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GW has been listening quite a lot to their fans. No one thought AdMech/Skitarri would see a release. People said DW was impossible. I'm real sick of hearing the word impossible. People don't seem to know how to use it anymore. They said Eldrad and Yennead was impossible. The end times was impossible. I'm real sick of hearing whats impossible at this point. Just keep asking folks and the people who say its "impossible" will be proven wrong again. As they always are.

Yes it's not impossible. But is it desirable? You want Tau to get less releases in return of new faction?

Did any of us call this impossible? The fact remains it is very unlikely. It is out of GW's pattern, even its new one, the release wouldn't make much sense, it would push back the updates that several factions are in dire need of, and the faction would likely involve some fluff rape.

I can live with that if it means more diversity in the range as a whole. The Tau just got a ton of new models last update. I would expect an AdMech + Half a Skitarii release to flesh this army out.

tneva82 wrote:
Yes it's not impossible. But is it desirable? You want Tau to get less releases in return of new faction?

Replace Tau with BA, IG, DE, Nids and CSM.

8th edition would be the most ideal time for them to do this. With the new rules they don't need to worry about making them compatible with older versions of the rules. Heck if the game is streamlined enough it might be easy to add them since the rules are far less complex. I realize the Chaos are up next on the update block and won't want to take that from them, but I do want to see a new Xenos army. Badly. I don't care what they make either as long as its Xenos and well made.

If I were a betting man, I would put money on 8E doing to 7E what 6E did to 5E.

As I have never played anything but 7th that analogy is lost on me.

It means, add in all supplements (such as death from the skies), add about a hundred unnecessary house rules, increase the size of the game again, double or triple the amount of random in the game, and revamp certain mechanics to be more long winded and broken.

Everything we've heard has said they are streamlining it.

Where are these rumours?

 Gamgee wrote:
I can live with that if it means more diversity in the range as a whole. The Tau just got a ton of new models last update. I would expect an AdMech + Half a Skitarii release to flesh this army out.

More diversity but with token support. Okay let's phrase another way. You happy with new faction if it means admech not getting fleshed out?

They don't support CURRENT non-marine factions properly. Any new faction would only eat from that already too spread out support. It's not "as now+new faction". It's "reduced now+new faction".

Just go look and find them. Far too numerous to list.

I can live with that for one more small dose of variety. Granted I also wish they would tone down marine production for a year to focus on all other factions.

 Gamgee wrote:
Just go look and find them. Far too numerous to list.

Burden of proof is yours. If there ate too many, it should be easy to give one or two examples.

I'm too tired of internet debates to provide proof right now (you would be too if you were almost never wrong). Just take my word on it that it's happening. I'm not always right. Just usually.

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm too tired of internet debates to provide proof right now (you would be too if you were almost never wrong). Just take my word on it that it's happening. I'm not always right. Just usually.

That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard.

"I know that I am never wrong, so you cannot ever be right"

 Selym wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm too tired of internet debates to provide proof right now (you would be too if you were almost never wrong). Just take my word on it that it's happening. I'm not always right. Just usually.

That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard.

"I know that I am never wrong, so you cannot ever be right"

That is because it's not a debate. Your trying to make it one. When all I am doing is informing you. Your coming in all combat ready and I'm just passing on what I've heard.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm too tired of internet debates to provide proof right now (you would be too if you were almost never wrong). Just take my word on it that it's happening. I'm not always right. Just usually.

That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard.

"I know that I am never wrong, so you cannot ever be right"

That is because it's not a debate. Your trying to make it one. When all I am doing is informing you. Your coming in all combat ready and I'm just passing on what I've heard.

So the contribution to the discussion you are making is just a statement of "you are wrong"?

Much helpful. So discursive.

A new race would be fun but what niche/gimmic would it have?

Anti-Warp cthulhu horror. Not simply being low warp sensitivity but warp eaters.

A mix of strange geometric lines and tentacle horror (no not the other kind. Go online for that). They need to look both horrifying and extremely ordered since they don't have any concept of chaos.

 Gamgee wrote:
Anti-Warp cthulhu horror. Not simply being low warp sensitivity but warp eaters.

A mix of strange geometric lines and tentacle horror (no not the other kind. Go online for that). They need to look both horrifying and extremely ordered since they don't have any concept of chaos.

...So...Necrons?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Anti-Warp cthulhu horror. Not simply being low warp sensitivity but warp eaters.

A mix of strange geometric lines and tentacle horror (no not the other kind. Go online for that). They need to look both horrifying and extremely ordered since they don't have any concept of chaos.

...So...Necrons?

I said gemoetric lines. Not friggen Egyptians in space. My poor poor old crons. :( Hmmm I think the most basic idea of this would look at the no mans sky crystal logo thing and then add in 40k grim dark and tentacle horrors. I would expect all their forces to levitate off the ground. The newcrons can keep the pyramids, but this faction would use a lot of geometric shapes. Another good example is in X3 there is the Khaak who's small ships form into larger ones by linking together (they do have a pyramid shape to their basic ship though). I think it would look neat to see them linking up into bigger and bigger things. They want to spread absolute order to the universe at the cost of all that is chaos. Their unique biology feeds of off chaos powers. Considering they are such an unusual species they don't get along well with others and find their thought processes strange. They are perhaps one of the most intelligent species int he universe but refuse to change unless their enemies begin to beat them or they lose ground. They tend to think their forms are so superior they should never change unless absolutely necessary.

 Gamgee wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Anti-Warp cthulhu horror. Not simply being low warp sensitivity but warp eaters.

A mix of strange geometric lines and tentacle horror (no not the other kind. Go online for that). They need to look both horrifying and extremely ordered since they don't have any concept of chaos.

...So...Necrons?

I said gemoetric lines. Not friggen Egyptians in space. My poor poor old crons. :( Hmmm I think the most basic idea of this would look at the no mans sky crystal logo thing and then add in 40k grim dark and tentacle horrors. I would expect all their forces to levitate off the ground. The newcrons can keep the pyramids, but this faction would use a lot of geometric shapes. Another good example is in X3 there is the Khaak who's small ships form into larger ones by linking together (they do have a pyramid shape to their basic ship though). I think it would look neat to see them linking up into bigger and bigger things. They want to spread absolute order to the universe at the cost of all that is chaos. Their unique biology feeds of off chaos powers.

...So...Replicator (Stargate) Necrons.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Anti-Warp cthulhu horror. Not simply being low warp sensitivity but warp eaters.

A mix of strange geometric lines and tentacle horror (no not the other kind. Go online for that). They need to look both horrifying and extremely ordered since they don't have any concept of chaos.

...So...Necrons?

I said gemoetric lines. Not friggen Egyptians in space. My poor poor old crons. :( Hmmm I think the most basic idea of this would look at the no mans sky crystal logo thing and then add in 40k grim dark and tentacle horrors. I would expect all their forces to levitate off the ground. The newcrons can keep the pyramids, but this faction would use a lot of geometric shapes. Another good example is in X3 there is the Khaak who's small ships form into larger ones by linking together (they do have a pyramid shape to their basic ship though). I think it would look neat to see them linking up into bigger and bigger things. They want to spread absolute order to the universe at the cost of all that is chaos. Their unique biology feeds of off chaos powers.

...So...Replicator (Stargate) Necrons.

Possibly personality wise, but visually no. Eldrazi are a good look for their biological side and then the geometric cubes would be their vehicles and fusions.

Gamgee wrote:As I have never played anything but 7th that analogy is lost on me.

Gamgee wrote:
My poor poor old crons. :(

If you've never played before 7th how are they "you poor old crons"?

Your initial point is that we're seeing something building up in the fluff, and this might be an indication of something new on the table top.

Do time frames match? That's an actual question, not a rhetorical one: how long does it take for GW to produce a new model line? Because I don't think they would really hint at a new release unless they're certain they're going to do it. So if the fluff is really building up for a new release (and isn't just a fluff thing), then I suppose GW would already be working on the models as we speak.

Before the DW release, we had a long time without any 40K release (we had many Start Collecting and stuff). Is it because they were actively working on DW? Or do they work on a model for many many month before they release it (I mean the sculpt and the mold production, not just the idea in the studio)?
I heard rumors that DW was released because of Overkill's huge success. If that's true, and they did decide to produce all these new DW models only after Overkill's success, then it means they can do the complete production cycle in just a few month. If it's that fast, and the fluff really hints at a new release, then this release would be in just a few month.

Most rumors converge to say that Chaos is the next big release (and they already get a few things next week). Would this new race be the next thing then? They might still have Genestealer Cult in the pipes (although it could be a small release, with mostly repacks of the Overkill models and a codex).

But maybe they have a much longer production cycle, and they could already be working on stuff that will get released in a very long time...

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Gamgee wrote:As I have never played anything but 7th that analogy is lost on me.

Gamgee wrote:
My poor poor old crons. :(

If you've never played before 7th how are they "you poor old crons"?

When I was about to start the game I was looking into the Necrons instead of Tau and then the big shift happened only shortly before I started getting into the hobby. I was a fan of their lore and read a lot of the cool stories around the net about them. Then newcrons happened. I was a fan of Necrons as presented in DoW Dark Crusade (old crons).

Genstealer Cult is rumored to be coming, could your signs and protents be pointing towards them ?

So, my take on it would be something different from the Gamgee's Warp eater .
I don't like that there are so many "anti warp" races currently, so I don't want one more.

The rak'gol are really close to what I wishe:

they aren't similar to necrons, tyranids, etc...

they have an inferior / equal tech to the Imperium (I think this is an important point: the eldars , the necrons and the tau are famous for their super tech, we absolutely don't need another high tech army).

they merge bio and tech together. it is cool to feature this on a xenos race, and not only Chaos/admech.

They use the warp (I truly think the Warp is an important aspect of 40k and shouldn't be dismissed).

They are grimdark !

I like the look of the Collectors's ships in Mass Effect.
It can be a good idea to give their ships this visual.

I could get on board with Rak'gol as well. Any species really so long as its a new Xenos. There is only one I don't want. Squats. No squats GW. Demiurg are okay though.