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Posted By logan007 on 01/13/2007 6:34 AM

Posted By jlmb_123 on 01/13/2007 5:07 AM
On another note with the Legions, why do the SW and DA still have enmity toward each other, when Russ supposedly left to search for his lost friend Lion El'Johnson (it still makes me cringe to use that name)?

I imagine that's because he didn't.


EDIT: no one knows where he went, he just upped and left. Though, I would guess that going to look for  Lionel 'Sucker punch" El'Johnson probably wasn't at the top of his list of things to do.

My bet is that he is hiding under the couch since the only brothers that live are daemon princes that could eat (and would eat) him alive.  Death to the Imperium!  Death to the false emperor of man!

Maybe he went on a 1000 year bender and is in some distant solar system with a massive hangover?

yep, that sounds like Leman Russ alright....

this reminds me that I always wanted to convert me a Mortarion.....

But if you started playing with rouge trader like I did then you know that Rogal Dorn died of old age. 1500 years old to be exactish [if you can be exact-ish] - I can't find that white dwarf right now. [It was mid second edition.]

They said his skeleton was entombed in the 'hall of heroes' in The Emperor's Palace on Terra for all to see. Some sort of plexiglass construct like when you view really old gak at the English Natural History musium.

However this has been Retcon'd out of the the world and now Dorn died or 'dissappeared' when he swung his ship around to stop a chaos fleet from killing everything. [Cos last stands are cool.] Only his hands were found. Which, if he lived through that I don't see how useful he would actually be to anyone seeing as he's now a nubby Primarch. He can't pick anything up and he can't point effectively. But pay attention to GW fluff at your own risk. It's either really badly written or contradicts itself all the time....

Hmmm... I guess GW and the Bible have something in common after all. Crazy game store guy was right.

just like the DA fluff about them being sort of like warrior Native american types etc.

thats why the deathwing have little feathers duh...

If i ever do a DA army they are all gonna be tanned like the majority of native american tribes.

Also there was some pretty good snovelletes on the native American side.

Posted By Sgt.Roadkill on 05/09/2006 3:53 PM


Alpharius is also dead I think it was from the Alpha Legion Index astartes.

If you had read the whole article, you would know that the evidence that portrays his death is viewed as highly suspect. Even the Ultramarines dispute it, and portrays their Primarch quite favourably.

We just don't know for certain.

Posted By beef on 05/20/2006 8:08 AM

it is a crack of poo, never belive GW staff they make up things just for fun,  actually Sanguinius did fight the Bloodthirter but got stunned by him and saw the bloodthirster standing over him.  so sang said to him cmon lets ave it (not actual quote but similer) and the bloodthirster said  i will let you live manling and your legs will heal but this wound will always fester.  so then the bloodthirster runs  or flys off but not before killing 500 bloodangles along his path,  the sudden seath of so many of his kids knocks sanguinius unconcious.  the blood thirters name was KA'BANDHA i think.

 

Can you give a reference for that? Where is it from? Sounds like a good read.

As i said in the old thread.. there are solid proof that  Lion El'jonson is still alive and breething. About lost ones who knows, and for all i know Russ could still be fighting deamons in a ocean of blood and gut's in the warp.

@fourgangers its from the Horus heresy artbooks, its in the third one.

I hate how everyone thinks Alpharius is dead.. cause the IA said so!

Alpharius is like the devil..

the_trooper wrote:

Posted By logan007 on 01/13/2007 6:34 AM

Posted By jlmb_123 on 01/13/2007 5:07 AM
On another note with the Legions, why do the SW and DA still have enmity toward each other, when Russ supposedly left to search for his lost friend Lion El'Johnson (it still makes me cringe to use that name)?

I imagine that's because he didn't.


EDIT: no one knows where he went, he just upped and left. Though, I would guess that going to look for  Lionel 'Sucker punch" El'Johnson probably wasn't at the top of his list of things to do.

My bet is that he is hiding under the couch since the only brothers that live are daemon princes that could eat (and would eat) him alive.  Death to the Imperium!  Death to the false emperor of man!

Or he could be off in the warp somewhere tryin to whip his 13th legion back into line, I could easilly see gw pulling a cheap shot like that halfway through a campaign to give the Imperium a win (release new models including a Russ model halfway through a summer tourny claiming that Russ came back just like he said he would (he didnt leave like Foxys fosterdad))

On another note, any of the questionable primarchs return would be pretty schweet, specially seeing as most of the mia primarchs would be returning from the warp (presumably) and would have some pretty freaky new skilz as a result

I'm pretty sure The Lion is in one of the cells deep within the Rock, or ruins of Caliban. Personally the only DA I want to see more of is Cypher.

I seem to remember reading that the bones of Rogal Dorn's right hand are entombed in their little flying fortress, and every Chapter master, upon ascension to the position, engraves his name on them.

No idea where that came from, though.

Sounds reasonable enough. That one Fist dude from The Inquisition War trilogy was big on scrimshawing on dead comerades' bones...hell, on his own too!

Side note: That series was such a disappointment by the end...

Leman Russ left to look for the Lion as they had made up post-Heresy. They actually fought again and the Lion stabbed him with a chainsword. While Russ was recovering the Lion apologized and the two swore to not fight anymore. Some time later the Lion left for Caliban.

This was from the since gone 40k Fluff Bible.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Celtic Strike wrote:But if you started playing with rouge trader like I did then you know that Rogal Dorn died of old age. 1500 years old to be exactish [if you can be exact-ish] - I can't find that white dwarf right now.

If the Fallen DA can still live in the 41st millenium, eventhough they lived while "Russ was still walking under the stars", they need to be 10 000 years old, which would fit the "primarchs and first generation space marines were immortal" hypothesis. It's hard to believe that a Primarch wouldn't outlive a Fallen.

Also, reading the fluff and seeing my primarch heroes fall one by one is kind of tragic. 40k ruined my tender soul! The only thing that makes me cling on to 40k is the possibility of my favorite hero still being alive.

In one version of fluff, the Fallen were dropped through time and space via warp rifts. So they're around in the 41st milleu, but not necessarily 10,000 years old.

First generation can't be immortal, only Bjorn is from the time of the Heresy, and he's intombed.

GuyWithHorns wrote:I'm pretty sure The Lion is in one of the cells deep within the Rock, or ruins of Caliban. Personally the only DA I want to see more of is Cypher.

True story. Cypher is probably one of the coolest characters I've ever read about. Anyone know a good source of stories/fluff about him?

Yea some people say Cypher is Lionel himself in disguise, preparing for the ascendance of the emperor. Basically he believes that the way to best help the imperium right now would be to kill the emperor, and free his spirit. he would then be born again in the warp as the star child, becoming the next chaos god, and whoop some serious @$$ on those other pansy gods in the warp.

some other people think that Cypher is that guy (name i forgot) who fought Lionel, and big bad lion man is in the center of "the rock" the ark angel planet and all. but i like the first story much better

Those who say he is the lion in disguise would be wrong as actual fluff states he is in the rock and only the emp knows about that. as for cyper being the guy that fought him on caliban, well thats luthor and he is in the rock as well, once again proven fluff not thoery.

As for bjorn being the only good guy alive from the heresy time well thats due to him being in a dred and also time flows differently in the warp. Marines dont die of old age they die through battle. Thereis no way to disprove that a marine cant live for 10,000 years. Obvi

jlmb_123 wrote:The reason the SM's in the HH books are said to be immortal is that none if them have yet died of age. They hadn't been in existence for long enough for anybody to make observations. Otherwise, there probably would be a few (very few) loyal SM's from the crusade still around. Death isn't particularly selective, and in combat you're just as likely to take a bullet on your first mission as somebody on their 100th.

And I can't see the Primarch's returning. The Gulliman thing is a legend within the game, not a piece of 'factual' fluff, and the Primarch's who said they'd return were probably posturing. It's not like saying "I'm just popping to the loo, I'll be back now".

On another note with the Legions, why do the SW and DA still have enmity toward each other, when Russ supposedly left to search for his lost friend Lion El'Johnson (it still makes me cringe to use that name)?

There actually are a few SM's from the crusades still around. They are, however, in dreadnoughts..... anyone remember the guys name? And the DA and SW have enmity towards eachother still because they are like children, each one thinking that their "dad" is better than the other.

Of course, this whole conversation just got a little more complicated after the events of 'Legion'.

Why is Angron the only primarch who routinely leaves the warp. He's the only traitor primarch who still leads crusades into Imperial space. Everyone else seems to be happy sitting on their butts on their daemon planets.

I'd actually like to see the 13th Company come back being led by Russ, that would be awesome

A friend of mine said 13th company was lead by some dude called skyrar or something like that

Possibly Sternhammer? I'm not sure why they never made a big deal of the character, but I remember when I bought a box of Wulfen a few years back, the receipt said "Sternhammer's Wulfen" on it. Bit of a puzzler.

Wasn't there a white dwarf article once that detailed the siege of terra and provided stat lines for the primarchs that participated?

Rbb wrote:Why is Angron the only primarch who routinely leaves the warp. He's the only traitor primarch who still leads crusades into Imperial space. Everyone else seems to be happy sitting on their butts on their daemon planets.

Cuz I'm a smooth mutha F***** who loves the p****, and I b**** slapped the other primarchs.

Actually it's because Khorne is the only chaos god who needs battles as a sign of worship. Nurgle worshippers can just sit around..... eventually people are going to die and rot. Tzeentch worshippers just spend their time plotting. Slaneesh worshippers just have to do the hibbidy dibbidy..... only followers of khorne actually have to get up and go do something.

DA and SW don't like each other cos of a story in the DA codex, they had a fight without weapons, just fists (morons) because Johnson killed someone Russ wanted to and being Space marine Primarchs they were to stupid, stubborn etc to make up.

Alpharius dying is interesting as he had a twin, so it could have been either that died when Alpharius suposidly did

The reason that the Space Wolves and the DA still hate each other is because the SW think that Lion Sucker punched Russ while he was laughing at the thought of themselves fighting eachother. Just the thing I could see Russ getting himself into....

As for the Angron thing, I beleive the rest of the Primarchs where banished from normal space. Seeing as in the Grey Hunter book Ragnar uses the spear of Russ to Stop Magnus from being free to walk the galaxy again. And Angron had the luck to be excercised by the enitre first company of Grey Knights during the first Armegeddon War. (Apparently they can stop him and a dozen Greater Bloodthirsters...)