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 djones520 wrote:
We need an update to the thread title. It was a US Airmen, and a National Guardsmen (no word if Army or Airforce) that detained the man. There was no Marines involved. The Airman was the man who initially attacked the guy, but received multiple lacerations from the the knife the attacker had.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/22/3-us-servicemen-describe-terrifying-attack-on-european-train/?intcmp=hpbt1

I'll do it tonight. Too busy atm.

Yeah was about to say, they werent Marines lol. Apparrently the Jarhead Propaganda Machine is so good that theyre getting credit for what the other services do now (oh wait, thats been the case for years).

They acted as a heroes. It's called "sacrifice".

Good all survived the event although some people got severly harmed

More info and interviews with the involved persons from the US and Britain

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/index.html

http://news.sky.com/story/1539905/us-soldier-how-we-stopped-train-gunman

True bravery indeed

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah was about to say, they werent Marines lol. Apparrently the Jarhead Propaganda Machine is so good that theyre getting credit for what the other services do now (oh wait, thats been the case for years).

someone is jealous

Maybe just a little, the Corps idiotic tattoo policy precludes me from going to OCS.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Maybe just a little, the Corps idiotic tattoo policy precludes me from going to OCS.

don't get me wrong, it is incredibly hard, but their is a waiver for everything. You just have to have 2 things going for you. Being a top tier officer recruit AND knowing an officer recruiter who will go to bat for you. Congressmen/High ranking marine endorsements help.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/index.html

'Murrica... Our medics will kick your " Holy Warriors' '" asses up and down the block!

 whembly wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/index.html

'Murrica... Our medics will kick your " Holy Warriors' '" asses up and down the block!

They have a calm demeanor



Also



Still though. Combat Medic eh.....I see a few atta boy's and a impact award like a ARCOM

As an E-3, yeah he'll probably get a Commendation Medal. The military is still stupid about that stuff.

I served here as a SWO NCOIC for a 7 battalion JOINT brigade, covering 54 aircraft, over a thousand Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen, spread across 4 bases across the entire country, in a unit that provides 70% of ISR for the entire war, and was told that my job didn't cover enough scope to warrant an MSM.

The military just has its head up its ass regarding medals and rank.

A couple quotes from the Brit I just have to post.

First a little AF pride
"Spencer, though wounded, went to help the passenger who was cut in his neck, applying pressure to stop the bleeding"

Second
""My thought was, 'OK, I'm probably going to die anyway, so let's go.' I'd rather die being active, trying to get him down, then simply sit in the corner and be shot."

Logically he was right, still doesn't change the courage it took.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
It's not the first time Marines have saved Paris.

I'll assume for a moment this will have rather less of an impact on the French gene-pool, though

You say that now, but just wait until they get out of the Hospital.....

In the tens of thousands, to match the previous record? Not even the French are quite that promiscuous

 djones520 wrote:
As an E-3, yeah he'll probably get a Commendation Medal. The military is still stupid about that stuff.

I served here as a SWO NCOIC for a 7 battalion JOINT brigade, covering 54 aircraft, over a thousand Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen, spread across 4 bases across the entire country, in a unit that provides 70% of ISR for the entire war, and was told that my job didn't cover enough scope to warrant an MSM.

The military just has its head up its ass regarding medals and rank.

Deployed I spent 2 months developing a target and finally found out everything about him, such as his name, residence, and where in the chain of command he was in the Taliban, (Assistant SDG) Convinced our British allies to launch a night raid on him and they killed him and his entire taliban cell with a few well placed helicopters. I got told to stop wasting my time by my Lieutenant, because when they killed him he was in the British AO and not ours. Got thanked profusely by GCHQ because they had dropped intel on this guy months before and was responsible for the deaths of several British soldiers.

And at the same time after our deployment I got a LOC (Letter of Commendation) and our idiot Motor T Chief got a NAC (Naval Achievement Medal) For keeping our vehicles running.

It heard, AK was jammed after several shots. How it is possbile?

The AK has a legendary reputation for reliably, and it's mostly well-earned, but it's just a machine. It's not some magic rod that never, ever fails. It could have been badly made, badly maintained, damaged, bad ammo, a case could have gotten stuck in the chamber, or any one of the many other reasons any other gun can jam.

Ouze wrote:
The AK has a legendary reputation for reliably, and it's mostly well-earned, but it's just a machine. It's not some magic rod that never, ever fails. It could have been badly made, badly maintained, damaged, bad ammo, a case could have gotten stuck in the chamber, or any one of the many other reasons any other gun can jam.

Amateur user, poor ammunition, dirt.



There was an unnamed Frenchman who was from some reports the first to tackle the terrorist, alone, in a different carriage, and got fethed up for it, or so it appears.

At least on my AK, with some magazines it can be a little finicky to seat the magazine properly. So yeah, inexperienced user is surely a strong possibility.

I guess inexperienced help is an occupational hazard with suicide attackers.

 Freakazoitt wrote:
It heard, AK was jammed after several shots. How it is possbile?

In the US, it's surprisingly common for guns recovered from criminals have magazines containing ammunition that is either inserted backwards or of the wrong caliber for the weapon. It could be the case here.

 Alex C wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
It heard, AK was jammed after several shots. How it is possbile?

In the US, it's surprisingly common for guns recovered from criminals have magazines containing ammunition that is either inserted backwards or of the wrong caliber for the weapon. It could be the case here.

How...is that possible?
Isn't it obvious that the bullets go towards the muzzle?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


How...is that possible?
Isn't it obvious that the bullets go towards the muzzle?

If the scumbag was stupid enough to think to try and ask for his gun back from his intended victims, inserting bullets incorrectly sounds more logically plausible than that.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
It heard, AK was jammed after several shots. How it is possbile?

In the US, it's surprisingly common for guns recovered from criminals have magazines containing ammunition that is either inserted backwards or of the wrong caliber for the weapon. It could be the case here.

How...is that possible?
Isn't it obvious that the bullets go towards the muzzle?

To you and I, yes. But to gang-bangers still flying high off their last hit maybe not so much.

I've read several articles in firearm/self-defense publications that talk about recovered criminal armament and police evidence lockers full of jam-o-matics, improvised/home-made firearms, improperly repaired/maintained guns and incompatible caliber/weapon match-ups. Apparently getting your gat from larry the crackhead doesn't always net you a reliable shooter, even amongst weapon types noted for reliability.

There are people that think raising the rear leaf sight all the way increases the power of the bullet, so putting cartridges the wrong way around in the magazine seems plausible in comparison...

I distinctly remember going to the range to fire a CMP course (combat marksmanship) and we had nothing but Marines (obviously) who had finished boot camp and MCT (Marine Combat Training). So they had at the very least been on the range practicing with weapons for about a month. And yet even with this we had two females and a particularly stupid boot who were all attempting to load magazines backwards. We also Had a really stupid boot who thought that Condition 4 meant having a round in the chamber but not a magazine inserted.

I think this is where hazing would have been a good remedial action for these tool bags.

 Alex C wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:
It heard, AK was jammed after several shots. How it is possbile?

magazines containing ammunition that is inserted backwards

I can't even comprehend such stupidity. That is on the same level as pointing the wrong end of the gun towards the enemy, or looking into the barrel to see why the gun isn't firing
I guess it is easier with a straight mag than with a curved one, but still.
This is hilarious.

 CptJake wrote:

beatings, many of them.....

 CptJake wrote:

...this is tech-heresy.

At least the caliber is correct

Gunman says he just wanted to rob people and is not a terrorist.

I am sure we all believe this.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I distinctly remember going to the range to fire a CMP course (combat marksmanship) and we had nothing but Marines (obviously) who had finished boot camp and MCT (Marine Combat Training). So they had at the very least been on the range practicing with weapons for about a month. And yet even with this we had two females and a particularly stupid boot who were all attempting to load magazines backwards. We also Had a really stupid boot who thought that Condition 4 meant having a round in the chamber but not a magazine inserted.

I think this is where hazing would have been a good remedial action for these tool bags.

When I went through boot camp we had about a 30% attrition rate. For no reason known to me, we had one recruit, who was dumber than a box of rocks, graduate. As Series Secretary I happened to notice his reports on the DI's desk and he was literally listed in the report as so stupid he was dangerous to himself and others.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

...this is tech-heresy.

Never use a 50 cal round to beat a pin into position either