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It should be gargantuan. It is bigger than a heirodule AND the imperial knights. In no way should those smaller units be able to stomp on the wraithknight.

Adjust the points to 395, done.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
It should be gargantuan. It is bigger than a heirodule AND the imperial knights. In no way should those smaller units be able to stomp on the wraithknight.

Adjust the points to 395, done.

430 base and then you're done.

Also while you're at it, add the "Heavy" special rule to all of the Eldar Grav-Tanks to remove their ability to Jink.

430 base is obscene. Making it 5 points cheaper than a knight lancer is all it takes. And why would you be that nonsensical about the skimmers for eldar? Drop their speed to less than a rhino, make them unable to jink damage, and still be over 100 points each?

Don't be obtuse. Nobody is still complaining about waveserpents or falcons.

430 is about fair for how tough it is.

I'd agree about 400ish. Its literally just as durable as a Stormsurge, which costs about 440ish with its 4++ wargear. Stormsurge isnt as beastly in melee though, so theres that.

I would say 395 is a starting point, and if after testing it still feels too low raise it a bit and try again until you find the sweet spot..

BTW Vineheart01 I love your dancing avatar.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I'd agree about 400ish. Its literally just as durable as a Stormsurge, which costs about 440ish with its 4++ wargear. Stormsurge isnt as beastly in melee though, so theres that.

Who cares? It's melee, and Stormsurge still has stomp.

Martel732 wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I'd agree about 400ish. Its literally just as durable as a Stormsurge, which costs about 440ish with its 4++ wargear. Stormsurge isnt as beastly in melee though, so theres that.

Who cares? It's melee, and Stormsurge still has stomp.

Actually it doesnt, least not immediately.

A stormsurge that isnt Anchored via Stabilizers is wasting his time, and while deployed he cannot move or stomp. You have to wait until your movement phase to release them, then a full turn on top of that to regain the Anchored buff.
I for one would really hate having to raise my stabilizers. Obviously i'd do it over being tarpitted but it would still tick me off.

Either way, thats at least 1 round of combat where he cant stomp

And during those two Assault Phases, it's only T6 with 3+/4++/FNP. I mean, yes, that's tough, but also manageable. A Stormsurge is scared of Hammernators or Hammervets. A Wraithknight mostly is not.

Blood-for-the-blood-god wrote:
Anyone got any other thoughts/ suggestions?

Allow them to be taken in squads of 1-3 models, at the same points costs.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Blood-for-the-blood-god wrote:
Anyone got any other thoughts/ suggestions?

Allow them to be taken in squads of 1-3 models, at the same points costs.

No, they need some kind of bonus for taking three.

I think a permanent 4+ Cover save would be cool.

How about in squads of 3 they automatically hit? kappa

Kinda surprised they didnt become squads, unless that started being a trend right after the new eldar dex. I mean, Stormsurges are in squads even though i'd be shocked as hell to see someone do it rofl. Its not only a dollar problem but a point problem to do that.

In light of the Stormsurge, it is possible that the WK's lower cost reflects that it does not squad, in the same way that the IKT's cost reflects that it can be whored out to any IoM force.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
In light of the Stormsurge, it is possible that the WK's lower cost reflects that it does not squad, in the same way that the IKT's cost reflects that it can be whored out to any IoM force.

The IKT's cost reflects the fact that it can be killed by infantry carried weapons that have Melta, Armourbane, or Haywire.
Oh and that it's a vehicle.

The Wraithknight's cost reflects that Phil Kelly likely was allowed to work on the most recent Eldar book.

The WK can be whored out to any list in the game.

Martel732 wrote:
The WK can be whored out to any list in the game.

Not if you're trying to stay battle-forged.

Who cares? The wk is worth it. IKs suck completely compared to mcs and gmcs.

Battle foged? whats that

Many lists can't get a benefit as great as a WK from being battle forged anyway. If I had the models, I'd totally use them with BA. Why not at this point?

Martel732 wrote:
Many lists can't get a benefit as great as a WK from being battle forged anyway. If I had the models, I'd totally use them with BA. Why not at this point?

Because it still looks silly?

Besides, if you're BA, don't you partner with different Xenos?

Looking silly means nothing. Only functionality.

Actually, I didn't mind the BA/Necron team up. It only doesn't make sense in a setting where everyone is slowed.

BA & Necrons being best buds doesn't make sense, ever.

WKs should be Eldars only. IKTs should be IoM, only. Necrons and Nids should be Forever Alone.

I like to think of BA as kinder, gentler souls who are willing to work with others.

Martel732 wrote:
I like to think of BA as kinder, gentler souls who are willing to work with others.

When I think Blood Angels I don't kind and gentle, the whole red thirst and black rage kinda goes against that. Noble maybe, but certainly not kind. The closest chapter I can think of that fit that description are the Salamanders and they still abhor and kill the xenos. This ain't no pansy Star Trek where getting along with aliens is fine!

Martel732 wrote:
I like to think of BA as kinder, gentler souls who are willing to work with others.

No, no. That would be the Black Templars. Totally chill.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I like to think of BA as kinder, gentler souls who are willing to work with others.

No, no. That would be the Black Templars. Totally chill.