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 Iron_Captain wrote:
Well, I went ahead and bought in. Hope it will be like Planetside 2, but with more player interaction, PvE and diversity. Planetside 2 is huge fun, but I always find it gets repetitive and stale after a few battles.
Hope they can avoid that in this game.

(also, my referral code is:
EC-07NDFZSCADDMA
if anyone who reads this decides to get the game and wants some extra founder points)

If you are looking for PvE this will not be the game for you. Earlier on they announced the ratio, and it was something like 90% pvp to 10% pve.




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 Melissia wrote:

 Snoopdeville3 wrote:
Also Chaos Space Marines

Like I said, generic space marines.

And no Generic (Vanilla) Space Marines are Ultramarine's.... not Chaos Space Marines

Your special snowflake marines aren't as special or snowflakey as you'd like to think

Come on, different paintjob IS a big deal. Not so much as different paintjob AND spikes, though.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
There is no odd man out to anyone who's even slightly impartial.

Yeah...Chaos Space Marines are TOTALLY different and so special when compared to normal Space Marines. So speciaaaaaaaaaal. Because evil and spikes. EVIIIIL.

To all non-CSM fanboys, CSM are evil Space Marines with spikes. Get over it. I could literally paint Ultramarines in eviiiil colors (RED BECAUSE RED GOD AND BLOOD AND MORE SPEED...wait, no, wrong god) and glue some spikes on 'em and they'd be CSM.

 Sigvatr wrote:
To all non-CSM fanboys, CSM are evil Space Marines with spikes. Get over it. I could literally paint Ultramarines in eviiiil colors (RED BECAUSE RED GOD AND BLOOD AND MORE SPEED...wait, no, wrong god) and glue some spikes on 'em and they'd be CSM.

Eh, I'd prefer it over the alternative.

Calling SoB 'Marines with boobplate' would be excessively flattering for that disaster of a faction.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Calling SoB 'Marines with boobplate' would be

Showing that you haven't actually seen a Battle Sister model or depiction in art, but I guess noticing different armor styles that are more than just "slap some shiny/spiky gak on top" is too hard or something.

Face it, space marine vs space marine is pretty monotonous to many people, regardless of if one faction has spikes on.

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Calling SoB 'Marines with boobplate' would be

Showing that you haven't actually seen a Battle Sister model or depiction in art, but I guess noticing different armor styles that are more than just "slap some shiny/spiky gak on top" is too hard or something.

Face it, space marine vs space marine is pretty monotonous to many people, regardless of if one faction has spikes on.

No no, I am fully aware they are not Space Marines with boobplate currently.

I am just saying calling them that would still be more flattering than anything else - their current armour looks 2D enough to fit in WoW.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am just saying calling them that would still be more flattering than anything else - their current armour looks 2D enough to fit in WoW.

Nothing in this sentence actually made any sense whatsoever. Do you have a point in this little ramble?

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am just saying calling them that would still be more flattering than anything else - their current armour looks 2D enough to fit in WoW.

Nothing in this sentence actually made any sense whatsoever. Do you have a point in this little ramble?

If you don't want to see it, then you don't have to.

I don't make a habit of arguing with argumental concrete walls, so I am done with this tangent.

 Ashiraya wrote:

Calling SoB 'Marines with boobplate' would be excessively flattering for that disaster of a faction.

I am not very familiar with SoB fluff, so I'll let our local SoB fanatic handle that, but to me, they make a lot of sense. They aren't as capable as Space Marines, but they serve as the connection between the military and the common people. Space Marines are the epitome of human fighting, but they aren't humans anymore and humans cannot identify with them. SoB, however, are much more human and their heoric deeds are more of "human" heroics instead of super hardcore badass heroic that goes over the head of any citizen.

If their models weren't looking that terrible, I'd even root for them as the best non-Necron faction. But women looking like men? Nah.

Chaos Space Marines are just incredibly boring. Space Marines already are super-bland and CSM are /evil/ super bland. CSM basically are D&D Fallen Paladins. Ask your resident D&D player how "interesting" they consider Fallen Paladins to be.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am just saying calling them that would still be more flattering than anything else - their current armour looks 2D enough to fit in WoW.

Nothing in this sentence actually made any sense whatsoever. Do you have a point in this little ramble?

If you don't want to see it, then you don't have to.

If there's nothing there to see, then there's no point of trying to find it. Saying their armor "looks 2D" makes no sense because their armor is a three dimensional design. Then you mention that awful game WoW, which... also uses three dimensional designs-- awful designs from a garbage game to be sure, but nonetheless not 2D.

The only 2D thing in Warhammer 40k is the Chaos Space Marine lore.

Shots fired.

You guys are getting really OT here.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
You guys are getting really OT here.

Yeah, but that was awesome OT to me. I want moar! Seriously though, there is no denying that from a purely aestetical point of view, sisters are much more different from loyalist marines than chaos marines will ever be. And that the siste's armor design is way more unique (40k sm looks very much like Starcraft sm, and Mellisia will tell you how much this is a sign of quality ^^)

Regardless, my original statement that incited this argument was simply one of disappointment. Marines vs Marines vs Orks vs Eldar vs NPC Tyranids is a bit disappointing. Of those, only half of them I'd want to play for extended periods of time, and I'd probably mainline Eldar while occasionally swapping over the Orks. Which is sad, as I like both Imperium and Chaos... but I don't like Space Marines.

What annoys me are people who argue I can't like Chaos if I don't like Marines...

You can like Chaos if you don't like Astartes, though they are the dominant form of Chaos-loyal warriors you are likely to encounter.

Which is why we have cultists in C:CSM, not CSM in C.LatD.

Still, LatD are very much there.

As are Daemons.

If I were to predict the next faction, I would say either Dark Eldar or Tau. Dark Eldar elite warriors such as Wyches (yes, they are elite) and Tau Battlesuits and the like would be the easiest to balance with Astartes, Nobz and Aspect Warriors.

I have no fething idea of how to balance IG with SM in a game like this - every player gets a sentinel? No, I see no obvious way, which is why I imagine bE will leave them for later if they do include them at all.

Same for LatD. Though they do have the option of horrific super-mutants to fit in the niche of combat monsters who can match Nobz, Astartes, Aspect Warriors etc. 1v1, it's still a bit slim.

Same for SoB, roughly. 1v1 with a Marine in 40k terms, a SoB is similar but lacking in WS, S, T, I, and (through ATSKNF) LD, and while they have their 6++ it is not really of much use in that situation. Of course, that is just 40k terms. In a shooter video game, it's not as strict and static and courage generally has no meaning, but you still have a warrior who is more weak, frail, slow and less skilled in melee in exchange for the vague abilities granted by faith. So unless bE gives them Paladin-like magic powers (which is not the ideal way to represent their superfaith imo, although not unprecedented) I see no effective way of balancing it. Therefore, I believe they too will be left for later while they figure out some good way to implement them, if they decide to do so at all.

AdMech? Maybe. It's difficult to say. Infiltrators and Ruststalkers sort of fit the bill, though it's just 2 units (or 2 variants of the same unit depending on perspective). You need more flesh than that for a faction.

 Ashiraya wrote:
You can like Chaos if you don't like Astartes, though they are the dominant form of Chaos-loyal warriors you are likely to encounter.

Ah, no. They aren't. They are extremely rare, and for the most part irrelevant to the day to day battles that involves the forces of Chaos. They make a huge impact when they are present, but they're really not "the dominant form of Chaos-loyal warriors".

 Sigvatr wrote:
To all non-CSM fanboys, CSM are evil Space Marines with spikes. Get over it.

Right, and Sisters are Black Templars with vaginas.

Anyone can homogenize unlike entities with oversimplifications. Your trolling isn't fooling anyone brah.

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
You can like Chaos if you don't like Astartes, though they are the dominant form of Chaos-loyal warriors you are likely to encounter.

Ah, no. They aren't. They are extremely rare, and for the most part irrelevant to the day to day battles that involves the forces of Chaos. They make a huge impact when they are present, but they're really not "the dominant form of Chaos-loyal warriors".

You misunderstand. They are not the most numerous. As Wiktionary tells us, the primary use of the 'dominant' adjective is

'Ruling; governing; prevailing; controlling.'

Which certainly applies to CSM. When Chaos fights battles that really really matter, the CSM are highly likely to be there, and they are vastly more likely to be in command of normal humans than the reverse.

 Ashiraya wrote:
'Ruling; governing; prevailing; controlling.'

CSMs aren't that, either. They do not govern or control most of the forces of Chaos.

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
'Ruling; governing; prevailing; controlling.'

CSMs aren't that, either. They do not govern or control most of the forces of Chaos.

Do you include the daemons? If you don't, I can see your argument, but then I did speak of 'chaos-loyal warriors' (which would be a bit redundant if we include daemons - there isn't really a lot of non-Chaos daemons).

If you don't, then CSM are indeed in control. Huron is master of the Maelstrom and Abaddon is Warmaster of Chaos. And those are just the two most influential of CSM.

I mean, if you count sergeant and above as 'leader', then no, humans and mutants are more numerous there, but as you get to the top you'll find more and more CSM - and as said above, at the very peak there's only CSM.

A few examples don't really disprove the fact that the overwhelming majority of Chaos (discounting daemons for reasons you mentioned) consists of humans (not astartes), mutants, and aliens. And most of them do not answer to astartes-- there's simply not enough of them around (and most of them are concentrated in to warbands regardless) to command most, never mind all, of the forces of Chaos in the galaxy. The forces of Chaos are even more diverse than that of the Imperium, and CSMs are just one tiny faction amongst many within it.

I'm just hoping that it gets so popular that they'll introduce Imperial Guard. Although I imagine that you would actually control a squad of 5 or 10 guys instead of a single guardsman. I don't know how that would work, though.

IG would probably be F2P, too.
Add bonuses for being near another IG player, and you'll end up with platoons, and stray corpses elsewhere.

 Melissia wrote:
A few examples don't really disprove the fact that the overwhelming majority of Chaos (discounting daemons for reasons you mentioned) consists of humans (not astartes), mutants, and aliens. And most of them do not answer to astartes-- there's simply not enough of them around (and most of them are concentrated in to warbands regardless) to command most, never mind all, of the forces of Chaos in the galaxy. The forces of Chaos are even more diverse than that of the Imperium, and CSMs are just one tiny faction amongst many within it.

I did some research and I couldn't really find much evidence going one way or the other. So we'll give that topic a rest, I think.

That said, I still think LatD would be very difficult to implement as a faction.

So, will this thread revolve around the fact that no one loves the Sisters and how unthreatening CSM are until no one cares anymore? Oh wait that happened years ago.

On topic, I hope they have some acceptable Havocs, or failing that, at least some Boyz suitable for pointlessly throwing at the enemy.

Storm Vermin wrote:
So, will this thread revolve around the fact that no one loves the Sisters and how unthreatening CSM are until no one cares anymore? Oh wait that happened years ago.

I believe some people are just very frustrated about certain little plastic men receiving less attention than other little plastic men

On topic, I hope they have some acceptable Havocs, or failing that, at least some Boyz suitable for pointlessly throwing at the enemy.

Havocs would be pretty cool.

Storm Vermin wrote:
On topic, I hope they have some acceptable Havocs, or failing that, at least some Boyz suitable for pointlessly throwing at the enemy.

Havoks are in: https://www.eternalcrusade.com/game/factions-at-war/chaos-space-marines
Basic Classes: Tactical, Havoc, Raptor, Aspiring Sorcerer (Details coming soon!)

A range of Boyz, too: https://www.eternalcrusade.com/game/factions-at-war/orks
Basic Classes: Shoota, ‘Eavy/Loota, Stormboy, Painboy (Details coming soon!)

Check the store for stuff they can equip.

Orks eh? Oh boy! I might check this out

Orks are, to my knowledge, the default F2P faction. For all the free-players, they get to be Boyz in Da Waaagh. Which means the Waaagh is going to be fething huge. Or, relatively huge. I hope to Dog they aren't expecting to see WoW numbers on launch, MMOs do not do that anymore, and so keep the number of servers available at launch to a manageable number.

If they launch with 3 servers, that might be too few, but 10 is definitely going to be too many. I'm thinking 5, with 2 or 3 on standby (in the event the game is a break-away success) they can bring online in a relatively short time-frame might be the best option.

SWTOR launched with, like, 20 servers (it felt like) but within 6 months most of them were ghost-towns.