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 Ahtman wrote:
Gunman says he just wanted to rob people and is not a terrorist.

I am sure we all believe this.

I find cases with assault rifles in the park all the time. Seems legit to me. :1

 Freakazoitt wrote:
It heard, AK was jammed after several shots. How it is possbile?

- Poor ammunition
- Magazine inserted incorrectly
- Faulty magazine
- old ammo
- faulty primer
- Mechanical fault with the rifle
- Improperly maintained
- Interference with the charging handle during operation preventing a new round being fully chambered, or bolt not returning to battery


The AK series of rifles is reliable, but that does not make it flawless


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 Ahtman wrote:
Gunman says he just wanted to rob people and is not a terrorist.

I am sure we all believe this.

Because most robbers are known for shooting up their victims before trying to rob them.....

 Jihadin wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

...this is tech-heresy.

Never use a 50 cal round to beat a pin into position either

Oh wow, that happened?
That's Darwin Award material

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

How...is that possible?
Isn't it obvious that the bullets go towards the muzzle?

Oh, it can happen....

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

How...is that possible?
Isn't it obvious that the bullets go towards the muzzle?

Oh, it can happen....

German engineering at its finest. The bullet clearly circulates from behind and enters the firing chamber


According to one source, the gun in that picture is a Sig Sauer.
I don't know much about pistol brands, so I wouldn't know. I just know the basic mechanics of a fire arm.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Oh wow, that happened?
That's Darwin Award material

Not Darwin Award, but I saw the pictures and it may have hurt a wee bit. When striking the pin with the round the primer was set off, and outside of the chamber of a firearm rated for 12.7x99mm rounds the detonation caused significant damage to the hand.

I've seen pictures on that dude that tried to beat the 50's flex mount pins in place with a 50 round. Mangled his hand pretty good the dingbat.

I knew a guy that dropped a 5.56 round on the ground, it must of landed just right because it went off. Fired the round straight at him, hit him in mag pouches and got stopped by a magazine.

Im getting fething tired of these mother fething Terrorists on this mother fething train!

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I knew a guy that dropped a 5.56 round on the ground, it must of landed just right because it went off. Fired the round straight at him, hit him in mag pouches and got stopped by a magazine.

It probably wouldn't haven't done much damage even if it hit him on bare skin. A bullet that didn't go through a barrel has almost no velocity. The case is probably more dangerous in that situation.

Ouze wrote:
It probably wouldn't haven't done much damage even if it hit him on bare skin. A bullet that didn't go through a barrel has almost no velocity. The case is probably more dangerous in that situation.

Yup. Because there isn't a chamber to channel the pressure and the bullet the case is typically what travels the furthest, and poses the greatest hazard. I had read a story (google-fu is failing) about someone who found a log where holes had been drilled and rounds inserted into the holes, with the bullet facing out. The alleged idea was that this log would find its way into a camp fire, the log would heat up, the round would detonate, and the log would hold the case allowing the bullet to travel.

It may have come from this:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19760706&id=T_xjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lOYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4539,1574739&hl=en

A guy in New Zealand who was protecting his firewood in the 70's. Hopefully the idea of someone leaving logs like that with the intention of people finding them an urban myth from this as it is just frightening!

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

- Interference with the charging handle during operation preventing a new round being fully chambered, or bolt not returning to battery.

I do this all the time, especially with my target air rifle. Under the stress of a difficult shot it is too easy for me to be concentrating on my shot to much and forget to ensure that I have fully closed the bolt. That thunk and puff of air in my face is fething annoying! I could quite see how some wannabe jihadists who has hardly used a rifle could do something like that. Fortunately most of them are dumb and not well trained. That's why they worry me far less than the IRA did or someone like Anders Breivik. Most of them are dumbasses playing at soldiers with anger issues.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Gunman says he just wanted to rob people and is not a terrorist.

I am sure we all believe this.

Because most robbers are known for shooting up their victims before trying to rob them.....

It's not a totally unreasonable claim. A French passenger spotted him and tried to disarm him, shots were fired and people started running. Maybe he panicked? It wouldn't be the first robber who lost his script when things didn't go as he planned.

But great job disarming the man, and extra respect for helping the wounded even when you've received injuries yourself. This is almost as epic as that lone gurkha on a train with a score of robbers. ;-)

As for an AK rifle jamming it can happen if you've been sloppy loading the magazine (or it's a crappy magazine) or manage to catch the charging handle on something when running around in tight quarters. You might have dirt in the gas blowback hole which means the bolt won't cycle properly. And ofc, some models don't take too well to surplus military ammo (or it might be bad ammo). .

Spetulhu wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Gunman says he just wanted to rob people and is not a terrorist.

I am sure we all believe this.

Because most robbers are known for shooting up their victims before trying to rob them.....

It's not a totally unreasonable claim. A French passenger spotted him and tried to disarm him, shots were fired and people started running. Maybe he panicked? It wouldn't be the first robber who lost his script when things didn't go as he planned.

Which is totally why he took 8 magazines, a pistol and a knife.
He certainly wasn't planning on using them

Spetulhu wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Gunman says he just wanted to rob people and is not a terrorist.

I am sure we all believe this.

Because most robbers are known for shooting up their victims before trying to rob them.....

It's not a totally unreasonable claim. A French passenger spotted him and tried to disarm him, shots were fired and people started running. Maybe he panicked? It wouldn't be the first robber who lost his script when things didn't go as he planned.

But great job disarming the man, and extra respect for helping the wounded even when you've received injuries yourself. This is almost as epic as that lone gurkha on a train with a score of robbers. ;-)

As for an AK rifle jamming it can happen if you've been sloppy loading the magazine (or it's a crappy magazine) or manage to catch the charging handle on something when running around in tight quarters. You might have dirt in the gas blowback hole which means the bolt won't cycle properly. And ofc, some models don't take too well to surplus military ammo (or it might be bad ammo). .

Or it's not actually a kalashnikov but a cheap version made in Nigeria or Pakistan from tinfoil and coke cans.

Ouze wrote:
In OP's defense, it was reported everywhere yesterday as Marines.

Because that's how reporting now works.

This is why I usually wait to give a frack when news breaks, the info is ALWAYS incorrect. Sometimes by so much the whole story is different from yesterday to today

 KingCracker wrote:

Ouze wrote:
In OP's defense, it was reported everywhere yesterday as Marines.

Because that's how reporting now works.

This is why I usually wait to give a frack when news breaks, the info is ALWAYS incorrect. Sometimes by so much the whole story is different from yesterday to today

I really hate that though, and its not the left wing news nor the right wing news and its not the unbiased news. ITS ALL NEWS. what happened to the days of responsible reporting, when if they didn't know a fact they would just omit that piece of information until it was found out one way or the other? Wouldn't a better title for that news release (Before it was found out wtf was going on) have been "Possible terror attack averted" and then when they found out who did what and when they could have changed it. Why name Marines on day 1, Army day two and then for us to find out it was an airmen and a national guardsmen who did it

When was this day of supposed responsible reporting? Go back to major events-the Kennedy shooting are en excellent example. The reporting is always garbage initially, and sometimes just garbage.

Yellow journalism has gotten us into one war (Spanish American War) and potentially two others (Serbia, Iraq 1)

 Frazzled wrote:
When was this day of supposed responsible reporting? Go back to major events-the Kennedy shooting are en excellent example. The reporting is always garbage initially, and sometimes just garbage.

Yellow journalism has gotten us into one war (Spanish American War) and potentially two others (Serbia, Iraq 1)

Serbia?
I remember seeing the new footage playing on TV about Mogadishu and feel news media influence heavily into that decision for the UN and Clinton decision.
Serbia? Get mixed up with Bosnia and Kosovo?

 Jihadin wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
When was this day of supposed responsible reporting? Go back to major events-the Kennedy shooting are en excellent example. The reporting is always garbage initially, and sometimes just garbage.

Yellow journalism has gotten us into one war (Spanish American War) and potentially two others (Serbia, Iraq 1)

Serbia?
I remember seeing the new footage playing on TV about Mogadishu and feel news media influence heavily into that decision for the UN and Clinton decision.
Serbia? Get mixed up with Bosnia and Kosovo?

Considering it was Serbia being bombed, I call it Serbia.

 Frazzled wrote:
When was this day of supposed responsible reporting? Go back to major events-the Kennedy shooting are en excellent example. The reporting is always garbage initially, and sometimes just garbage. )

Yeah, I'd like to say that that it's a modern phenomenon since it seems to have gotten worse in the last decade. But then I think....

I am pleased to see that all four of the good guys, to use a familiar term, have been awarded the Legion d'honneur in a ceremony today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34037580

Good job.

So is nobody going to give credit to a College Senior and a Professor for also taking part in this? Seriously, all of the headlines are screaming 'TWO US SERVICEMEN (and often misnaming their branches!) SAVE TRAIN' without noting that the college student, their friend, was every bit a part of this, and two others (including an American Professor) were also involved in seizing the gun.

 Killionaire wrote:
So is nobody going to give credit to a College Senior and a Professor for also taking part in this? Seriously, all of the headlines are screaming 'TWO US SERVICEMEN (and often misnaming their branches!) SAVE TRAIN' without noting that the college student, their friend, was every bit a part of this, and two others (including an American Professor) were also involved in seizing the gun.

Those others also recieved the Legion d'honneur, so I'd say that someone is giving them credit.


Just goes to show that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is four good guys who will take his gun by force, repeatedly beat said bad guy over the head with the gun, and then hog tie him.


Well, maybe not the only thing, but it's definitely one of the most awesome methods.


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 Steve steveson wrote:
Or it's not actually a kalashnikov but a cheap version made in Nigeria or Pakistan from tinfoil and coke cans.

I'm guessing a very large proportion of AK-47s in terrorist hands are not actually Kalashnikovs, but gakky copies. Actual Russian-made Kalashnikovs are probably relatively expensive.

Pretty sure they have Orders 30 sec's after being awarded that honor to wear with their dress uniforms

I read this entire thread. Perhaps I too should get some sort of recognition, being the hero that I am, having kept up with this discussion.

 Ahtman wrote:
I read this entire thread. Perhaps I too should get some sort of recognition, being the hero that I am, having kept up with this discussion.

You're right. I award you the Legion d'inteurnettes!

I was talking to an Airmen today at the gym and he found it hilarious that France awarded their highest honor to these guys. Different countries different award requirements I guess, don't get me wrong, im well aware a lot of this is due to politics and international politics, but still. Would we give these guys the Medal of Honor if they did this in America? probably not, they would definitely get a bronze star, maybe even a silver star but I don't see them even getting the Navy cross let alone the CMH.

Well, can the medal of Honor be given to a non-citizen?(if we reverse the situation).

Many of our awards have strict qualifying criteria. Other countries are less discriminating in who can received awards.

And I think the Medal of Honor has much stricter criteria than what they are getting anyway.

The Medal can't even be won by an American civilian, let alone a foreigner.

Also, to point out - while this is the 'highest honor' France awards; this is at the lowest grade. There are four grades above chevalier at which this can be assigned.

The US Medal of Honor is for military service only, isn't it? The French can give their Legion for civilian or military service.

A foreigner, military or not, who did something like this in the US would probably receive a Presidential or Congress medal, not a military one.