Most Annoying army/tactic/waste of time cuzing people to rage quit

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**nareik**

WHFB: 6th ed beastmen had an interesting one where they could keep the entire army in ambush until the last turn of the game.

Last turn you'd have a few units of hounds come on to compete each table quarter and have a deathstar with khazrak and staff of darkoth try to force through a charge with magic to defeat an expensive, squishy unit for the win.

It was pretty obnoxious as it was very hard to get anything worse than a draw with and your opponent was playing by himself for the majority of the game.

**CrownAxe**

CKO wrote:
Blacksails wrote:
This was 5th I believe. Kroot had outflank which let them deploy on rear table edge (if they rolled right, I think). The white scars player opted for a null deployment starting 2nd. Kroot player out flanked all his Kroot in a perfect 1" spacing all along his opponents edge, meaning the white scars player could not legally deploy his army next turn as there was no space.

No, kroot have infiltrate he has no models on board so he could infiltrate them anywhere on the board.

CrownAxe why should I buy models and play with them knowing that the army is nerf mainly because a handful of people don't like the army? Why not play with a competitive army that has no nerfs or bias towards them such as Marines, Necrons, or Eldar? Even though they are trying to nerf the wraithknight by taking away its cover save but you know I guess its acceptable to do those type of things. Whatever I don't care anymore, I tried being an advocate but I just received hate and its not worth it.

How are you suppose know how nerfed an army is if you haven't even played with them? All i see is an armchair general who whined himself out of playing the army he wanted to play just because of unwarrented negativity (and a Tau still get 12th at LVO, how does that mean they aren;t good?)

**FoxPhoenix135**

CKO wrote:
What are you trying to say about the OP? Is there something wrong with discussing things you dislike or believe should be kept in the dark!

Argumentum ad hominem much?

Why focus on trying to win by cheese? Why "fight fire with fire" when you can just choose to not play those people that consistently try to have their fun at your expense? It's a game. I don't understand the types who have to get so obsessive over beating others and using the most "optimized" and "competitive" armies/lists/what-have-you. If you aren't having fun, win or lose, then maybe you should choose a more balanced competitive hobby?

The point I am making is that these posts keep reappearing because the OP is focusing on the wrong issue. Rather than worrying about stooping to their level and beating them at their own game, he should be asking himself why he plays their game at all.

**CKO**

Making 3 units have to fire snapshots when you pay over 400 points for a unit is not cheese, do you think its cheese?

Crownaxe I am coming back with authority, I plan on dominating tables again people have forgotten me my threads will have more meaning when I am top 8 over and over again.

Name is Chad Knight look for it on the ITC list this year!

**CrownAxe**

CKO wrote:
Making 3 units have to fire snapshots when you pay over 400 points for a unit is not cheese, do you think its cheese?

Crownaxe I am coming back with authority, I plan on dominating tables again people have forgotten me my threads will have more meaning when I am top 8 over and over again.

Name is Chad Knight look for it on the ITC list this year!

I don't care, all i see is you complaining how about weak and army you haven't even played with is.

**CKO**

Not weak weaker there is a difference.

**SonsofVulkan**

CKO wrote:
Making 3 units have to fire snapshots when you pay over 400 points for a unit is not cheese, do you think its cheese?

Crownaxe I am coming back with authority, I plan on dominating tables again people have forgotten me my threads will have more meaning when I am top 8 over and over again.

Name is Chad Knight look for it on the ITC list this year!

Lol I thought your a SM player that was gonna go Tau, now Necrons?

Plenty of good Decurion armies for you to net list I guess haha

**CrownAxe**

CKO wrote:
Not weak weaker there is a difference.

Oh no they got weaker and still got 12th at LVO. They are so weaker that they still are at the power level of other top tier codexs

**carldooley**

CKO wrote:
Making 3 units have to fire snapshots when you pay over 400 points for a unit is not cheese, do you think its cheese?

Crownaxe I am coming back with authority, I plan on dominating tables again people have forgotten me my threads will have more meaning when I am top 8 over and over again.

Name is Chad Knight look for it on the ITC list this year!

just buy some models dude. Hopefully, when you do, there won't be any major nerfs of your chosen army as there were for tau. What is that thing about overcoming adversity?

**oldzoggy**

Space wolves servitor spam each 10 points will give you an other unit and they all have to roll for mind lock each turn. This gets annoying real fast. Have fun sort off :\

**CKO**

I will start a tactic thread about my theory list to see what everyone thinks, I am at work but when I get home I will start a new thread!

**BlackCadian**

Played vs Ravenwing Biker Spam last weekend - shot everything into the Darkshroud (2+) re-rollable and got a single pen for shaken, gg after that.

Hey, I'll just shoot you with - uh no, re-rollable cover save 3+ or even 2+ if close enough to the Darkshroud. Overwatch? Nope, not allowed. Didn't have any dedicated melee units so yeah, that was it.

**labmouse42**

mrveng wrote:
labmouse42 wrote:
Back in 5th, during the era of guard leafblower, I was playing a marine bike army.

I kept skirting the edges of the boards for turns 2-5 and he kept throwing blast weapons my way, getting only 2 models under each template, and scattering off the board most of the time.

He rage quit and threw his dice off the board at the start of turn 5, when he still was unable to kill more than one of my models, putting me in line to take 1st at the RTT.

How does that tactic work in 7th? Haven't played much 7th but from what I've seen in the lists area there's still plenty of White Scars bike armies.

It doesn't. Manticore/LRBT spam is no longer the big threat to your armies. The reason for skirting the board was to ignore the blast templates, which are not as big of a problem in 7th. Armies now generally just gun you down from number of shots, which a 7th edition bike army does not need to worry about.

Also, in 5th, the game was decided about who had the objectives at the end of the game. In 7th, Malestrom missions and NOVA missions give points each turn for holding objectives.

**krodarklorr**

CrownAxe wrote:
We already had a pool on this http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/680156.page

Also screw you for making an army just to be a jerk with

Yaaaaay, my thread has been linked!

But for real....lolzwut?

**Filch**

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
CKO wrote:
What are you trying to say about the OP? Is there something wrong with discussing things you dislike or believe should be kept in the dark!

Argumentum ad hominem much?

Why focus on trying to win by cheese? Why "fight fire with fire" when you can just choose to not play those people that consistently try to have their fun at your expense? It's a game. I don't understand the types who have to get so obsessive over beating others and using the most "optimized" and "competitive" armies/lists/what-have-you. If you aren't having fun, win or lose, then maybe you should choose a more balanced competitive hobby?

The point I am making is that these posts keep reappearing because the OP is focusing on the wrong issue. Rather than worrying about stooping to their level and beating them at their own game, he should be asking himself why he plays their game at all.

Let me elaborate.

You find your self in an environment full of cheese and you know you cant win but you want to sand bag this mffer for bringing 5 wraith knights with a bunch of scat bikes or what ever gladius army.

Better yet, you enter with the soul purpose to annoy people with the least competitive list possible. You build the list not to win but to annoy the heck out of these neckbeards that exploit the game. Especially annoy thise who whine and get their way thru rules lawyering, you seek to throw in a unit interactions thaf break the rule or ambiguous interpretation.

There was this flow chart for mtg that showed you how to build deck with hate.

**Frozocrone**

Just go unbound with a lot of beast packs, as many single man units as you can fit multiples are 10 pts in. Constantly tell them they killed just 10 pts and that it was a good shot.

Might even win on objectives.

Bit don't worry, its not the list, its the attitude that determines how fun you are to play against.

**Filch**

The whole point is to get your opponents to flip a table and rage so hard they get escorted out and disqualified.

**Traditio**

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Isn't there better things in life than going through games of 40k just to ruin other people's experience?

To answer your question, decurion, tzeentch clown car, wraith knight spam, and warp spider spam.

As a non-optimizing space marines player, I actually don't necessarily mind playing against tzeentch clown car (that's more units I can kill with boltguns) or necron decurion. I will get annoyed if you bring the necron vehicles that spam AP 1 large blasts, but simply bringing hordes of 4+ armor, 4+ rerollable reanimation protocols infantry? Bring it.

I don't really care if I win. I just want to see units dying and tanks blowing up on both sides of the table.

But if you spam monstrous creatures, high AV tanks or fliers? Don't expect me to play you a second time.

And if you play Tau or something even resembling competitive Eldar, don't expect me to play you once.

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Filch wrote:
The whole point is to get your opponents to flip a table and rage so hard they get escorted out and disqualified.

If that's your goal, then I recommend consulting a psychiatrist. You might be (read: "probably are") a sociopath.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Traditio wrote:
And if you play Tau or something even resembling competitive Eldar, don't expect me to play you once.

Filch wrote:
The whole point is to get your opponents to flip a table and rage so hard they get escorted out and disqualified.

If that's your goal, then I recommend consulting a psychiatrist. You might be (read: "probably are") a sociopath.

Or not. I would also consider consulting one yourself: your close-mindedness is rather overpowering.

Honestly, you're going to deny them a game without so much as playing them once?

**Traditio**

Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Or not. I would also consider consulting one yourself: your close-mindedness is rather overpowering.

Look up the symptoms of sociopathy/psychopathy.

Honestly, you're going to deny them a game without so much as playing them once?

What's the point? If I know in advance how the battle is going to go, why bother deploying in the first place?

Sounds like a massive waste of time to me.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Traditio wrote:
Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Or not. I would also consider consulting one yourself: your close-mindedness is rather overpowering.

Look up the symptoms of sociopathy/psychopathy.

(Are you insinuating I don't already recognise those fields? Much less have personal experience with them? And if you can identify a person's mental state from a single forum post, that may or may not be exaggeration, I would advise you advertise this ability far more.)

Honestly, you're going to deny them a game without so much as playing them once?

What's the point? If I know in advance how the battle is going to go, why bother deploying in the first place?

Sounds like a massive waste of time to me.

Why bother playing an even game then? Surely a single dice roll would suffice then? 1-3 = you win, 4-6 = I win.

You're generalising a whole two factions, factions that Space Marines can beat. You won't even entertain the idea of playing them? Not even if the game might be more enjoyable than a person literally saying nothing and interacting in no way with you? In which case, we may have found a winner for the thread.

**Traditio**

Sgt_Smudge wrote:
(Are you insinuating I don't already recognise those fields? Much less have personal experience with them? And if you can identify a person's mental state from a single forum post, that may or may not be exaggeration, I would advise you advertise this ability far more.)

His stated purpose is to play an army that will indiscriminately make people so angry that they will flip the tables at a tournament, thereby requiring that they be escorted out and disqualified.

Does he have a specific player in mind, against whom he has a grudge?

No?

Then his statement speaks for itself.

If you don't see this as problematic, then I'm afraid that I simply can't help you.

Why bother playing an even game then?

A relatively even game is the only one worth playing, since only a relatively even game makes the outcome of the game dependent solely on player skill, insofar as reflected in in-game decisions.

I'm sorry, but I don't want want to have a footrace against you if my feet are tied together and you are wearing jet-powered roller-skates.

Surely a single dice roll would suffice then? 1-3 = you win, 4-6 = I win.

Is that how you play chess?

You're generalising a whole two factions, factions that Space Marines can beat.

Space marines, generally speaking, can beat them, presupposing they run very specific kinds of armies.

I don't run that kind of army.

You won't even entertain the idea of playing them?

Not unless there are compelling reasons to the contrary.

Not even if the game might be more enjoyable than a person literally saying nothing and interacting in no way with you?

This is such a loaded question.

With respect to the former, it might well be the case that the player is a "fun" player who just so happens to run an army that mine has no chance of beating, or even of remotely providing a challenge against. The player very well might be sociable and enjoyable to hang out with.

But there's simply no point in playing that game. I might as well spectate him playing a game with someone else.

**Talizvar**

I suppose the part that does not solicit a well thought out response to the OP is this zinger:

"If I cant win in a tournament, I want to make it a complete waste of your time. I want you to get mad."
I assume this is the winning strategy: by getting people to quit because they cannot stand being in close proximity of his bad behavior?

Obviously he likes to play on a more personal and emotional level.
I keep feeling this runs afoul of "Rule #1" of being polite somewhere...
Yep, he really need to let that be known up front, so people can move-on to more productive use of their time.

I personally just keep shifting my goals if the game starts going south on me.
It is FAR better to give a black eye to your opponent's army than sit back and get stomped or just concede.
I find when I come across people who try to "ruin" the experience I just get more polite and smile mockingly (drives them crazy!).

**carldooley**

I play Tau. I run suit heavy - 30+ crisis suits, 6 broadsides, 3 riptides, & a stormsurge.
however
it isn't the entirety of my army, and my suits are magnetized.

I'd ask a simple question: what kind of game do you want to play? if Traditio refuses even after that, he's the TFG, not me.

if you are willing to change your play style in your opponent's favor, then by all means do so. It makes for an entertaining mental exercise if nothing else, the mental flexibility, the willingness to be water to your opponent's granite.

**Reavas**

Traditio wrote:
Sgt_Smudge wrote:
(Are you insinuating I don't already recognise those fields? Much less have personal experience with them? And if you can identify a person's mental state from a single forum post, that may or may not be exaggeration, I would advise you advertise this ability far more.)

His stated purpose is to play an army that will indiscriminately make people so angry that they will flip the tables at a tournament, thereby requiring that they be escorted out and disqualified.

Does he have a specific player in mind, against whom he has a grudge?

No?

Then his statement speaks for itself.

If you don't see this as problematic, then I'm afraid that I simply can't help you.

Why bother playing an even game then?

A relatively even game is the only one worth playing, since only a relatively even game makes the outcome of the game dependent solely on player skill, insofar as reflected in in-game decisions.

I'm sorry, but I don't want want to have a footrace against you if my feet are tied together and you are wearing jet-powered roller-skates.

Surely a single dice roll would suffice then? 1-3 = you win, 4-6 = I win.

Is that how you play chess?

You're generalising a whole two factions, factions that Space Marines can beat.

Space marines, generally speaking, can beat them, presupposing they run very specific kinds of armies.

I don't run that kind of army.

You won't even entertain the idea of playing them?

Not unless there are compelling reasons to the contrary.

Not even if the game might be more enjoyable than a person literally saying nothing and interacting in no way with you?

This is such a loaded question.

With respect to the former, it might well be the case that the player is a "fun" player who just so happens to run an army that mine has no chance of beating, or even of remotely providing a challenge against. The player very well might be sociable and enjoyable to hang out with.

But there's simply no point in playing that game. I might as well spectate him playing a game with someone else.

I'm a psychologist and I now diagnose you both as "so anally retort I'm afraid if you sit down you might suck up the furniture"

On a more interesting note I prefer playing more difficult games against tau or necrons because its a real challenge, If I win I get a greater sense of accomplishment. Reguardless of how overpowered an army is (to a degree) tactically speaking there are always ways to outmanouver the opponent and win the game, and if you are fighting Tau or Necrons utilise everything you have. Proffessional tounaments are competitions that require cheesy strategies and advanced knowledge of the rules if your playing for fun play a more casual tournament. That being said don't be an ass and use broken strategies in casual games

**carldooley**

Reavas, practice for tournaments really is a thing, but it requires your opponent to know about it ahead of time. If you want to bring a ballbuster list to a casual game night there is nothing wrong with doing so, but you should pay your opponent the compliment of warning them ahead of time. That way, you might actually get a decent game out of it. If you just want to beat on a defenseless animal, may I suggest baby chicks with a baseball bat, then at least the local wildlife can eat well afterwards.

a note. by you I don't actually mean you. I mean anyone that wants to act like a sociopath, like no one else is real.

**Filch**

Talizvar wrote:
I suppose the part that does not solicit a well thought out response to the OP is this zinger:

"If I cant win in a tournament, I want to make it a complete waste of your time. I want you to get mad."
I assume this is the winning strategy: by getting people to quit because they cannot stand being in close proximity of his bad behavior?

Obviously he likes to play on a more personal and emotional level.
I keep feeling this runs afoul of "Rule #1" of being polite somewhere...
Yep, he really need to let that be known up front, so people can move-on to more productive use of their time.

I personally just keep shifting my goals if the game starts going south on me.
It is FAR better to give a black eye to your opponent's army than sit back and get stomped or just concede.
I find when I come across people who try to "ruin" the experience I just get more polite and smile mockingly (drives them crazy!).

Let me elaborate. You gotta make your opponent lose his cool while you remain all sportsman like.

**CrownAxe**

Filch wrote:
Talizvar wrote:
I suppose the part that does not solicit a well thought out response to the OP is this zinger:

"If I cant win in a tournament, I want to make it a complete waste of your time. I want you to get mad."
I assume this is the winning strategy: by getting people to quit because they cannot stand being in close proximity of his bad behavior?

Obviously he likes to play on a more personal and emotional level.
I keep feeling this runs afoul of "Rule #1" of being polite somewhere...
Yep, he really need to let that be known up front, so people can move-on to more productive use of their time.

I personally just keep shifting my goals if the game starts going south on me.
It is FAR better to give a black eye to your opponent's army than sit back and get stomped or just concede.
I find when I come across people who try to "ruin" the experience I just get more polite and smile mockingly (drives them crazy!).

Let me elaborate. You gotta make your opponent lose his cool while you remain all sportsman like.

Good players aren't going to lose their cool just because of the army you bring

**Talizvar**

Filch wrote:
Let me elaborate. You gotta make your opponent lose his cool while you remain all sportsman like.

Ah, so if there is no impoliteness or cheating, I would have no problem with it.
I am a bit confused then on how the "complete waste of your time" kicks in, like taking forever to execute your turn or something.

I LIKE a hard game.
Even better when both of us know it is a no-holds-barred kind of game which tournaments are (but still within the rules!).

The ways a game can be a waste of time for me is, if I win too easily, the person is spending equal time trying out mind-game tactics or they cheat... a lot.

**Traditio**

carldooley wrote:
I play Tau. I run suit heavy - 30+ crisis suits, 6 broadsides, 3 riptides, & a stormsurge.
however
it isn't the entirety of my army, and my suits are magnetized.

I'd ask a simple question: what kind of game do you want to play? if Traditio refuses even after that, he's the TFG, not me.

I'm a TFG because I don't want to play against you?

Well somebody has an incredibly high opinion of himself.