Poll: 40k AoS style rewrite. What do you do?

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**jreilly89**

feth it, try it at least once or twice. What have I got to lose?

**KnuckleWolf**

Waow. That's insane. The only thing AoS is freaking with is summoning which has been pretty well stomped with the no summons house rule where needed. Compared to what is going on in 40k right now, I think I like the balance of AoS a lot more. Weird. :/ Unbound? Like seriously? Bummer. :(

Any comments on an alternative to points? Of some nature?

**Ratius**

Give it a whirl, nothing to lose. If it dosent work out, play an earlier edition.

**War Kitten**

I would be willing to try it. I pride myself on not jumping to conclusions about new edtitions and games before I've tried them myself, so I would try it.

**KnuckleWolf**

~12 hour analysis

Lots of votes for 'Try it'. Seventy three votes in to the poll, 'Never touch' is at just over 50%. Result ratio has been fairly constant.

Next check point at ~24hr

**drunken0elf**

They dun goofed fantasy.

If they dun goof 40K people are gonna get real mad.

**Davor**

I would try it and see what happens. Who knows it could be fun.

**Noir**

Get to play Warpath more as the 40k only player do what the WHFB only player did and realize the game they figured was shallow has more tactical depth then the GW game they play that got squated.

**CrashGordon94**

Peregrine wrote:
Never play it, keep playing an older edition if there are enough opponents available. AoS is an unplayable mess, and 40k version of AoS would be just as bad.

This, 100% this! The only real response.
Is this the third or fourth option on the poll?

KnuckleWolf wrote:
Sounds super sarcastic, but I ask in all seriousness: what's the difference between a game whose point buy system is irrelevant, and a game that doesn't have point buy system at all?

With the former you at least have a rough idea what things are worth and if you need to change stuff you have a starting point.
Without it there goes even the faintest glimmer of hope for that, making it nigh-impossible to even know how much stuff to bring! And homebrew to add points would be a lot more effort intensive than simply adjusting a few wonky ones.

Also remember, with points you can ignore the points but without points you can't play with points.

KnuckleWolf wrote:
Another question: if there was some other arbitrary limiter installed in place of points, would that effect your decision?

Absolutely. Without a balancing mechanic the game is unplayable, with one it might be worth giving a shot.

**Ratius**

Never play it, keep playing an older edition if there are enough opponents available. AoS is an unplayable mess, and 40k version of AoS would be just as bad.

This, 100% this! The only real response.
Is this the third or fourth option on the poll?

Even if it turns out to be quite fun?

I mean you wouldnt even try a game or two?
Look, I get the jaded with GW thing. I think everyone on here does (or maybe we just dont bother anymore

) but you'd write off an entire system which anecdotely via even this forums's evidence has been quite fun (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/664468.page 140 replies - 4000 vews) and just say "FU GW?".

I just cannot wrap my head around the logic

**CrashGordon94**

Ratius wrote:
Even if it turns out to be quite fun?

Impossible.

Ratius wrote:
I mean you wouldnt even try a game or two?
Look, I get the jaded with GW thing. I think everyone on here does (or maybe we just dont bother anymore ) but you'd write off an entire system which anecdotely via even this forums's evidence has been quite fun (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/664468.page 140 replies - 4000 vews) and just say "FU GW?".

I just cannot wrap my head around the logic

I most certainly wouldn't try it. Given the models I'd use them for something else or sell them, given the rules I'd sell them off or bin them.
No need to bother when it's basically literally unplayable, I wouldn't even know what to use. Without the points cost I have no idea what a Black Knight or a Vindicator is "worth" and thus I wouldn't even know what to bring and what to put in my army.
and the whole thing is a garbage idea that fully encompasses everything wrong with GW's current attitude to boot.

**amanita**

Kilkrazy wrote:
I presume that an AoS style rewrite of 40K would involve free rules and codexes, so I would be on it like badgers on a toupet.

There are two main things that scared me away from 40K, the price and the increasing complexity and crappiness of the rules.

Really? Why?
Free garbage is still garbage.

**Kilkrazy**

Free garbage is much better than very expensive garbage.

**CrashGordon94**

amanita wrote:

Really? Why?
Free garbage is still garbage.

What are you talking about? The AOS ruleset is a bargain!

A £0 value, all for free if you order the starter kit now!

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Kilkrazy wrote:
Free garbage is much better than very expensive garbage.

But worse than somewhat pricey mediocrity.

**Ratius**

Ratius wrote:
Even if it turns out to be quite fun?

Impossible.

Ratius wrote:
I mean you wouldnt even try a game or two?
Look, I get the jaded with GW thing. I think everyone on here does (or maybe we just dont bother anymore ) but you'd write off an entire system which anecdotely via even this forums's evidence has been quite fun (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/664468.page 140 replies - 4000 vews) and just say "FU GW?".

I just cannot wrap my head around the logic

I most certainly wouldn't try it. Given the models I'd use them for something else or sell them, given the rules I'd sell them off or bin them.
No need to bother when it's basically literally unplayable, I wouldn't even know what to use. Without the points cost I have no idea what a Black Knight or a Vindicator is "worth" and thus I wouldn't even know what to bring and what to put in my army.
and the whole thing is a garbage idea that fully encompasses everything wrong with GW's current attitude to boot.

Not much to rebutt here. Apples and Oranges most likely. I acknowledge your viewpoint. Just dont agree at all.

**Lobokai**

I'd be thrilled.... try it

Worse case secnario.... buy 40k stuff cheap on eBay and then play a house ruled 7th ed without worry of more codex creep.

House rules:
Kroot +1 A
TDA +1 Wound
DE skimmers: can move 12" and still unload DE units
WK limited to one on table at a time
All ignore cover that is not template just forces successful saves to reroll
Nids can assault when outflanking
Use ITC army construction rules

**CrashGordon94**

Ratius wrote:
Not much to rebutt here.

Of course there is! How isn't there?

**Ratius**

Of course there is! How isn't there?

Yikes!!!!

Me: I mean you wouldnt even try a game or two?

You: I most certainly wouldn't try it.

Me: Even if it turns out to be quite fun?

You: Impossible.

(I gave up after this mate - thats not personal at all

I just dont know what to say!)

"Hey, I have a girl friend that is single - will you meet her?"
- nope
"Why is that?"
- she has a bad history
"Maybe but her other boyfriends said she was great - just not for them"
- pfff wouldnt touch her
"Shes definitely changed though- really new outlook and ideas"
- pffff her sister was the same

I dunno Bro, I cant think of a more intelectual analogy right now - been a long night of drinking (Blacksails - you not in here?)

**CrashGordon94**

How about instead of that, you just answer the question?

**Ratius**

How about instead of that, you just answer the question?

What would you do with a Age of Sigmar style rewrite?

?

This? Thought I already did

Post Fri, 09/Oct/2015 05:24:53 PM Subject: Reoll: 40k AoS style rewrite. What do you do?
Give it a whirl, nothing to lose. If it dosent work out, play an earlier edition.

**CrashGordon94**

No I meant mine.

**Ratius**

Going to have to repost it Bro, lost amongst the flotsum here.

**CrashGordon94**

My mistake, thought you said "not much to rebuild here", i.e. saying AOS doesn't have much in need of fixing. I questioned how that would be the case.

**Ratius**

My mistake, thought you said "not much to rebuild here", i.e. saying AOS doesn't have much in need of fixing. I questioned how that would be the case.

Fair enough, Im not getting into an AoS=good/bad/bollox debate.

The AoS subforum will likely tell you everything you need to know.

However....I would/still/will/could ask is AoS broke?

Thats subjective.....

**Formosa**

having played AOS a fair amount, all I can say is that its a hot mess, it needs a lot of work to... work, the game is far too easy to abuse, even creating a simple set of list building rules would work wonders at this point.

so to answer the question, id try it, if its the same mess that AOS is, im afraid id have to leave the game behind, like ive now left fantasy behind, ive given my whole collection to my niece, who infact loves the game, which is fair enough

**CrashGordon94**

Anything that can't even be played unless you extensively house-rule is absolutely broken.

**Ratius**

Anything that can't even be played unless you extensively house-rule is absolutely broken.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/list.page

(AoS subforum)

170,000 posts later (general, tactics, lists) - in utter isolation of Dakka's Bubble, would say otherwise.....

Sure, not all of them are positive but you know what?

We're probably Polar oppositees anyway. Slán Leat

**loki old fart**

Ignore it, play an earlier edition

**CrashGordon94**

And the fact that you don't have any balancing mechanic and thus no way whatsoever of knowing what to bring and use kills that flat.

**Xca|iber**

Vaktathi wrote:
If they redid 40k as they did Fantasy, like exactly?

I don't think I'd bother with it much. AoS felt (like much of what GW does these days), lazy to the point of actually going out of its way to be lazy, and I haven't seen it do anything to revive WHFB.

Now, I'd be all for a 40k reboot a-la 2E/3E. I think the game is a bloated, unfocused mess that does nothing well, and could very much use a reboot, but I don't think an AoS style reboot is the answer.

What he said ^^

The concept of rebooting 40k back to its small-scale skirmish roots, with a better-crafted system for up-scaling games (to include more vehicles, big tanks, LoW, flyers, fortifications, and so on) would be awesome. However, just replacing everything with half-baked rules, throwing out all the lore from the past 30 years (replacing it with more of the same kiddie-power-fantasy BS we've gotten for the last couple editions), and removing all system of balance except "Eh, figure it out" is a terrible solution.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
The idea that GW learned nothing from AOS is nonsense.

GW will simplify 40k at some point, because 7E is a bloated mess that is at odds with the gaming culture that the promote.

I'd expect 40k to adopt from AOS:
* a radically simplified core ruleset
* simplified unit Datafaxes with all of their details and rules on the page
* dicing for turn initiative
These are GOOD changes and help balance the game.

I'd expect 40k to retain:
* core 40k universe setting
* $50+ full-color Codices with loads of Fluff and pictures
* basic point costs for units and key options
* army formations
There is no reason for GW to change any of this, as the current 40k universe still makes money for GW.

You say that, and it is logical... but I just can't really believe with 100% certainty that they'll actually follow through in a way that's good for the game (regarding stuff they should retain, i.e. setting, points, etc).