Scenery rules question

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**Aezeal**

For a free thing that is good. But something like a casting value of 11 for some of the monstrous Arcanum dragons/monsters that can be summoned only (destruction allegiance so cannot be placed right away) but still costs points is a bit harsh.. 5x a chance on a 11+... not very nice.

**NinthMusketeer**

Aezeal wrote:
For a free thing that is good. But something like a casting value of 11 for some of the monstrous Arcanum dragons/monsters that can be summoned only (destruction allegiance so cannot be placed right away) but still costs points is a bit harsh.. 5x a chance on a 11+... not very nice.

You can only summon from the same Grand Alliance.

**Kriswall**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Aezeal wrote:
For a free thing that is good. But something like a casting value of 11 for some of the monstrous Arcanum dragons/monsters that can be summoned only (destruction allegiance so cannot be placed right away) but still costs points is a bit harsh.. 5x a chance on a 11+... not very nice.
You can only summon from the same Grand Alliance.

Is that a rule? I know the one Beastmen Shaman guy has an ability that allows him to summon any monster. Presumably, that would include cross-Alliance monsters.

**Ghaz**

Kriswall wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Aezeal wrote:
For a free thing that is good. But something like a casting value of 11 for some of the monstrous Arcanum dragons/monsters that can be summoned only (destruction allegiance so cannot be placed right away) but still costs points is a bit harsh.. 5x a chance on a 11+... not very nice.
You can only summon from the same Grand Alliance.

Is that a rule? I know the one Beastmen Shaman guy has an ability that allows him to summon any monster. Presumably, that would include cross-Alliance monsters.

Yes, its in the General's Handbook FAQ:

Page 108 – Reinforcement Points
Add the following to the end of the second paragraph: ‘Reinforcement units must belong to the same Grand Alliance as the rest of your army, but can otherwise have any allegiance. Because restrictions are determined when you pick your army, units added later using reinforcement points can allow the army to exceed the normal limitations for leaders, artillery and behemoths.’

Also note that the Great Bray-Shaman Warscroll from the Grand Alliance Chaos book limits him to summoning a Chaos Monster. Only the Compendium warscroll allows him to summon any monster.

**Kriswall**

Ghaz wrote:
Kriswall wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Aezeal wrote:
For a free thing that is good. But something like a casting value of 11 for some of the monstrous Arcanum dragons/monsters that can be summoned only (destruction allegiance so cannot be placed right away) but still costs points is a bit harsh.. 5x a chance on a 11+... not very nice.
You can only summon from the same Grand Alliance.

Is that a rule? I know the one Beastmen Shaman guy has an ability that allows him to summon any monster. Presumably, that would include cross-Alliance monsters.

Yes, its in the General's Handbook FAQ:

Page 108 – Reinforcement Points
Add the following to the end of the second paragraph: ‘Reinforcement units must belong to the same Grand Alliance as the rest of your army, but can otherwise have any allegiance. Because restrictions are determined when you pick your army, units added later using reinforcement points can allow the army to exceed the normal limitations for leaders, artillery and behemoths.’

Also note that the Great Bray-Shaman Warscroll from the Grand Alliance Chaos book limits him to summoning a Chaos Monster. Only the Compendium warscroll allows him to summon any monster.

Ah. Understood. I don't actually know anyone who plays Beastmen and didn't have my GHB on me. Very few of my regular opponents use reinforcement points, so they're always a little hazy in my mind.

**Aezeal**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Aezeal wrote:
For a free thing that is good. But something like a casting value of 11 for some of the monstrous Arcanum dragons/monsters that can be summoned only (destruction allegiance so cannot be placed right away) but still costs points is a bit harsh.. 5x a chance on a 11+... not very nice.
You can only summon from the same Grand Alliance.

Hmm ok then that part of their rules isn't useable in matched play I guess.

**Requizen**

Amusing note - the Celestial Hurricanum and Coven Throne count as Hero Wizard models and not Monsters... and therefore can be placed on top of a Balewind Vortex still.

I don't think any TO would let you do this but just funny to note.

**NinthMusketeer**

I've said before that I'm waiting for people to realize the potential of luminarks on vortex's.

**Requizen**

As of the latest update, summoning a Balewind Vortex costs 100 points from your summoning total: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Errata/ENG_Silver_Tower_PB.pdf

Also note that anyone can use a Sylvaneth Wildwood for 40 points except Sylvaneth get it for free. And it seems to be that those Wildwoods can only be used in "unit" sizes of 1.

**Aezeal**

Requizen wrote:
As of the latest update, summoning a Balewind Vortex costs 100 points from your summoning total: https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Errata/ENG_Silver_Tower_PB.pdf

Also note that anyone can use a Sylvaneth Wildwood for 40 points except Sylvaneth get it for free. And it seems to be that those Wildwoods can only be used in "unit" sizes of 1.

A unit might consist of 1 wildwood.. but a single wood consists of 3 bases

(unless changed again).

**BomBomHotdog**

actually they range in size from 1-3 bases as of the Sylvaneth battletome

that being said, is each base 40 points and your wildwoods only be 1 base? Or can you have multiple wildwoods at 40 points each ranging in size of 1-3 bases?

Unless your Sylvaneth of course.

**NinthMusketeer**

"A Sylvaneth Wyldwood is a terrain feature consisting of up to three Citadel Woods placed within 1" of each other."

So 40 points = 1 Wyldwood = 1-3 Citadel Woods

Its weird.

**Aezeal**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
"A Sylvaneth Wyldwood is a terrain feature consisting of up to three Citadel Woods placed within 1" of each other."

So 40 points = 1 Wyldwood = 1-3 Citadel Woods

Its weird.

And then you still need a way to summon it. Which is basicly only a TLA's herophase ability on 4+ since the spell and artifcact to summon it are sylvaneth only.

**NinthMusketeer**

I assume they didn't add the cost to Sylvaneth because they didn't want to charge those players for the initial Wyldwood they deploy before the game starts. Of course, a simple note or errata saying the first one is free for Sylvaneth allegiance would work fine, but oh well.

**Aezeal**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
I assume they didn't add the cost to Sylvaneth because they didn't want to charge those players for the initial Wyldwood they deploy before the game starts. Of course, a simple note or errata saying the first one is free for Sylvaneth allegiance would work fine, but oh well.

I think you assume wrong. I think their points are mostly based on near optimal conditions (which includes several wild woods) so you're paying for the whole package with your units.

**W1ntermute**

Ok, a question. I have Gaun Summoner with familiars from Silver Tower. When I succesfully cast Balewind Vortex and blue guy i goin atop of it - does the small guys going after him? The rule says move or place... Having additional +1 to casting would be nice with that range...

Any thoughts?

**Skullhammer**

Do the familiars have a war scroll/points? if so i'd say only the wizard who cast the spell go's up on the vortex if they dont then the whole lot can go up.

(I reserve the right to be wrong)

**W1ntermute**

Skullhammer wrote:
Do the familiars have a war scroll/points? if so i'd say only the wizard who cast the spell go's up on the vortex if they dont then the whole lot can go up.

(I reserve the right to be wrong)

Not really, they are part of the model. Giving additional hitpoints, you can even measure distance from them as if they are part of gaunt summoner:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-whquest-rules-en.pdf

**Skullhammer**

Haveing skimmed the scroll (thanks for the link) i'd say that they all go up as they are not seperate entities and act like wargear.

**W1ntermute**

Skullhammer wrote:
Haveing skimmed the scroll (thanks for the link) i'd say that they all go up as they are not seperate entities and act like wargear.

My thoughts exactly. I think he will be nice combo with Vortex