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Traditio wrote:

 carldooley wrote:
I play Tau. I run suit heavy - 30+ crisis suits, 6 broadsides, 3 riptides, & a stormsurge.
however
it isn't the entirety of my army, and my suits are magnetized.

I'd ask a simple question: what kind of game do you want to play? if Traditio refuses even after that, he's the TFG, not me.

I'm a TFG because I don't want to play against you?

Well somebody has an incredibly high opinion of himself.

Although I don't necessarily agree with your reasons for denying a person a game, I still agree that it is completely your decision whether to play a person or not. This is a game of consent, really. Nobody can force you to do anything, and that is the flaw in the entire premise of this thread: that the OP seems to think you can force anybody to feel angry because of a list you brought. It's just a logical fallacy.

If a guy took a look at my army and said "No, that army looks too hard to beat / too meta, I'll pass" there is no reason to call him TFG. It's a game. He can choose to play or not. Honestly, I'd rather him not play if he had doubts about whether he'd have fun or not. When I play games at my local store, I usually pick opponents that I know are there to roll some dice and have a good time. Beerhammer is a much better way to spend the afternoon, rather than arguing with a rules-lawyer or combing over a list in an effort to make it 5 points more efficient.

Traditio wrote:
Well somebody has an incredibly high opinion of himself.

not really. I'm usually happy enough to get a game that I'll let my opponent set terms. You are welcome to think so though.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

Traditio wrote:

 carldooley wrote:
I play Tau. I run suit heavy - 30+ crisis suits, 6 broadsides, 3 riptides, & a stormsurge.
however
it isn't the entirety of my army, and my suits are magnetized.

I'd ask a simple question: what kind of game do you want to play? if Traditio refuses even after that, he's the TFG, not me.

I'm a TFG because I don't want to play against you?

Well somebody has an incredibly high opinion of himself.

Although I don't necessarily agree with your reasons for denying a person a game, I still agree that it is completely your decision whether to play a person or not. This is a game of consent, really. Nobody can force you to do anything, and that is the flaw in the entire premise of this thread: that the OP seems to think you can force anybody to feel angry because of a list you brought. It's just a logical fallacy.

If a guy took a look at my army and said "No, that army looks too hard to beat / too meta, I'll pass" there is no reason to call him TFG. It's a game. He can choose to play or not. Honestly, I'd rather him not play if he had doubts about whether he'd have fun or not. When I play games at my local store, I usually pick opponents that I know are there to roll some dice and have a good time. Beerhammer is a much better way to spend the afternoon, rather than arguing with a rules-lawyer or combing over a list in an effort to make it 5 points more efficient.

I guess I was not clear. You are in a major tournament where YOU ARE FORCED, to play random people bringing top tier lists and if you choose not to then you are disqualified and dont win prize. NOT HELD DOWN AND RAPED at a flgs.

 Filch wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

Traditio wrote:

 carldooley wrote:
I play Tau. I run suit heavy - 30+ crisis suits, 6 broadsides, 3 riptides, & a stormsurge.
however
it isn't the entirety of my army, and my suits are magnetized.

I'd ask a simple question: what kind of game do you want to play? if Traditio refuses even after that, he's the TFG, not me.

I'm a TFG because I don't want to play against you?

Well somebody has an incredibly high opinion of himself.

Although I don't necessarily agree with your reasons for denying a person a game, I still agree that it is completely your decision whether to play a person or not. This is a game of consent, really. Nobody can force you to do anything, and that is the flaw in the entire premise of this thread: that the OP seems to think you can force anybody to feel angry because of a list you brought. It's just a logical fallacy.

If a guy took a look at my army and said "No, that army looks too hard to beat / too meta, I'll pass" there is no reason to call him TFG. It's a game. He can choose to play or not. Honestly, I'd rather him not play if he had doubts about whether he'd have fun or not. When I play games at my local store, I usually pick opponents that I know are there to roll some dice and have a good time. Beerhammer is a much better way to spend the afternoon, rather than arguing with a rules-lawyer or combing over a list in an effort to make it 5 points more efficient.

I guess I was not clear. You are in a major tournament where YOU ARE FORCED TO PLAY AGAINST RANDOM PEOPLE PLAYING TOP TIER LISTS. NOT HELD DOWN AND RAPED...

That doesn't change his point that you can't force your opponent to feel angry or rage-quit. The fact that your whole plan hinges on eliciting a negative reaction from your opponent is not only deplorable but really sad, in fact how will you react if the majority of the people you face end up being super chill or stoic and don't give you what you want? It's not that unbelievable either, given that in a tournament setting people are expecting balls-to-the-walls lists anyways and will be more prepared than most gamers for cheese/etc.

 carldooley wrote:
not really. I'm usually happy enough to get a game that I'll let my opponent set terms. You are welcome to think so though.

Why do you think I am TFG for refusing to play you?

Do you think that you are entitled to a game? Do I owe you roughly 2 hours of my time?

I don't even know you. Are random strangers obliged to play warhammer with you?

Traditio wrote:

 carldooley wrote:
not really. I'm usually happy enough to get a game that I'll let my opponent set terms. You are welcome to think so though.

Why do you think I am TFG for refusing to play you?

Do you think that you are entitled to a game? Do I owe you roughly 2 hours of my time?

I don't even know you. Are random strangers obliged to play warhammer with you?

why refuse to play tau? there are armies that I don't like to play against admittedly, but I wouldn't refuse anyone a game. You don't owe me anything admittedly, but a confrontational stance like yours is almost begging to be prodded with a stick.

To be perfectly honest, you don't have a location posted, and I have no honest way to know whether or not I'd actually have the ability to play a game against you anyway. But, in a casual environment, if you go to a game night for a game and the only other person that shows up brings tau, you would seriously refuse a game? When there is no one else to play against? In my honest opinion, that makes you TFG.

 carldooley wrote:
why refuse to play tau? there are armies that I don't like to play against admittedly, but I wouldn't refuse anyone a game. You don't owe me anything admittedly, but a confrontational stance like yours is almost begging to be prodded with a stick.

With all due respect, the only person in this thread to whom I've taken on an intentionally "confrontational stance" is the OP. He has displayed a clear lack of empathy and lack of regard for other people that, frankly, I consider positively deplorable and in need of serious self-reflection and adjustment.

The question in this thread, as far as I've understood it, are "what kinds of armies do you find annoying/rage inducing, sufficient to incline you not to play?"

For me, tau is one of them.

I play an army that consists primarily of space marines on foot. I don't want to play tau, because no matter what list you bring, the game is going to have the same result: I am going to run my guys across the board, get them shot off the board, and otherwise do diddly squat.

The only way to make it even remotely even is if you agree not to bring riptides, crisis suits and whatever that OP vehicle it is that you guys use, and you still agree to a points disadvantage...and frankly, that just seems cheap.

I'm sorry, but I don't want to play a game of 52 pick up.

You might be a positively fun and lovely person to hang out with; don't get me wrong.

But that's not a game that I want to play.

To be perfectly honest, you don't have a location posted, and I have no honest way to know whether or not I'd actually have the ability to play a game against you anyway. But, in a casual environment, if you go to a game night for a game and the only other person that shows up brings tau, you would seriously refuse a game? When there is no one else to play against? In my honest opinion, that makes you TFG.

Why should I spend 2 and a half hours of my time (or more if we're playing on Vassal) playing 52 pick up when I just as easily could go home and "do literally anything else"?*


*Bonus points for anyone who catches the reference.

Update; I edited the original post to clarify what i really wanted to disgust i mean discuss.

 Filch wrote:
Similar to MTG where you flick your card loudly to distract opponents. Or granny shuffle every time you fetch a special land. Or pronounce a card in Japanese accent thinking its all cool but you just a anime fan.

Shame on you. That's just unsportsmanlike.

So you immediately assume i do that? that is what people do to me!

 Filch wrote:
So you immediately assume i do that? that is what people do to me!

Well shame on them!

Shame!

Shame!

Shame on everybody! Dishonor!

Can you chill out?

 Filch wrote:
Can you chill out?

"Dishonor! Dishonor on your whole family! Dishonor on you. Dishonor on your cow!"

 Filch wrote:
So you immediately assume i do that? that is what people do to me!

Well you -are- asking for new ways in which to do the same back to your opponents, so yes, we assume you at least plan to do unsportsmanlike things, if you don't do them already. Maybe people treat you like this because you are known as the club's TFG?

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

 Filch wrote:
So you immediately assume i do that? that is what people do to me!

Well you -are- asking for new ways in which to do the same back to your opponents, so yes, we assume you at least plan to do unsportsmanlike things, if you don't do them already. Maybe people treat you like this because you are known as the club's TFG?

He also just recently posted a thread where he shared with us an anecdote where he outright says his main reason for playing 40K is making people pissed off and almost lose their composure. Class act this guy is.

To give an honest answer to the OP, it would be difficult to create a one size fits all army to irritate top tier.
Assuming the player can be irritated at all (since you will not be cheating or unsportsmanlike).

Anything that prevents the player from doing something they want to do.
Prevent model removal (it is all about killing stuff).
Dominating some element of the game completely.
Means of attacking and your opponent unable to reply in kind.

Those points lean me toward psychic abilities for things like being shrouded.
Multi-wound models would be preferred.
Feel no pain is a plus.
Being able to shoot and hide is "evil".
Fielding one or many models your opponent is unlikely to kill (that is why aircraft was hated/loved so much)
The ability to deep-strike to hit the enemy where they are most vulnerable.
Create choke-points / kill zones to funnel the enemy and kill them piecemeal (terrain placement is serious stuff).

Eldar is still looking like the go-to with maybe some DE allies.

Oddly, the most frustrating elements of a game is a reasonable winning strategy.
It would still not be rage inducing.
If the person is competitive they would just look at it as a puzzle to crack.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

 Filch wrote:
So you immediately assume i do that? that is what people do to me!

Well you -are- asking for new ways in which to do the same back to your opponents, so yes, we assume you at least plan to do unsportsmanlike things, if you don't do them already. Maybe people treat you like this because you are known as the club's TFG?

I am not tfg. TFG actually wins! Unlike me! I am just a Scrub lord who just fails a lot.

oh and that other post was ment to shed some light on why I am doing things the way i do.

Oh well.
To irritate or take some strange revenge all within the realm of a hobby meant for fun and to relax is a rather strange thing.
I would even say the OP should move on to something a little less competitive since it is getting a rather nasty focus to it.
Anyway, I am sure a lock is coming shortly...

The way I saw OP's original request -
A desire for troll tactics that feths with your opponent's head and/or throws him off his game.
Now this can be done positively, without engendering hatred or bad feelings.

I find the best way is to find a gimmick you find fun and then take that gimmick up to 11.

Some quick suggestions off the top of my head -

1. Tyranid Spore Army. Multiple Maxed Sporefield Formations. Sporocysts. Meiotic Spores. Looks hilarious on the battlefield, VERY annoying to deal with and does naturally waste time (with spore creation, deepstriking and movement etc.).

2. Necron Teleporty Army. Veil and Obyron. Deathmarks. Monoliths. Rather nasty to be on the receiving end of and can cause confusion and then rage when you teleport everything on top of your opponent's favourite unit and obliterate it etc.

3. All Officio Assassinorum army. Very low model count and yet very killy. Played well, those few models will cause many a headache for your opponent. As an added bonus, you could complain about how long he takes to do his turn!

Even if your goal is to screw with your opponent. Don't be a dick. Have a good attitude. Have fun. Maybe they'll even play your army again and you can troll them some more

Op, you seem like a classy guy. Please never come anywhere near the store I play at.

 Otto Weston wrote:
The way I saw OP's original request -
A desire for troll tactics that feths with your opponent's head and/or throws him off his game.
Now this can be done positively, without engendering hatred or bad feelings.

I find the best way is to find a gimmick you find fun and then take that gimmick up to 11.

Some quick suggestions off the top of my head -

1. Tyranid Spore Army. Multiple Maxed Sporefield Formations. Sporocysts. Meiotic Spores. Looks hilarious on the battlefield, VERY annoying to deal with and does naturally waste time (with spore creation, deepstriking and movement etc.).

2. Necron Teleporty Army. Veil and Obyron. Deathmarks. Monoliths. Rather nasty to be on the receiving end of and can cause confusion and then rage when you teleport everything on top of your opponent's favourite unit and obliterate it etc.

3. All Officio Assassinorum army. Very low model count and yet very killy. Played well, those few models will cause many a headache for your opponent. As an added bonus, you could complain about how long he takes to do his turn!

Even if your goal is to screw with your opponent. Don't be a dick. Have a good attitude. Have fun. Maybe they'll even play your army again and you can troll them some more

You are on the right track!

Anyone else has a similar suggestion?

btw, jreilly89 thank you for your sarcastic remark. It is like a cheap shot sucker punch to my ball but I got balls of steel. What I love about this community at dakka is that people always have something snarky to say like, Please lock this topic, screw you original poster, the orignal poster should seek mental health. Its like they are trying to cusss me out but cant really do that so they have to be so sarcastic by calling me classy or they get banned. I dont mind all these personal attacks because your 2 cents cant buy you 2 gumballs.

So in all, I want to find more ways to play mind games and or gimmicky lists that exploit wh40k just like dredge and affinity and other infinity combos in mtg. And if you wanna come in here and attack me personally because this topic goes against your morality then go ahead I dont care what you have to say.

 Filch wrote:
btw, jreilly89 thank you for your sarcastic remark. It is like a cheap shot sucker punch to my ball but I got balls of steel.

I suspect that was a genuine heartfelt comment. I am pretty sure you saw this coming, so no "sucker punch" there.

What I love about this community at dakka is that people always have something snarky to say like, Please lock this topic, screw you original poster, the orignal poster should seek mental health.

Well, when you feed the troll...

Its like they are trying to cusss me out but cant really do that so they have to be so sarcastic by calling me classy or they get banned.

It is cathartic when you can get others to act as badly as yourself I agree.

I dont mind all these personal attacks because your 2 cents cant buy you 2 gumballs. <snip> And if you wanna come in here and attack me personally because this topic goes against your morality then go ahead I dont care what you have to say.

I am not sure I mind so much about going against morality.
I like to game.
You anger enough people to "rage quit" it is one less person to game and your behavior becomes a "gaming nightmare" topic later that lumps 40k gamers as a bunch of haters.
Your quest for irritation is anti-community and is pretty much as selfish as it gets.

This does not add to the hobby and you hope the very people you seek to anger will hand you the keys to do it.

Traditio wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Can you chill out?

"Dishonor! Dishonor on your whole family! Dishonor on you. Dishonor on your cow!"

Okay that was just too funny to not exault....I wonder how many actually got the reference heheh

lols, he spelled exalt wrong!

anyways I found this old nugget.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/670827.page#8267911

 Fishboy wrote:

Traditio wrote:

 Filch wrote:
Can you chill out?

"Dishonor! Dishonor on your whole family! Dishonor on you. Dishonor on your cow!"

Okay that was just too funny to not exault....I wonder how many actually got the reference heheh

THAT MY SHIRT!

Some troll (anti meta?) armies:

1. Drop Pod Walls. Take a cheap HQ, 2 tac squads with pods and 3 FA pods... repeat until available points are filled up. Proceed to troll your opponent as they either roll their eyes and slowly kill all the drop pods, or lose because they don't have enough firepower to remove pods from objectives.

2. Tyranid Wack-a-Mawloc? Take as many Mawlocs as you can fit into a cheap CAD and repeat until points are filled. Proceed to play wack-a-mawloc with the opponent.

Most of these armies will either be highly entertaining for the opponent or very frustrating. Either way, your goal isn't to win but instead to exploit a rule to the point that you basicly change the way the game is played. I think that fits the type of army you're looking for? Wack-a-Mawloc especially sounds fun.

Umm... there was the old thing about modelling the models wings around itself so that the actual body couldnt be seen (therefore it couldnt be targeted ,or do targetting for that matter, with most shooting). But that is more modelling to advantage than anything.

Similarly, there is leaning jetbike models back to make it difficult to see the riders. Not modelling to advantage this time, just a rules lawyer stretch.

You can do super MSU to mitigate losses. Better unbound, but still works in bound.

You can move your horde army through terrain (legitimately drives me nuts, even at a good pace)

You can hold yourself and the opponent in combat with Smash attacks instead of breaking and allowing shots/movement to/from both units.

You might be able to completely hide a single model unit in a tightly compacted ADL. Though, certain tall units may still see them... Then Rippers maybe?

You can feed fast junk units into assault to stop shooting for a turn or two.

Go second and contest away with fast throwaways.

Mostly iffy plots, some well known and embraced ones. Overall, just make them work for it.

Zimko wrote:

1. Drop Pod Walls. Take a cheap HQ, 2 tac squads with pods and 3 FA pods... repeat until available points are filled up. Proceed to troll your opponent as they either roll their eyes and slowly kill all the drop pods, or lose because they don't have enough firepower to remove pods from objectives.
.

I'm pretty sure just running Gladius with maximum Drop Pod output it better than spamming min/max cad. Lemme check:

5 CADs at 1830:
5 Techmarines (cheapest HQ and can repair pods! yay!)
10 Tactical (5mans) al with Dedicated Pods
13 FA Pods (3+3+3+3+1)
TOTAL: 23 pods

1 Gladius Strike Force at 1695:
Captain
Chaplain
6 Tacticals (5mans)
2 Assaults (5mans)
2 Devs (5mans)
2 Command (5mans)
2 Dreadnaughts (Vanilla)
3 Sternguard (5man, Auxillary)
TOTAL: 17 pods (with points remaining for upgrades),
(I did the math, you can't fit 1 HQ, 1 Troop (with Pod) and 1 FA Pod with the remaining points. The total cost of the Gladius was already barebones so I can't scrap off anymore points.

Comparing them:
All pod min/max:
55 bodies and 23 pods
Gladius min/max:
77 bodies, 2 dreads, and 17 pods

This really makes me want to finish my other 8 pods, but at that point I'd only have 16 D:

A Troll thread? Hmm.

You must be lost.

League of Legends is this way ->

<- MTG is that way

 Filch wrote:
lols, he spelled exalt wrong!

anyways I found this old nugget.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/670827.page#8267911

Uh...uh...maybe I was going for the old English spelling heheh