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His father told him to climb a mountain so he would fail and his father could show him how easy he could do it. At every step the emperor spit on most of his sons and destoryed what they where. Aka he wanted willing slaves. But those who grew up on slave worlds and freed themselves didn,t like the plan.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:

godking wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

godking wrote:
Angron is the only traitor primarch who had a legitimate reason to hate the emperor.

He is also the only primarch loyalist or traitor who never drank the emperor's Kool aid and saw him as the tyrant that he was.

Mortarian says "Hi". The whole reason he rebeled is because the Emperor replaced the Tyrant on his home world with himself.

feth Mortarion.

He is the dumbest of the traitor primarchs.

He rebelled because he did'nt like the use of psyker's and could'nt accept the fact that he lost the challenge the emperor gave him.

Angron was never given a choice he was teleported away from his army.

Mortarion always made me wonder... Why was it exactly he cared either way? Nothing made sense about what he did - There's no reason for him to support the Imperium, or fight it.

I think that was perhaps the point - I am not sure he saw any reason to do anything? He was as damaged as the other Primarchs in his own depressive, self hating, obsessive way - maybe Nurgle promised to give him a sense of humour / perspective

It's one of the funny things about some of the Chaos powers. Nurgle is a joyful and happy God and Mortarian has the sense of humour of a stump. Just like Tzeentch is all about Change and yet the Thousand Sons are unable to change at all.

I think he left simply because the Emperor reminded him of his foster father and he hated it. He also hated psykers. And the emperor willingly hid things from his children. I don't think he wanted to fall to chaos, he just got swept along with it.

All of these events are the "fine line" humanity must walk to ensure its existence. Everything happened exactly how the emperor planned it. Horus sees him make the choice to allow the 20 primarchs to be stolen. He named the "Thousand sons" that name long before they numbered almost 1000 after the wave of freak mutations.
Yes it is treachery on the emperors part knowing his sons would betray him. (Horus's name even gives that away, and we all know the power words can have) Everything that happened tho so humanity as a whole could survive... even if survival in how things turned out is distasteful it was still the only way.

Every Primarch was a tool shaped by the Emperor for a particular job. Angron was the clear rabid dog to be used in situations were annihilation of the opponent were required. The Emperor had no plan for Angron other than death if the Emperor had finished the great crusade, we've already seen that Russ could have taken out Angron due to Angron's recklessness. If the Emperor knew that he could have removed the Nails then I would guess that the Emperor would have treated Angron differently after they met up.

In one of the HH books Mortarion is briefed by Malcador on the Council of Nikaea decades before it happens. This leads me to conclude that the Emperor saw at least some of the events of the Heresy many years before they happened. However I suspect he did not expect Horus to turn.

I think it's more accurate to say that the SW could have taken out Angron. Angron gave Russ a beatdown during the Night of the Wolf, and likely could have killed him had he wanted to. But it would have cost Angron his own life, as the SW had maneuvered into position to support Russ while the WE were lost to the Nails and too busy killing SW to defend their primarch. As Kharn(?) said in Betrayer, it's the SW that are really the hounds -- they're loyal servants. The WE/Warhounds were truly the untameable wolves.

To me, Angron is the most tragic figure among the Primarchs because he's broken and less than he should be...and knows it. At the end of Betrayer, the ascended Angron tells Kharn that he was never really their lord and is even less so now. It's an interesting admission, and something hard to imagine coming from the mouth of any other Primarch. I don't think most of the other traitor Primarchs even see themselves as having fallen, but Angron seems to know that there's nothing really left of the person he should have been, just a shell of vengefulness and bloodlust.


So what do I think regarding the Emperor's motivation? Well, I think we shouldn't treat the Emperor as a perfect being.

The 40K universe has taken quite a few cues from Frank Herbert's Dune series. And I think that like the prescience of Paul Atreides, the ability of the Emperor to foresee the future is limited and flawed. So while he has set many plans into motion to put humanity on a horrible but necessary "Golden Path" like Leto II did in the Dune series, he does get surprised by certain events. And what's more, the Emperor isn't immune to human feelings.

I think he may have been surprised to find Angron so broken, and after being rebuffed by him, acted somewhat emotionally like a father would. "Kid, you're still my son, you belong with us, and I need you. I'm not going to watch you die pointlessly, so I'll pulling you out whether you like it or not."

His prescience may not have been able to see clearly whether or not Angron could be repaired/saved, and in fact there may have been certain possible timelines in which this was possible, or at least in which Angron wouldn't become what he became. Remember that the first thing the Emperor did was to have his people see if they could remove the Nails, indicating that he wasn't 100% certain that they couldn't. Perhaps the Emperor saw the potential threat like the DE and others, but like a father wanted to save him, even if it only had a small chance of succeeding. Especially if felt guilt-ridden unexpectedly seeing Angron in such a diminished and broken state.

Treat the Emperor as less than a perfect being, and lots of possibilities open up IMO.

locarno24 wrote:
Exactly so. He wanted Angron, but didn't want to have to deal with a huge army of unwashed rebellious slaves who would have no idea how to run a compliant world and would refuse to bend their knees to him on general principle. So he just took what he wanted and left.

The thing was, unlike, say, Russ, or Vulkan, Angron was NEVER going to come willingly. Even if the War Hounds had been deployed and saved the Eaters Of Cities, Angron would probably still have insisted on staying there with his brothers and refused to obey the Emperor.

The Emperor wouldn't accept a competing loyalty, so took the logical course of letting the slaves be wiped out.

 welshhoppo wrote:
It's actually easier than that.


The ruling population had agreed to be accepted into the Imperium, no bloodshed required. Angron was a terrorist who had to be removed. If the Big E had helped them, they would then have to reconquer the world, which is time and manpower.

These two sum it up nicely.

1. The planet had already agreed to compliance (even though the rulers were dicks).
2. Angron's Angry Gladiatorial Rabble either wouldn't have joined the Imperium or would have been horrendous to deal with.
3. Angron, even if he won, would not have joined the Emperor.