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 ibushi wrote:
I'm still curious to hear how the Hemlock performed at the BAO -- any batreps in the pipeline?

Most definitely... I am currently coming back off vacation and I am still not at home. I will begin creating the videos and uploading them to youtube when I get back. Any request as far as format? The bugeater reports had the opposing list at the beginning of the video. I can list both list and mission at the beginning if desired. Sadly I did not snap a picture of the maelstrom points by turn. Otherwise I could post the score from turn to turn.

Gratz on getting to the top table mate. Didn't think much of your list but goes to show what a good player is capable of

-Alex the brit (From nova)

Looking forward to seeing those!

Format wise, mission + enemy list is pretty clear. Last time your short video batreps were really good and concise.

Apologies gents.... I seem to have lost the chord to get the pictures and data from my camera to my laptop....

I'm running out of time and may have to postpone this report until I conclude the Iron Halo GT this weekend. That thread can be found at this link:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/657175.page#7997371

I will try and get at least game one and two done this week.

Shall we begin this report?

Round 1: ITC Mission #1

Dawn of War Mission: Modified Emperor's Will: 4 Mission Points if achieved, 0 pts if lost or tied.

Secondary Modified Maelstrom:
1. Hold Maelstrom Objective 1
2. Hold Maelstrom Objective 2
3. Have a scoring unit at least partially within the enemy deployment zone.
4. Destroy an Enemy Unit
5. Destroy an Enemy Unit
6. Have at least 3 of your and none of your opponent's scoring units in your deployment zone.


Opponent: David Cutts
His List:
White Scars
Demi Company 1
Khan on Moondrake

Tac Squad w/ melta gun
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Tac Squad w/ melta gun
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Tac Squad w/ melta gun
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Dev Squad w/ 4 Multi-melta
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Land Speeder w/ heavy bolter

Command Squad w/ 4x Grav; 2x storm shield; 4 melta bombs; Apothecary

Demi Company 2
Chaplain w/ Auspex and bike

Tac Squad w/ flamer
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Tac Squad w/ flamer
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Tac Squad w/ flamer
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Dev Squad w/ 4x missile launchers
Razorback w/ Assault Cannon

Land Speeder w/ Heavy Bolter

Anti Air Defense:

Hunter Squadron x 3

Stalker


Pre-Game Thoughts and Analysis: TBH this is one of the armies that I was hoping to avoid going into this event. However, they are also one of the armies I deliberately planned for when I included the Firebase Support Cadre. I was hoping to draw the battle company in round two where I could hide behind some kill points. Claiming and denying maelstrom objectives against this army is almost impossible. If I roll bad on my maelstrom objectives then it may be a quick game. He has won the roll off and taken first turn. His entire army has scout. Yes, that means I can potentially have a bike squad 5 and about 40 marines in my deployment zone on turn one... I have some good firepower but I can only shoot so many units. The game will come down to how effective I can nullify his first turn... if the S8 shooting brings down the broadsides early then I may be in for a long game.




Deployment: He deploys all but the land speeders(Deep striking) and one of the devastator razorbacks chooses to outflank. I deploy everything except the wraith fighter and the warp spiders (deep striking)!

Game Turn 1:

Game Turn 2:

Game Turn 3:

Game Turn 4:

Post Game Analysis:

Battle Company is very susceptible to massed firepower, of which your army has in spades. Also, what he needs are drop pods against your army, not razorbacks.

My prediction, Eldar with a massacre.

Where can I find Tomb Kings battle reports?

Are you talking about current BAO reports?

Sorry, can't help you there. He hasn't posted them yet.

If you're talking about his past reports, you can find them in this link:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/recentTopics/showTopicsByUser/33968.page

jy2 wrote:Battle Company is very susceptible to massed firepower, of which your army has in spades. Also, what he needs are drop pods against your army, not razorbacks.

My prediction, Eldar with a massacre.

The razorbacks are effective but he targeted the wraithknight after turn two which was decent but a little underwhelming if you cannot get 's.

sumi808 wrote:Where can I find Tomb Kings battle reports?

I dont have a dedicated thread linking all of my reports.... I will probably make a thread in the near future that links all of my battle reports going back to 2012.

jy2 wrote:Are you talking about current BAO reports?

Sorry, can't help you there. He hasn't posted them yet.

If you're talking about his past reports, you can find them in this link:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/recentTopics/showTopicsByUser/33968.page

Thanks for the link... that will make it easier to make a complete battle report thread later.

Thank you

yeah I was interested in seeing the present one - the past ones look good

Great seeing you at the event, buddy!

I AM STILL ALIVE!

Mission:
Vanguard Strike
Primary: Purge the Alien 4 VP

Secondary: Modified Maelstrom 4 VP
1. Hold Objective 1
2. Hold Objective 2
3. Hold Objective 3
4. Have more scoring units at least partially further than 12"
from your deployment table edge than your opponent.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's
deployment edge.
6. Have 3 of your own and no enemy scoring units at least
partially within 12" of your deployment edge.


His List:
Decurion Detachment
Overlord (Solar Staff)
9 lychguard
5 immortals
10 warriors
10 Warriors
Tomb Blades

Canoptek Harvest:
6 Wraiths
3 Scarabs
1 Spyder

Destroyer Cult:
Destroyer Lord (Veil of Darkness)
3 Destroyers
3 Destroyers
3 Destroyers

Allied Detachment:
Orikan the Diviner
5 Immortals

Pre-Game Thoughts: Well this list is obvious with a lychguard bomb and some wraiths to give me a little hell. Sadly I have drawn one of the most resilient armies in the game for a kill points mission. Thoughts think back to round 2 at Adepticon where I faced a Lance knight formation/lynx on a skyshield in kill points :soapbox. This match-up isnt as bad and I do have the advantage in mobility. I just need to hit him hard when he comes in with his wraiths and his lychguard... if I fail to kill off either of them then this could be a really long game. I may have to leave the tau formation to its own doom. I might send the wraithknight into either the wraiths or the lychguard to hold them up if needed. Maybe a stomp or two can finish them off.



With it being kill points and him having the harvester formation my opponent takes first turn. He reserves a good portion of his army for deepstriking and/or walking on. I reserve the warp spiders, shuriken bike squad, and the Hemlock. My opponent deploys orikan along with the wraiths in the middle. That means he will be trying to hit me with both deathstars in the first/second turn. I attempt to seize but fail.

Game Turn 1:

Game Turn 2:

Game Turn 3:

Game Turn 4:

Game Turn 5:

Game Results and Analysis:

Nice, glad to see you are still kicking!

Last tournament I had a very similar matchup on the same scenario -- my prediction is you are able to shoot one of his CC units to death, and assault the other one to ineffectiveness, while cleaning up on the maelstrom with your mobility.

The broadsides will get killed, but the crons will get too spread out trying to get objectives and you can pick them off.

Saying that I'm curious to find out what the terrain is and who goes first...

Looking forward to finding out what actually happens!

Thanks for the posts, I've always enjoyed your reports!

Here's my analysis of your Game #2 vs Necrons (assuming I didn't already know the results).

You have 2 easy KP's in the broadsides. Well, they're not exactly easy to kill, but because they are static, it will be hard for them to get away from the wraiths and a teleporting lychstar. You also have 2 easy KP's in your 3-man bike squads, but that will depend on who goes 2nd. If his destroyers come in before your bikes, then they can survive. If his destroyers come in after, then he has a good chance to kill them if he dedicates at least 2 units to shooting at them.

You should be able to take out the 3 destroyer units and the tomb blades and perhaps the immortals as well without too much difficulty due to your mobility. IMO you have a slight advantage in the KP mission. With the Maelstrom objectives, it could go either ways depending on what you guys roll. He has the resiliency to hold the objectives. However, you've got the mobility and the ObSec units to wrestle it from him (if you're willing to sacrifice the unit), so IMO, you've got a slight advantage there as well.

Overall, however, whoever is going 2nd will have the advantage in this game. I think that if he went 2nd, it's going to be a close fight but your Eldau will come out on top. If you went 2nd, it's going to be a Eldau blowout victory.

ibushi wrote:Nice, glad to see you are still kicking!

Last tournament I had a very similar matchup on the same scenario -- my prediction is you are able to shoot one of his CC units to death, and assault the other one to ineffectiveness, while cleaning up on the maelstrom with your mobility.

The broadsides will get killed, but the crons will get too spread out trying to get objectives and you can pick them off.

Saying that I'm curious to find out what the terrain is and who goes first...

Looking forward to finding out what actually happens!

I got incredibly lucky early in this game... I actually ended up killing more of my own models thanks to my psyker delving too deeply into the powers of the warp. I like to think I was prepared for an all or nothing charge into his lychguard had they landed in my vicinity. The middle piece of terrain was actually pretty good for BLOS on the scarabs and the spyder. Even some of the wraiths were hidden early on in the game.

Cieged wrote:Thanks for the posts, I've always enjoyed your reports!

No problem, glad you enjoy them!

jy2 wrote:Here's my analysis of your Game #2 vs Necrons (assuming I didn't already know the results).

You have 2 easy KP's in the broadsides. Well, they're not exactly easy to kill, but because they are static, it will be hard for them to get away from the wraiths and a teleporting lychstar. You also have 2 easy KP's in your 3-man bike squads, but that will depend on who goes 2nd. If his destroyers come in before your bikes, then they can survive. If his destroyers come in after, then he has a good chance to kill them if he dedicates at least 2 units to shooting at them.

You should be able to take out the 3 destroyer units and the tomb blades and perhaps the immortals as well without too much difficulty due to your mobility. IMO you have a slight advantage in the KP mission. With the Maelstrom objectives, it could go either ways depending on what you guys roll. He has the resiliency to hold the objectives. However, you've got the mobility and the ObSec units to wrestle it from him (if you're willing to sacrifice the unit), so IMO, you've got a slight advantage there as well.

Overall, however, whoever is going 2nd will have the advantage in this game. I think that if he went 2nd, it's going to be a close fight but your Eldau will come out on top. If you went 2nd, it's going to be a Eldau blowout victory.

I would of actually preferred to go first in this particular game as I was facing two deathstars that I would of liked to shoot a few times before they got their buffs off. Alas I went second which gave me a significant advantage in the maelstrom missions. I'm going to start to keep track of my W/L record and going first or second. I honestly think the 2nd turn advantage is 100% real in the ITC format.

Ah wow yeah that was unlucky for him, too bad.

So instead of shooting one CC unit to death, it mishapped to obscurity, and then you shot everything else to death. Fair enough.

Its true about going 2nd in ITC, it has helped me win a fair number of times, and I have chosen to go second, even against armies with a decent alpha. But I think that is a great way to balance out what used to be pandemic "first turn" syndrome.

Anyway, looking forward to the next one, keep up the good work!

 Tomb King wrote:
The Firebase support cadre became an almost auto include for me thanks to the new space marine formations. They give me ignores cover and preferred enemy vs all them space marines.

Where are you getting Ignore Cover from on that besides the SMS?

 Tomb King wrote:

I would of actually preferred to go first in this particular game as I was facing two deathstars that I would of liked to shoot a few times before they got their buffs off. Alas I went second which gave me a significant advantage in the maelstrom missions. I'm going to start to keep track of my W/L record and going first or second. I honestly think the 2nd turn advantage is 100% real in the ITC format.

You would prefer to go first, but what you actually needed to do was to go 2nd.

He had no ability for an alpha-strike, as you could just deploy out of his shooting range (or just take shots with your 2+ units). As you are finding out, it's better to go 2nd for most armies in the ITC format.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
The Firebase support cadre became an almost auto include for me thanks to the new space marine formations. They give me ignores cover and preferred enemy vs all them space marines.

Where are you getting Ignore Cover from on that besides the SMS?

While he doesn't have many option (besides Perfect Timing, Psychic Shriek and SMS), I wouldn't under-estimate SMS.

I actually played against Eldar w/FBC using Ravenwing (Not TK's Eldau, but someone else's in a practice game). In my game, SMS from the broadsides killed one of my Darkshroud speeders and did a number on my Ravenwing bikes. 6 broadsides = 24 shots = 18 hits = 9 wounds = 3 dead bikers a turn. To RW, that is actually a significant loss just from SMS and that's not counting the firepower from the rest of the army (HYMP and scatterbikes). (Then in my game, my opponent also got Perfect Timing!).

Man, that was a good fight. I would have done a battle report if not for the fact that my entire army was proxied. LOL.

It just jumped out at me as a strange way to say it if he only meant the SMS.

You're right. Just SMS by itself is not a lot. However, it is still more than what many other armies have (or rather, don't have).

ibushi wrote:Ah wow yeah that was unlucky for him, too bad.

So instead of shooting one CC unit to death, it mishapped to obscurity, and then you shot everything else to death. Fair enough.

Its true about going 2nd in ITC, it has helped me win a fair number of times, and I have chosen to go second, even against armies with a decent alpha. But I think that is a great way to balance out what used to be pandemic "first turn" syndrome.

Anyway, looking forward to the next one, keep up the good work!

The only issue is when playing objective games. Its a double advantage for the player going second. Your target priority is a lot easier.

DarknessEternal wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
The Firebase support cadre became an almost auto include for me thanks to the new space marine formations. They give me ignores cover and preferred enemy vs all them space marines.

Where are you getting Ignore Cover from on that besides the SMS?

Just the SMS but as jy2 stated... That is 24 TL S5 shots that have preferred enemy sm.

jy2 wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

I would of actually preferred to go first in this particular game as I was facing two deathstars that I would of liked to shoot a few times before they got their buffs off. Alas I went second which gave me a significant advantage in the maelstrom missions. I'm going to start to keep track of my W/L record and going first or second. I honestly think the 2nd turn advantage is 100% real in the ITC format.

You would prefer to go first, but what you actually needed to do was to go 2nd.

He had no ability for an alpha-strike, as you could just deploy out of his shooting range (or just take shots with your 2+ units). As you are finding out, it's better to go 2nd for most armies in the ITC format.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
The Firebase support cadre became an almost auto include for me thanks to the new space marine formations. They give me ignores cover and preferred enemy vs all them space marines.

Where are you getting Ignore Cover from on that besides the SMS?

While he doesn't have many option (besides Perfect Timing, Psychic Shriek and SMS), I wouldn't under-estimate SMS.

I actually played against Eldar w/FBC using Ravenwing (Not TK's Eldau, but someone else's in a practice game). In my game, SMS from the broadsides killed one of my Darkshroud speeders and did a number on my Ravenwing bikes. 6 broadsides = 24 shots = 18 hits = 9 wounds = 3 dead bikers a turn. To RW, that is actually a significant loss just from SMS and that's not counting the firepower from the rest of the army (HYMP and scatterbikes). (Then in my game, my opponent also got Perfect Timing!).

Man, that was a good fight. I would have done a battle report if not for the fact that my entire army was proxied. LOL.

I think you forgot preferred enemy in your numbers. As for going first i was confident i could still take maelstrom as he had 0 opsec. However, it would have resulted in more units being sacrificed. The only itc mission i really like first turn is relic because eldar can take it to your deployment zone in one turn.

Great reports Tomb King, really enjoying the quality.

I really like your list as well, very very strong!

Nice reps but dont keep us in suspense, did you play JY2?

Unless I'm mistaken, it would always take 2 turns to get the Relic back to your DZ:

T1 jump into base contact with relic to control at end of movement phase, in assault phase use jetbike/jet pack movement to bounce back 6".

T2 move 6" and jetbike/jet pack 6" again in assault phase -- home free!

Is there a way to do it faster?

 Ratius wrote:
Nice reps but dont keep us in suspense, did you play JY2?

As much as I would have liked to, but no, we didn't.

In order for me to have faced TK, I would have had to beat Pajamapants on Game #4, which I didn't.

 ibushi wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, it would always take 2 turns to get the Relic back to your DZ:

T1 jump into base contact with relic to control at end of movement phase, in assault phase use jetbike/jet pack movement to bounce back 6".

T2 move 6" and jetbike/jet pack 6" again in assault phase -- home free!

Is there a way to do it faster?

Nope.

Wait, actually yes....but you need a few factors going your way.

First of all, you need a jetpack unit on a large oval base (i.e. Riptide).

Then you need Master of Ambush. Either infiltrate the riptide on the Relic or about 6" away (i.e. if your opponent is directly across from the Relic).

Turn 1, move him so that the tip of his base is touching the Relic and the back of his base is the minimum distance to your deployment zone. Then jump him back in the Assault phase. The back of his base should be in your deployment zone (or very close to). Then if you need to, you can drop the Relic onto another unit in your deployment zone. Granted, he won't be holding the Relic yet, but at least it is in your deployment zone.

Ratius wrote:Nice reps but dont keep us in suspense, did you play JY2?

Unfortunately we had the chance but 1 in 4 wasnt enough.

ibushi wrote:Unless I'm mistaken, it would always take 2 turns to get the Relic back to your DZ:

T1 jump into base contact with relic to control at end of movement phase, in assault phase use jetbike/jet pack movement to bounce back 6".

T2 move 6" and jetbike/jet pack 6" again in assault phase -- home free!

Is there a way to do it faster?

So regrettably this is something that I messed up... You cannot move more then 12" in a turn with the relic as you cannot turbo boost and make jump moves in the same turn. This means the first turn you pick up the relic you can only move 6" that turn. Every turn following you can move 6" in the movement phase followed my 6" in the shooting or assault phase but not both. Thankfully it appears the mistake was not too crucial as my opponent didnt even attempt the relic despite seizing on me. Then after that I had fortune on the squad with the relic as they moved back to my side.

jy2 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Nice reps but dont keep us in suspense, did you play JY2?

As much as I would have liked to, but no, we didn't.

In order for me to have faced TK, I would have had to beat Pajamapants on Game #4, which I didn't.

 ibushi wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, it would always take 2 turns to get the Relic back to your DZ:

T1 jump into base contact with relic to control at end of movement phase, in assault phase use jetbike/jet pack movement to bounce back 6".

T2 move 6" and jetbike/jet pack 6" again in assault phase -- home free!

Is there a way to do it faster?

Nope.

Wait, actually yes....but you need a few factors going your way.

First of all, you need a jetpack unit on a large oval base (i.e. Riptide).

Then you need Master of Ambush. Either infiltrate the riptide on the Relic or about 6" away (i.e. if your opponent is directly across from the Relic).

Turn 1, move him so that the tip of his base is touching the Relic and the back of his base is the minimum distance to your deployment zone. Then jump him back in the Assault phase. The back of his base should be in your deployment zone (or very close to). Then if you need to, you can drop the Relic onto another unit in your deployment zone. Granted, he won't be holding the Relic yet, but at least it is in your deployment zone.

This method requires you to infiltrate and expose the riptide to a possible first turn charge. I would prefer to use the bikes myself... they are there to grab objectives after all.


Alright gents I bet you cannot guess what I faced in round 3.....


Mission: #3 ITC
Hammer and Anvil
Primary: Relic 4 VP

Secondary: Modified Maelstrom 4 VP
1. Hold Objective 1
2. Hold Objective 2
3. Destroy a unit
4. Destroy a unit
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's
deployment edge.
6. Have 3 of your own and no enemy scoring units at least
partially within 12" of your deployment edge.

Bonus: First Strike, Table Quarters, Slay the Warlord

His List:
Decurion Detachment
Nemesor Zahndrekh
8 lychguard
5 immortals
10 warriors
10 Warriors
3 Tomb Blades

Canoptek Harvest:
6 Wraiths
3 Scarabs
1 Spyder

Destroyer Cult:
Destroyer Lord (Veil of Darkness)
3 Destroyers
3 Destroyers
3 Destroyers

Allied Detachment:
Orikan the Diviner
5 Immortals

Pre-Game Thoughts: Well... that is one model off from an exact mirror build. The only difference between my round 2 oppoent and my round 3 opponent is an overlord + 1 lychguard vs Zahndrekh. My opponent has some options here... he could deepstrike on the relic on turn 1 and then walk it back with the very reselient lychguard bomb. This would force me to push up and direct everything on his lychguard as they move back... to make matters worse he could just jump the relic to other units the further he got back to his own side. I really need to get first turn in this one. Failure to do so may result in me losing the crucial primary objective. He doesnt really have the mobility to threaten me if I am able to grab the relic and bring it to my side.




Game Turn 1:

Game Turn 2:

Game Turn 3:


Game Turn 4:



Post Game Results and Analysis:

Lucky you, playing the same army twice in a row.

Was this Alex, the top ITC Necron player currently?

Good Job so far TK! Glad your having fun.

-Your old Adepticon TT mate

How are the Necrons having an Allied Detachment of Necrons?