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I'll just keep repeating it.

Ballistic skill 1 is not a marines normal ballistic skill

Well it's pretty weird.
With Grim Resolve and blind, one could argue for firing at BS2.
With Demi Company and blind, one could argue for firing at BS3.
With Lion's Blade and blind, you could argue for firing at BS1 - it's up to interpretion if "normal balistic skill" is the stat line or the modified value through blind.

I guess it's the same issue with the RWSF and flyers - "deploy normally". It all depends on how you interpret "normal". RAW is not clear., no clear case can be made in either way.
HIWPI - if you're blinded, you're suddenly not shooting 4 times better because you resolve to not shake your gun when being charged.
It's ridiculous that a Lion's Blade suddenly becomes a malus...

Spoletta wrote:

 SRSFACE wrote:
Blind specifically states the model is WS/BS1 until end of their next turn. Grim Resolve modifies Snap Firing for the purpose of Overwatch, but if you were blinded, it would not matter as you are straight up BS1 until end of your next turn.

In other words, Blind takes precedence.

The question is slightly different though, since overwatch does not use the model BS to resolve the attack.

Grim Resolve with Lions blade says overwatch is fired at full BS. Not at BS 4 it specificalyl says full (or normal, one of the two). At that point, IMO its BS1 while blinded.

A better argument is made for battlecompany that specifically says BS3 or Grim resolve that says BS2. However, I think it would be resolved by the rule of rule conflicts.

While playing Warhammer 40,000, you’ll occasionally find that two or more rules are to be resolved at the same time – normally ‘at the start of the Movement phase’ or similar. When this happens, and the wording is not explicit as to which rule is resolved first, then the player whose turn it is chooses the order.


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 Thairne wrote:

I guess it's the same issue with the RWSF and flyers - "deploy normally". It all depends on how you interpret "normal". RAW is not clear., no clear case can be made in either way.
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That argument is just ridiculous. Deployed Normally for a flyer is in reserve, end of story. Everything non-flyer is deployed on the board, the flyers in reserve.

Same of the arguement for the DWSF dread drop pod...there is no argument, it arrives on the turn chosen for the DW assault, NOT on turn 1.

Why would blind take precedence over a codex special rule?

Why would blind take precedence over a codex special rule?

It wouldn't. And they don't RAW conflict, though an argument could be made they RAI conflict. RAW they don't. That blinded tactical marine holding a Plasma Cannon has a BS of 1, fires his overwatch at a BS of 2(or 3 or a REALLY muddled number) and has to do so with his bolt pistol because it's STILL an overwatch snap shot and he can't use a blast weapon.

Its more the "normal overwatch" being affected argument that i disagree with

And I can see both sides of that one. If this was a computer game rather than a miniatures one, I could easily see it being coded to revert to the stat line BS, which would - at that point- be 1. It would be ironic and non-sensical for a more restrictive choice for a rules benefit to backfire in that manner, but I could see it.