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 teban wrote:
keep the custodes and sisters! They are great addition to the Fists! Dorn was always close to that sort of people

I am definitely keeping the Custodes and considering keeping the Sisters. I ended up getting three Mk IV sets and two of the Kurtha Sedd models (I will be converting both of them into Legion Champions) off eBay. I will get Burning of Prospero to complete the army.

I am still not 100% sure what the make up of the army will be though. The Mk III will be made into my Breacher Squads, but as to the Mk IV, I am not entirely sure what I want to do.


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Maybe I should run a couple squads of Legion Veteran Tacticals. Give them a pair of HB w/Suspensor Web for each squad and take the Marksmen ability. Sniper Assault 3 Heavy Bolters would be great, as would the ability to outflank. It helps counter the Stone Gauntlet's restriction on Deep Striking.

Its a good choice, hammernator termies with a kitted out praetor/sigismund are awesome too.

 King Amroth wrote:
Its a good choice, hammernator termies with a kitted out praetor/sigismund are awesome too.

If I run a Praetor, I am probably going to run my dear friend Alexis Polux. Though I do think I will make my own custom Praetor as well.

I'm building my support tactical squads with the MK4 marines .

All my tacticals are mk3 or mk2 . You should look at my blog, It might give you some ideas!

My current plan is to build my three squads of Mk IV as Legion Veteran Tactical Squads. Probably toting Plasmaguns on two of the Marines. Or should I use Meltaguns since they can Outflank and will have Sniper? I really like that Marksmen ability they received. It will help make up for the fact they can't Deep Strike. I will make three squads of Breachers using the Mk III squads, probably with Graviton Guns for their weapon since they will gain some bonuses when they don't move. For fluff reasons, I am going to acquire Alexis Polux, since this will be the 405th Company, so they will be a precursor to my Crimson Fists.

So, upon further review, I think I will make twould Veteran Tactical Squads, each with two Heavy Bolters with Suspensor Webs. I will then split the third kit to make a Legion Tactical Support Squad with five Plasmaguns and a Heavy Support Squad with five Missile Launchers. A good part about that is that I can swap out the Heavy Bolters for Missile Launchers or Plasmaguns in the Veteran Squads if I want.

Thats always a good choice.

Missile launchers will be your friends in a Tank-Hunter army

Well, I got my sequence of paints figured out. Yellow is pain!

The sequence goes:
Undercoat white
Basecoat Yriel Yellow
Recess Shade Agrax Earthshade
Drybrush Hexos Palesun
Glaze Lamenters Yellow

I've got my own process

Undercoat Corax White
Basecoat Averland Sunset
Layer Phalanx yellow
Wash with agrax earthshade/seraphim sepia thinned down
Layer Sigismund yellow
Highlight Phalanx yellow
Thinner Highlights with Dorn yellow


and you thought your process was a pain :p

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Nevermind, I found it. Derp.

I am stripping the paint off my two Centurions and starting over. The paint scheme will be largely the same, but I will be basecoating in Averlund Sunset and doing an all-over layer of Yriel Yellow. I am going to substitute Reikland Fleshshade instead of Agrax Earthshade.

As for my army, I can't really decide what special weapon I should give my Breachers. Or should I even give them one since they really already expensive? I am leaning toward Meltaguns or Graviton Guns. Which would be better for largely stationary troops?

Stationary? graviton guns!

You can even try seraphim sepia instead of reikland fleshshade.

Paint up a single marine with that scheme before you decide! I've regretted some colour-schemes before...

Undercoat Black
Airbrush on a bone color
Airbrush On a yellow
Try Reikland Gloss
Highlight Bone
Highlight White
Make sure to seal with MATTE varnish

 teban wrote:
Stationary? graviton guns!

You can even try seraphim sepia instead of reikland fleshshade.

Paint up a single marine with that scheme before you decide! I've regretted some colour-schemes before...

I have done one with Agrax Earthshade, one with Seraphim Sepia, and one with Reikland Flesh Shade. I like the Reikland Fleshshade the best since it becomes a sort of orange tint on the yellow. The Sepia doesn't quite become dark enough, but the Earthshade becomes too dark.

Graviton Guns seem to be the better option for Breachers, especially since they will be a shield wall in the back.

Here is the new list:

Stone Gauntlet
HQ:
Alexis Polux - 165 pts
Legion Centurion (Artificer Armor, Power Sword, Bolt Pistol, Refractor Field, Consul - Legion Champion) - 125 pts
Legion Centurion (Artificer Armor, Power Maul, Bolt Pistol, Refractor Field, Consul - Legion Champion) - 125 pts

Troops:
Legion Breacher Siege Squad (2x Graviton Guns) - 245 pts
Legion Breacher Siege Squad (2x Graviton Guns) - 245 pts
Legion Tactical Support Squad (Artificer Armor Sergeant, 5x Plasmaguns) - 185 pts

Elites:
Legion Terminator Squad (Plasma Blaster, probably axes on 3x Terminators) - 190 pts
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (Artificer Armor Sergeant, 2x Heavy Bolter with Suspensor Web, Veteran Tactics - Marksmen) - 210 pts
Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (Artificer Armor Sergeant, 2x Heavy Bolter with Suspensor Web, Veteran Tactics - Marksmen) - 210 pts

Heavy Support
Legion Heavy Support Squad (5x Missile Launchers) - 160 pts

Total Points - 1850/1850 pts

What does everyone think of that list?

If you really want to do an infantry-only list, consider dropping those 2 centurions, add a heavy support squad of heavy bolters and/or more missile launchers.

Apothecaries will increase the survivability of your Breachers now that they are T5

if someone uses land raiders or vehicles against you in general, you will have a very hard time.

Also, if someone brings artillery (phospex), you will be having an even worse day.



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since youre bringing terminators, how about throwing some storm shields in there? they would greatly benefit of that T5 and you could pair them with Polux and deepstrike somewhere on the table to destroy something important

Yeah, that is a good point. I am going to probably drop at least one of the Centurions. Adding more Missile Launchers would probably be a good thing. An Apothecary would be good. Two would allow me to beef up the Breachers.

I will look into adding some Storm Shields to the Terminators.

I will take a look at some vehicles. I want the Heresy Era Rhino, but I hate paying FW prices.

I have been reading that Alexis Polux'stone ability to Deep Strike a unit supercedes the limitations of the Stone Gauntlet. Does this argument hold water?

How I did mine was...

Airbrush 2 coats of Termiantus Stone
Wash in a 50/50 mix of lamian medium and earthshade
Do 3 coats of Lamenters yellow. Its semi bright, but the wash of earth shade makes the recessed areas really nice and gives them a dirty look. Plus is crazy easy. Lots of WIP still, but gives the base idea

The issue is if I go out of the lines, its a paint to clean up, so it really makes you want to be careful. I'm also not happy with the round silver shoulder buttons. Possibly might make red, not sure. Havent seen Imp fist tartaros termies much to get others ideas.

I have seen that technique before. It looks great, but it has almost zero margin for error, which makes it less than ideal for me. I have my yellow pinned down. The Averlund Sunset basecoat under an all-over layer of Yriel Yellow makes a nice bright yellow.

As for my army itself, I am considering taking out the two Centurions and adding in a Lascannon Legion Heavy Support Squad. That should help close the loop with heavy stuff like Land Raiders, especially when I get Tank Hunters on then. Thoughts?

That can work. Have you thought about a Leviathan Dread with melta lance at all? Think it fits them theme wise and very good anti tank

str00dles1 wrote:
That can work. Have you thought about a Leviathan Dread with melta lance at all? Think it fits them theme wise and very good anti tank

it would bring me over on points, but it crossed my mind.

I just realized that the Burning of Prospero Tartaros Terminators don't have enough power weapons for me to give them. Looks like I will be taking the Artificer Armor off the VLTS to make enough points for them to have Power Fists or Lightning Claws.


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The more I think of it, the Hammerfall Strike Force might be a better fit for me. Sure, I am giving up the ability to have T5, but I could run two 15-man Tactical Squads. Plus, I am not sacrificing Alexis Polux's ability to attach himself to a unit and deep strike. Pointswise, it is a lot cheaper due to not needing to take two squads of expensive Breachers.

Is this a good idea?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
That can work. Have you thought about a Leviathan Dread with melta lance at all? Think it fits them theme wise and very good anti tank

it would bring me over on points, but it crossed my mind.

I just realized that the Burning of Prospero Tartaros Terminators don't have enough power weapons for me to give them. Looks like I will be taking the Artificer Armor off the VLTS to make enough points for them to have Power Fists or Lightning Claws.


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The more I think of it, the Hammerfall Strike Force might be a better fit for me. Sure, I am giving up the ability to have T5, but I could run two 15-man Tactical Squads. Plus, I am not sacrificing Alexis Polux's ability to attach himself to a unit and deep strike. Pointswise, it is a lot cheaper due to not needing to take two squads of expensive Breachers.

Is this a good idea?

2 15-man squads of breachers isn't too bad of an idea though, in both points and functionality.

As to running the hammerfall strike force, it's a SUPER risky ROW since you have so little on the board turn 1, and without decent reserve manipulation, it will be hard to reliably get everyone in when you need them :(

 Brennonjw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
That can work. Have you thought about a Leviathan Dread with melta lance at all? Think it fits them theme wise and very good anti tank

it would bring me over on points, but it crossed my mind.

I just realized that the Burning of Prospero Tartaros Terminators don't have enough power weapons for me to give them. Looks like I will be taking the Artificer Armor off the VLTS to make enough points for them to have Power Fists or Lightning Claws.


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The more I think of it, the Hammerfall Strike Force might be a better fit for me. Sure, I am giving up the ability to have T5, but I could run two 15-man Tactical Squads. Plus, I am not sacrificing Alexis Polux's ability to attach himself to a unit and deep strike. Pointswise, it is a lot cheaper due to not needing to take two squads of expensive Breachers.

Is this a good idea?

2 15-man squads of breachers isn't too bad of an idea though, in both points and functionality.

As to running the hammerfall strike force, it's a SUPER risky ROW since you have so little on the board turn 1, and without decent reserve manipulation, it will be hard to reliably get everyone in when you need them :(

my Breachers would be two 10-man squads. That is what I was thinking with the Hammerfall. I think I will keep my original plan of doing a Stone Gauntlet. It sucks that there isn't really a RoW that works well with Alexis Polux.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
That can work. Have you thought about a Leviathan Dread with melta lance at all? Think it fits them theme wise and very good anti tank

it would bring me over on points, but it crossed my mind.

I just realized that the Burning of Prospero Tartaros Terminators don't have enough power weapons for me to give them. Looks like I will be taking the Artificer Armor off the VLTS to make enough points for them to have Power Fists or Lightning Claws.


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The more I think of it, the Hammerfall Strike Force might be a better fit for me. Sure, I am giving up the ability to have T5, but I could run two 15-man Tactical Squads. Plus, I am not sacrificing Alexis Polux's ability to attach himself to a unit and deep strike. Pointswise, it is a lot cheaper due to not needing to take two squads of expensive Breachers.

Is this a good idea?

2 15-man squads of breachers isn't too bad of an idea though, in both points and functionality.

As to running the hammerfall strike force, it's a SUPER risky ROW since you have so little on the board turn 1, and without decent reserve manipulation, it will be hard to reliably get everyone in when you need them :(

my Breachers would be two 10-man squads. That is what I was thinking with the Hammerfall. I think I will keep my original plan of doing a Stone Gauntlet. It sucks that there isn't really a RoW that works well with Alexis Polux.

Running no ROW is still "viable" in 30k (to be fair, basically everything is "viable" in 30k unless you're really splitting hairs. trying to bring something super cheesy)

 Brennonjw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
That can work. Have you thought about a Leviathan Dread with melta lance at all? Think it fits them theme wise and very good anti tank

it would bring me over on points, but it crossed my mind.

I just realized that the Burning of Prospero Tartaros Terminators don't have enough power weapons for me to give them. Looks like I will be taking the Artificer Armor off the VLTS to make enough points for them to have Power Fists or Lightning Claws.


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The more I think of it, the Hammerfall Strike Force might be a better fit for me. Sure, I am giving up the ability to have T5, but I could run two 15-man Tactical Squads. Plus, I am not sacrificing Alexis Polux's ability to attach himself to a unit and deep strike. Pointswise, it is a lot cheaper due to not needing to take two squads of expensive Breachers.

Is this a good idea?

2 15-man squads of breachers isn't too bad of an idea though, in both points and functionality.

As to running the hammerfall strike force, it's a SUPER risky ROW since you have so little on the board turn 1, and without decent reserve manipulation, it will be hard to reliably get everyone in when you need them :(

my Breachers would be two 10-man squads. That is what I was thinking with the Hammerfall. I think I will keep my original plan of doing a Stone Gauntlet. It sucks that there isn't really a RoW that works well with Alexis Polux.

Running no ROW is still "viable" in 30k (to be fair, basically everything is "viable" in 30k unless you're really splitting hairs. trying to bring something super cheesy)

True. Pride of the Legion would give my opponent a bonus for killing my Veteran Squads. No RoW will allow me to run my current list to the best of its ability. Polux's ability to grab my Plasmagun Tactical Support Squad or my Terminator Squad and stick them right in the enemy's face is just too cool to pass up for the Stone Gauntlet.

To be honest people are too worried about losing extra victory points for losing all of the vets and termies in pride of the legion, if you do lose them your going to lose anyway as you generally wont have anything else to score with.
Imperial fists bonuses
storm shields
best ever shooting with bolter guns
assault cannons
tank hunter on heavy support squads
A rite of war which gives you T5
these things are what matter.

 King Amroth wrote:
To be honest people are too worried about losing extra victory points for losing all of the vets and termies in pride of the legion, if you do lose them your going to lose anyway as you generally wont have anything else to score with.
Imperial fists bonuses
storm shields
best ever shooting with bolter guns
assault cannons
tank hunter on heavy support squads
A rite of war which gives you T5
these things are what matter.

All great points. I will probably build my army so it can behave like a Stone Gauntlet if I want, but will probably run it without a RoW for right now.

In the even I don't get Alexis Polux any time soon, how is this for a custom Praetor.

Legion Praetor
-Artificer Armor
-Iron Halo
-Paragon Blade
-Bolt Pistol
-Digital Lasers

165 pts

Truthfully, this is what my Power Sword/Bolt Pistol Centurion will likely function as until I actually get Polux. He is already built(converted from Kurtha Sedd) and painting is in progress.