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 PipeAlley wrote:
Can an IC LoS a 6 when stomped?

It cannot be LOS'd, because it doesn't inflict a wound. It simply removes all models under the template from the table. That makes it highly useful against deathstars.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 PipeAlley wrote:
Can an IC LoS a 6 when stomped?

It cannot be LOS'd, because it doesn't inflict a wound. It simply removes all models under the template from the table. That makes it highly useful against deathstars.

If you are playing according to the ITC FAQ then it can be LOS'd.

I found out some more about the forces available to the opponent - likes using bikes with storm sheilds and thunder-hammers, has a unit grouping with a 3++ 3+++ which can become re-rollable, someone mentioned getting royally screwed by a character of his which had a re-rollable invuln save as well as a 2+++ all of which makes me wonder if going for rules which remove models from play is the way to go.

A knowlegeable sort who has watched this guy do this to people before said that his game plan is to strike quickly, get as much stuff comitted to melee combat asap; then when the game is nearly finished he backs off and runs for the objectives.

'n0t_u' knows how this will probably go since the guy is an adept list builder as well as a pretty good general from what i gather - he has an ego about beating everyone, but can actually back this up in deed.


I'm considering the culexus assassins again - what about putting them in a bastion with an escape hatch and a void sheild generator?

Also, is there a way of taking two fortifications?

I've just seen the new sisters of silence codex....

fething rhino's with a null feild? - FFS!

col_impact wrote:
For ITC format events, Damage from a Stomp attack that results in a 6 on the Stomp Table can be passed off of an affected model to a model not also under the stomp template with a successful “Look Out, Sir” roll, if the the target model can normally take a “Look Out, Sir” test.

Forgot about that; yeah unfortunately ITC is run by power-gamer-first tournament-organizer-second players. However, it's still a viable way to kill off chunks of his deathstar; and eventually his only choice will be LOSing to librarians and support HQs. It really sounds like this guy is tailoring to beat Knights, all the more reason to bring the Warhound
Or just show up with flying daemons and laugh at his melee deathstar.

Apparently he has a girlyman so a warhound stood on a skysheild landing pad is a must - does the IK codex say which ruleset to use?

 SirDonlad wrote:
Apparently he has a girlyman so a warhound stood on a skysheild landing pad is a must - does the IK codex say which ruleset to use?

Ruleset to use for what?

How do Guiliman = Warhound? Lmao. Guiliman sucks. Warhound is the next level of 40k. Over "standard" rules.

Guilliman is a "cheap" "Imperial Knight" since he is a LoW and can be placed in and Imperial army LoW slot. He can save you points for that Warhound.

SJ

But remember you can make Gulliman a Superheavy Walker buy making him the Warlord

Then you can lol as you rush him into his forces die, blow up and then respawn and repeat

Going with that same line of though, SHW aren't slain so his armour of fate shouldn't work.

col_impact wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:

 PipeAlley wrote:
Can an IC LoS a 6 when stomped?

It cannot be LOS'd, because it doesn't inflict a wound. It simply removes all models under the template from the table. That makes it highly useful against deathstars.

If you are playing according to the ITC FAQ then it can be LOS'd.

Spoiler:

For ITC format events, Damage from a Stomp attack that results in a 6 on the Stomp Table can be passed off of an affected model to a model not also under the stomp template with a successful “Look Out, Sir” roll, if the the target model can normally take a “Look Out, Sir” test.

Both very helpful pieces of information. Thanks!

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Guilliman is a "cheap" "Imperial Knight" since he is a LoW and can be placed in and Imperial army LoW slot. He can save you points for that Warhound.

SJ

Thats fething genius!!

What can take down a robot girlyman? another robot girlyman!!

'Bute is more important than food....


My current list looks like this: a 'Baronial court' consisting of a knight atrapos (435), a knight errant (370), a knight paladin (375), girlyman (350), 5 girl unit of sisters of silence preceptors in a DT rhino w.HK X2 (260) leaving me at 1790: but what to do with the spare points?

Dude, that is a sick paint job!

Thanks dude! 'twas done with brushes only...


I'm humming and Hahing over whether to use the oathsworn detachment (obsec for the late game objective rush) or the baronial court formation for the +1 to the ion sheild front facing.
The other conundrum is how to kit out the two sisters squads.

I've bought a 30k guilliman specially for the game.

The obj sec one will technically make Gulliman a Superheavy walker..

which is funny

have him walk across the board quicker and then beat down his MC clone

From the discussion about that on an earlier post, he'd have 0 hull points and die at the beginning of the game. Pretty silly.

Fluff player? You're an Apocalypse general! Thats an insane collection

GodDamUser wrote:The obj sec one will technically make Gulliman a Superheavy walker..

which is funny

have him walk across the board quicker and then beat down his MC clone

Ohmy, that is fething hilarious!....

Buzzdady wrote:From the discussion about that on an earlier post, he'd have 0 hull points and die at the beginning of the game. Pretty silly.

....awww, say it aint' so!
I tried to find the thread you mention, but my dakka-fu isn't as complete as i'd like. A little help please?

Stevefamine wrote:Fluff player? You're an Apocalypse general! Thats an insane collection

The knights are a bit of a compulsive-purchase thing - I'd already bought the warhound when the GW paladin came out looking so similar to the old knights and my wallet ran off, killed one of my relatives and inheritance money sorted the rest out.



(just kidding, i saved a lot of moneys and handed them over to FW with a litany of self-sacrifice playing on an audio loop)

 SirDonlad wrote:

Buzzdady wrote:From the discussion about that on an earlier post, he'd have 0 hull points and die at the beginning of the game. Pretty silly.

....awww, say it aint' so!
I tried to find the thread you mention, but my dakka-fu isn't as complete as i'd like. A little help please?

Yeah it was from a different thread..
Main thing is that he is a super heavy walker.. the big issue is what happens to his stat line.. as he isn't actually vehicle, so everything pretty much becomes RAI.. Is he a SHW that is really a GC, or does he have 0 HP and just dies... Does his armor let him come back, ect, ect...

 CrownAxe wrote:
Just take 5 knights.

Sorry, but no...

I see a Warhound Titan in the background.

The Warhound is *mandatory*. Fitted with dual S(D) twin turbolasers, the Warhound is clearly superior to the same points spent on Knights. Dropping 4x S(D) 5" Blasts every turn solves a *LOT* of problems on the tabletop before they ever get close.

After the Warhound, take cheap Knights to provide cover, and ensure that they have S(D) CCWs to prevent the opponent from swamping and locking the Warhound in HtH.

If there's a way to enhance the Invulnerable Saves, or get IWND, do that!

I noticed that you're running Baronial Court, but with so few models, maybe you should consider Household Detachment, which gives you ObSec?

Or how about Adamantine Lance, which makes your IKs into a rampaging wall of death? It's three Errants and Paladins only though. On the plus side, you free up points for Skitarii, which are a great complement with their Arc Rifle Vanguard, Dragoons, and Icarus Dunewalkers.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Just take 5 knights.

Sorry, but no...

I see a Warhound Titan in the background.

The Warhound is *mandatory*. Fitted with dual S(D) twin turbolasers, the Warhound is clearly superior to the same points spent on Knights. Dropping 4x S(D) 5" Blasts every turn solves a *LOT* of problems on the tabletop before they ever get close.

After the Warhound, take cheap Knights to provide cover, and ensure that they have S(D) CCWs to prevent the opponent from swamping and locking the Warhound in HtH.

If there's a way to enhance the Invulnerable Saves, or get IWND, do that!

There is no way for him to take a warhound titan with only Imperial Knights in a battle forged list

Why does the list need to be "battle-forged"?

He's playing against a WAAC player who told him what he wanted to play against.

I say OP doesn't need to be "battle forged" at all.

If you can acquire a Celestine for your army (and a single troops choice for any imperial army, to fill up an allied detachment,) and then take five knights, you can give all of those knights Relics - Including relics from the Cadia selection, giving such benefits as a 4++ on all facings of a Knight. (Including In Close Combat.)


Warhounds aren't actually very good, by the way. Sorry, but they aren't. They can get locked in combat, and then have no recourse to get out. You do get D weapons to hope for lucky shots with, but that's about the only good thing they offer - Point for point, they're just too vulnerable to being made entirely useless by a single assault unit. Your opponent is bringing cheese, so the odds of seeing a Skyhammer, or Soulswitch, or some other form of first-turn assault is very high.

If you can take a Warhound in a Space Marine army, then bring lots of body shields to surround him, he can buy Battle of Keylak as a legacy of glory to get Ignores Cover, and he's protected against first-turn assault. But in a pure Lord of War list? He won't stand a chance.

GodDamUser wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

Buzzdady wrote:From the discussion about that on an earlier post, he'd have 0 hull points and die at the beginning of the game. Pretty silly.

....awww, say it aint' so!
I tried to find the thread you mention, but my dakka-fu isn't as complete as i'd like. A little help please?

Yeah it was from a different thread..
Main thing is that he is a super heavy walker.. the big issue is what happens to his stat line.. as he isn't actually vehicle, so everything pretty much becomes RAI.. Is he a SHW that is really a GC, or does he have 0 HP and just dies... Does his armor let him come back, ect, ect...

I think i could hammer that out with him (i did buy models specially for it and he wants to beat the cheesiest forces - more glory that way i suppose?)

Suzuteo wrote:I noticed that you're running Baronial Court, but with so few models, maybe you should consider Household Detachment, which gives you ObSec?

Or how about Adamantine Lance, which makes your IKs into a rampaging wall of death? It's three Errants and Paladins only though. On the plus side, you free up points for Skitarii, which are a great complement with their Arc Rifle Vanguard, Dragoons, and Icarus Dunewalkers.

I have changed my opinion since that post to (as you suggest) a household detachment - it made sense to have scoring things just in case the mission favours his masses of biker-troops. I was told that he likes getting his stuff stuck in and rush for the objectives on the last 2 turns (i think his bikes get hit-and-run somehow).

JohnHwangDD wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Just take 5 knights.

Sorry, but no...

I see a Warhound Titan in the background.

The Warhound is *mandatory*. Fitted with dual S(D) twin turbolasers, the Warhound is clearly superior to the same points spent on Knights. Dropping 4x S(D) 5" Blasts every turn solves a *LOT* of problems on the tabletop before they ever get close.

After the Warhound, take cheap Knights to provide cover, and ensure that they have S(D) CCWs to prevent the opponent from swamping and locking the Warhound in HtH.

If there's a way to enhance the Invulnerable Saves, or get IWND, do that!

I was totally on board with the warhound with knights but i found out he likes drop melta and drop ironclad dred with seige drill and chainfist and has models to represent all of them at the same time.

Waaaghpower wrote:If you can acquire a Celestine for your army (and a single troops choice for any imperial army, to fill up an allied detachment,) and then take five knights, you can give all of those knights Relics - Including relics from the Cadia selection, giving such benefits as a 4++ on all facings of a Knight. (Including In Close Combat.)


Warhounds aren't actually very good, by the way. Sorry, but they aren't. They can get locked in combat, and then have no recourse to get out. You do get D weapons to hope for lucky shots with, but that's about the only good thing they offer - Point for point, they're just too vulnerable to being made entirely useless by a single assault unit. Your opponent is bringing cheese, so the odds of seeing a Skyhammer, or Soulswitch, or some other form of first-turn assault is very high.

If you can take a Warhound in a Space Marine army, then bring lots of body shields to surround him, he can buy Battle of Keylak as a legacy of glory to get Ignores Cover, and he's protected against first-turn assault. But in a pure Lord of War list? He won't stand a chance.

Sadly he chose the points limit. 1850 so the five-knight combo is out. careful planning by my opponent i think.


My list is exactly the same still, but now is a household detachment with guilliman in the LOW slot.

I'm thinking of lining the knights up in a line on my DZ - the errant and paladin with a sisters rhino following each of them shielding psychic nonsense and giving a coversave to the knight's rear from drop melta etc - i figure the guilliman can provide a rear coversave for the Atrapos while following it if he becomes a GC/SHW.

Any good?

Basically, he decided to have you show up to get beat for a couple hours?

feth that.

Tell him 2000 pts or no game.

You can find a better game than that, and "no game" counts.

Form Voltron, that should sort your opponent out. Lol

You can do 5 knights at 1850, you just have to take at least one knight gallant.

So i had the game...

...he had a different list than i expected and as was predicted by many here was tailored to bring down knights...




...And i held him to a draw!



Thanks everyone! i now have a 40k army again

 SirDonlad wrote:
So i had the game...

...he had a different list than i expected and as was predicted by many here was tailored to bring down knights...
...And i held him to a draw!
Thanks everyone! i now have a 40k army again

Very Nice

So give us all a break down

What list you take
What did he take

Wanting a break down of what happened