people do sometimes forget that the game isn't (shouldn't be) played on a flat empty table. If they deploy them in a good spot with decent flank protecting cover, penning the front from range can be a pain. And having that hit even once can really set your side back. Also the rest of their force exists. Try to be aware if you are tunnel visioning on that squad of all the things you are "ignoring".

Just nueter one and then they are just Vindicators. Sometimes just the distraction of these on the table will give your opponent an edge if you focus on them too much.

I always take a spare pair of underwear to any game of 40k and I find it takes me through the worst of anything anyone can throw at me.

Plenty of tanks and pask and lascannon teams only need to make one of them snap fire.

Same plan I have for Knights: Melta sternguard in a drop pod. It kills gak, dead.

You only have to kill 1 vindicator to ruin their Apoc blast.

Their side AV is 11. Of course I have a plan.

Allow them to shoot at most one time, if they got the first turn.

Then destroy one of the Vindicators, at which point, they can't do that anymore. Side armor 11 on a 2 foot gun is volunteering to be killed.

This is a non-issue.

Scouts + move + blow 1 with melta, plasma or Lascannon.
At worst, you will receive 1 shot of their blast, then kill 1 turn 2

Stunlock just one of them. That's really easy to do given that they are AV 11 on the side.

All you have to do is kill 1, and they lose their apocalyptic blast /w ignores cover. If I can't kill 1 vehicle that's in LOS within 24" of my army on the first turn, then my list has more fundamental problems.

My plan, bring 6 Vindicators and always go first!

Did someone say distraction carnifex?

Seriously you can neuter the big blast with 110 points of scouts + speeder with combi-melta and multi-melta. Then focus down on the rest of his long range units so he has to come to you and expose his rhino side armor.

I think everything in my normal lists can hurt them except my troop choices. Hawks can potentially hop out from behind cover and haywire at least one to death. My farseer can lob eldritch storms at them before running behind BLOS. My spiders can shoot their butts. My war walkers can shoot their butts or their fronts if they have bright lances. My wraith lord can hurt side armor with its strength 6 shooting and will wreck them if I can get close. Barrage rules mean that my night spinner can stay well out of their range while lobbing strength 6 shots that will automatically go against their side armor.

My dark eldar have more trouble, but haywire scourges, deepstriking blaster born, or even just a lucky dark lance shot should deal with them. Or a dark eldar reaper from forgeworld.

The Raptor chapter master will give me a small chance of taking one of the vindis out before the game starts, and my devastators out range them enough to potentially shave off however many hull points they still have afterwards.

My new Slaaneshy chaos army and my Tyranids would probably struggle against them though.

If they're in 24 inches, they're in Gauss Flayer Range. Good luck to them then. Only thing I worry about is the Judicator Battalion or Destroyers getting crumped hard right off the bat.

Two units of Rangers with Transauranic Arquebus say "sup".

Well my necrons don't mind too much, because they are necrons.

My nurgle daemons care a little, as I love nurgle, and cover is my buddy.

My space wolves are a bit sad, as it will mean entire units are being wiped away... if the vindicator survives a drop pod with 2 melta guns in it.

A farsight bomb would handle this no problem. Even a crisis suit squad with target locks would be fine and can possibly destroy all 3 in one turn.

I'm not afraid of it. I actually really want to try fighting one

Nids best counter to them - don't play nids \o/

But seriously the good ol barbed heirodule shouldn't have any problems dealing with an armor squad.

I'm just gonna shake or better one tank each turn using a few well placed lascannon shots and maybe a melta if it gets close. Hell a heavy flamer on the rear could do the job.

Deathleaper Assassin Brood shooting at rear armor or Spore Mines around one single vehicle; he must declare a Ram/Tank Shock at this point to move in position and thus won't be able to shoot the 10" S10 AP2 Blast

Can they move and fire the demo cannon? Are they heavy vehicles?

Just kill one of them before it gets within 24" range. It's not like they're very durable, and the range is crappy.

I'm not even sure how an apocalyptic blast from one is that much better than the normal, 3 large blasts that don't need to be near each other.