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 Chongara wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Whats up with th GOP and fielding morons, and fairly clever businessmen who act like morons, for Senate and Presidential positions.
Neither Obama, not Clinton are much to go with, definitely more froth than coffee. But they appear to be paragons of competence compared to what they are fielded against.
When will they learn?


Are bookies anywhere giving any profitable odds on Clinton being next president, or is it just too clear.

Again, if you like things just like they are, you will vote for Clinton. She is the penultimate status quo candidate. if you don't, you vote for someone else. The world may be surprised at how many vote for someone else.

That's a bit like taking a torch to your house because you're tired of the leaky roof. Just because things aren't perfect doesn't meany any change is better. You don't cure a stuffy a nose by blowing it off your face with a shotgun.

To many people its not that the roof leaks, but that there is no roof, you have no job, no health care, and your kids will do worse than you did.
Meanwhile the dickbag down the street is living in a mansion, driving a Porsche, and his kids go to Harvard witha guaranteed job.
Enough to grow the old Fidel Beard and join the Revolucion.

Hottest woman in politics ever if it were to happen. I doubt even he would do it, he is a bit smarter than that. Great publicity stunt though from the master of publicity.

I vote for her if she ran for Senate....or House Rep.

 sebster wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
How many wife's would that be between the two?

About 10 less than it would take before the family values guys started actually getting worried about it

Unless there's another man involved in there.

Then a flood will wash away the Earth or something and people become salt shakers.


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Col. Dash wrote:
Hottest woman in politics ever if it were to happen. I doubt even he would do it, he is a bit smarter than that. Great publicity stunt though from the master of publicity.

Clearly you've never seen Queen Rania from Jordan.

Col. Dash wrote:
Hottest woman in politics ever if it were to happen. I doubt even he would do it, he is a bit smarter than that. Great publicity stunt though from the master of publicity.

I dunno man, pretty sure there was a german politician in office that posed topless for her election campaign, she was pretty hot. (Not Merkel, thank the gods not Merkel)

 Frazzled wrote:
To many people its not that the roof leaks, but that there is no roof, you have no job, no health care, and your kids will do worse than you did.
Meanwhile the dickbag down the street is living in a mansion, driving a Porsche, and his kids go to Harvard witha guaranteed job.
Enough to grow the old Fidel Beard and join the Revolucion.

See, this is why y'all need Sanders.

Like, that guy got basically everything right.

I'm voting Giant Meteor.

He might as well though, he's going to lose BIGTIME anyway.
Do all Trumps speak in hyperbole? " He's talking to the best people." What a duoche his son is.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I'm voting Giant Meteor.

He might as well though, he's going to lose BIGTIME anyway.
Do all Trumps speak in hyperbole? " He's talking to the best people." What a duoche his son is.

I assume that his father coached him before going to interviews. There is also the chance he is trying to emulate him because he looks up to him/wants to be him.

Which is sad. Poor kid has no good role models in his life.

It's ok. Like her father she would probably have "people to handle it" when asked about tough desicions or debate on her experience.

I would seriously fall out the chair if Bernie does not support Hillary. I would laugh so hard if he told his followers to follow their heart and vote who they think is capable of running the US. Endorses Ivanka for VP. Totally going in style

Scuttlebutt is that Sanders is going to endorse Clinton on Tuesday. They are scheduled to make a joint appearance, so that seems like a likely time.

Still though. Live TV.
Sander: "I cannot endorse the Democrat nomination at this time due to the questionable double standards we have."
Hillary: ".................."
Sander, 2020

Edit

He dose that he gets my vote 125% in 2020

If he's smart (and he does appear to be) he'll throw his weight behind Clinton, but capitalize on what he's help create to start a movement. Getting like-minded people into politics and elected office, federal, state, and local, is the best thing he and his people can do to advance the cause.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
If he's smart (and he does appear to be) he'll throw his weight behind Clinton, but capitalize on what he's help create to start a movement. Getting like-minded people into politics and elected office, federal, state, and local, is the best thing he and his people can do to advance the cause.

problem is why doesn't he just come out and endorse her? hes gotten about all the concessions hes gonna get, feel like hes gonna do an ally oop at the convention.

Asterios wrote:
problem is why doesn't he just come out and endorse her? hes gotten about all the concessions hes gonna get, feel like hes gonna do an ally oop at the convention.

Honestly, which do you think is more likely:

1) Sanders is still negotiating with the democrats and it's just taking time to work stuff out.

or

2) Sanders is going to blow up the convention and declare himself a third-party candidate, despite having no hope of winning and running as a third-party candidate being the biggest possible contribution he could make to getting Trump elected.

I think it should be pretty obvious to everyone that he is either going to work something out and endorse Clinton, or at least sit quietly and wait for the next election. And if he's the kind of selfish narcissist who would rather support the candidate who opposes everything he stands for than the candidate who agrees with him on most issues but won his party's nomination why would anyone want to vote for him?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Whats up with th GOP and fielding morons, and fairly clever businessmen who act like morons, for Senate and Presidential positions.
Neither Obama, not Clinton are much to go with, definitely more froth than coffee. But they appear to be paragons of competence compared to what they are fielded against.
When will they learn?


Are bookies anywhere giving any profitable odds on Clinton being next president, or is it just too clear.

Again, if you like things just like they are, you will vote for Clinton. She is the penultimate status quo candidate. if you don't, you vote for someone else. The world may be surprised at how many vote for someone else.

That's a bit like taking a torch to your house because you're tired of the leaky roof. Just because things aren't perfect doesn't meany any change is better. You don't cure a stuffy a nose by blowing it off your face with a shotgun.

To many people its not that the roof leaks, but that there is no roof, you have no job, no health care, and your kids will do worse than you did.
Meanwhile the dickbag down the street is living in a mansion, driving a Porsche, and his kids go to Harvard witha guaranteed job.
Enough to grow the old Fidel Beard and join the Revolucion.

Do people with those problems go running to the Republican party?
Why!!

 Peregrine wrote:

Asterios wrote:
problem is why doesn't he just come out and endorse her? hes gotten about all the concessions hes gonna get, feel like hes gonna do an ally oop at the convention.

Honestly, which do you think is more likely:

1) Sanders is still negotiating with the democrats and it's just taking time to work stuff out.

or

2) Sanders is going to blow up the convention and declare himself a third-party candidate, despite having no hope of winning and running as a third-party candidate being the biggest possible contribution he could make to getting Trump elected.

I think it should be pretty obvious to everyone that he is either going to work something out and endorse Clinton, or at least sit quietly and wait for the next election. And if he's the kind of selfish narcissist who would rather support the candidate who opposes everything he stands for than the candidate who agrees with him on most issues but won his party's nomination why would anyone want to vote for him?

negotiations are over, he got all the concessions his party was willing to give, and even they did not meet up to what he wanted. as to what he will do hard to say, I just find it troubling he has not dropped out of the race yet.

Asterios wrote:
negotiations are over, he got all the concessions his party was willing to give, and even they did not meet up to what he wanted.

{citation needed}

Do you have a high-level source in the party leadership that has leaked very private information, or are you just speculating about this?

as to what he will do hard to say, I just find it troubling he has not dropped out of the race yet.

And, again, running third-party would have zero chance of success and a significant chance of electing the person most opposed to Sanders' positions instead of the candidate who agrees with him on most stuff. The only remaining question is how strongly he will endorse Clinton, whether it will be enthusiastic support and working together, or quiet acceptance and preparing for a better campaign in 2020.

 Peregrine wrote:

Asterios wrote:
negotiations are over, he got all the concessions his party was willing to give, and even they did not meet up to what he wanted.

{citation needed}

Do you have a high-level source in the party leadership that has leaked very private information, or are you just speculating about this?

as to what he will do hard to say, I just find it troubling he has not dropped out of the race yet.

And, again, running third-party would have zero chance of success and a significant chance of electing the person most opposed to Sanders' positions instead of the candidate who agrees with him on most stuff. The only remaining question is how strongly he will endorse Clinton, whether it will be enthusiastic support and working together, or quiet acceptance and preparing for a better campaign in 2020.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/sanders-clinton-endorsement-convention-225176

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-democrats-platform-bernie-sanders-20160710-snap-story.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/09/politics/democrats-15-an-hour-minimum-wage-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/

also forgot to mention the Jill Stein offered Sanders the chance to lead the Green Party on the ticket.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/08/jill-stein-bernie-sanders-green-party

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/jill_stein_offers_green_party_presidential_ticket_to_bernie_sanders_2016070

I think he said himself he's going to go to the convention and then endorse her.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think he said himself he's going to go to the convention and then endorse her.

he hasn't even said that. only thing close to that he has said is if between Trump and Clinton he might vote for Clinton.

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think he said himself he's going to go to the convention and then endorse her.

he hasn't even said that. only thing close to that he has said is if between Trump and Clinton he might vote for Clinton.

He has said he will support her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93
“Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

Sounds like he's saying he will endorse her to me. Now that was back when he has a mathematical chance, so I doubt that he stance has changed. And he may endorse her even sooner now.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think he said himself he's going to go to the convention and then endorse her.

he hasn't even said that. only thing close to that he has said is if between Trump and Clinton he might vote for Clinton.

He has said he will support her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93
“Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

Sounds like he's saying he will endorse her to me. Now that was back when he has a mathematical chance, so I doubt that he stance has changed. And he may endorse her even sooner now.

then why hasn't he endorsed her?

also you forgot this part:

Last month, he told the progressive network The Young Turks that he would make several policy demands of Clinton before supporting her, including that she back a $15-an-hour minimum wage, stronger financial regulation and a concerted effort to fight climate change. He also expressed reservations about her consistency on policy issues and her ties to oil and gas companies.

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think he said himself he's going to go to the convention and then endorse her.

he hasn't even said that. only thing close to that he has said is if between Trump and Clinton he might vote for Clinton.

He has said he will support her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93
“Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

Sounds like he's saying he will endorse her to me. Now that was back when he has a mathematical chance, so I doubt that he stance has changed. And he may endorse her even sooner now.

then why hasn't he endorsed her?

also you forgot this part:

Last month, he told the progressive network The Young Turks that he would make several policy demands of Clinton before supporting her, including that she back a $15-an-hour minimum wage, stronger financial regulation and a concerted effort to fight climate change. He also expressed reservations about her consistency on policy issues and her ties to oil and gas companies.

Possibly because it isn't Tuesday yet. Here's the relevant post, helpfully quoted:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Scuttlebutt is that Sanders is going to endorse Clinton on Tuesday. They are scheduled to make a joint appearance, so that seems like a likely time.

Also, didn't just one of those things literally just happen? The $15 minimum wage support thing? It must have, someone started a thread about it right in this forum...

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think he said himself he's going to go to the convention and then endorse her.

he hasn't even said that. only thing close to that he has said is if between Trump and Clinton he might vote for Clinton.

He has said he will support her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93
“Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

Sounds like he's saying he will endorse her to me. Now that was back when he has a mathematical chance, so I doubt that he stance has changed. And he may endorse her even sooner now.

then why hasn't he endorsed her?

Because he can still get his policy pushed through into the platform. At this point he has everything to gain by waiting until his policy has been pushed through. And what is being reported is that he has had his policy put in and now he will endorse this week some time.

also you forgot this part:

Last month, he told the progressive network The Young Turks that he would make several policy demands of Clinton before supporting her, including that she back a $15-an-hour minimum wage, stronger financial regulation and a concerted effort to fight climate change. He also expressed reservations about her consistency on policy issues and her ties to oil and gas companies.

Well, no I did't, I just thought it irrelevant as the party just did the $15 minimum (you actually made a thread on that), climate change is already in the D platform, and I'm pretty sure better regulation is as well.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Well, no I did't, I just thought it irrelevant as the party just did the $15 minimum (you actually made a thread on that), climate change is already in the D platform, and I'm pretty sure better regulation is as well.

actually that article also said he was not happy with the agreement, because of the wording, the wording made it sound like its not gonna happen any time soon, cause the Unions requested the part of the increase happening over time. also he lost on Trade since he was not a fan of the TPP either.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/bernie_sanders_trade_wins_hillary_clintons_support_on_health_care_20160709

but that also brings back another question, even if Sanders supports Clinton, it does not mean all his supporters will, in fact it looks quite the opposite with some sites calling him traitor:

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/07/bernie-or-bust-declares-sanders-a-traitor/

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Well, no I did't, I just thought it irrelevant as the party just did the $15 minimum (you actually made a thread on that), climate change is already in the D platform, and I'm pretty sure better regulation is as well.

actually that article also said he was not happy with the agreement, because of the wording, the wording made it sound like its not gonna happen any time soon, cause the Unions requested the part of the increase happening over time. also he lost on Trade since he was not a fan of the TPP either.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/bernie_sanders_trade_wins_hillary_clintons_support_on_health_care_20160709

Actually, she flipped on the TTP a while back. Becase of Sanders most likely.

but that also brings back another question, even if Sanders supports Clinton, it does not mean all his supporters will, in fact it looks quite the opposite with some sites calling him traitor:

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/07/bernie-or-bust-declares-sanders-a-traitor/

People said the same thing about Clinton supporters in 2008.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


People said the same thing about Clinton supporters in 2008.

not really. also she supported Obama long before the convention too.

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


People said the same thing about Clinton supporters in 2008.

not really.

Yes, actually.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

also she supported Obama long before the convention too.

Yep, but her and Obama's goals were close enough that she had nothing to gain. And she got to be Sec. of State, if you remember.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


People said the same thing about Clinton supporters in 2008.

not really.

Yes, actually.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

also she supported Obama long before the convention too.

Yep, but her and Obama's goals were close enough that she had nothing to gain. And she got to be Sec. of State, if you remember.

which is why most of her Supporters were willing to go with Obama, unlike with Sanders supporters which are not.