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Battle Rider/Brilliant Lances from GDW, though with the acceleration mechanic corrected to assume constant acceleration not instantaneous acceleration.

Oh and for Battle Rider the realisation that printing the stats on a bit of paper makes more sense than the back of the counter.

Once of the best scenario systems I've ever seen.


Would also like 'Harpoon' to come back

 master of ordinance wrote:
Sisters of Battle.

My Rogue Trader era Squats play the world's smallest violin for you. SOB models may be very dated but they've still gotten updated rules and have remained available with more love than other ranges that were completely dropped. If I want Squats or Zoats I need a time machine.

Did used to love the 1st edition Squat models, managed to pick up a range of them in a GW January sale (which dates that), all metal, had about four squads of foot troops, two of bikes and about six trikes to go with them.

Beautiful models, dropped by a company who ran out of ideas - personally in that case would have just folded them into the Imperial Guard as an alternative as a parking place.

B5 - A Call to Arms

Mongoose lost the rights to Babylon 5 and the miniatures are pretty much impossible to find. There were fleets for pretty much every race covered in the TV show, and the minis were great. Rules were good too!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
A second vote for AT-43. I have the 4 main factions, and the game plays great. I love the mechanic of a Universal Table of Resolution. And I don't care who hates me for it, but I love the rules for Confrontation: Age of Ragnorok. If it wouldn't have been for the earlier editions of Confrontation, I think lots more people would have a positive image of it, for the same reasons as AT-43. Same solid rules, with some improvements (though the command system of AT-43 was great but not a part of Confrontation.)

You will hear no hate from me on Confrontation, Love the game and have been adding to my already huge forces. Actually have a solid group of players here still giving it a go, 4 of us

I liked the rules for Confrontation: The Age of Rag'Narok (I take it you mean the unit-based game with the pre-painted plastic miniatures on round bases, as opposed to the one released previously which was an expansion to Confrontation and used the metal miniatures on square bases?). The main problem was the slow release schedule and poor availability of products - a lack of sufficient capital to expand properly, I think.

The starter set was also a problem; it worked well enough, but the combinations of units included meant that everyone hit on a 4+, wounded on a 4+. Unlike the AT-43 starter, there was no variation.

I've still got the bags of round bases I ordered to re-base my metal Confrontation models, and my collection is now a motley mix of square and round-based models.

Hybrid was also a good idea, crippled by a rulebook that was badly translated, and as far as I can tell, badly written and laied out in the original French.

JMMelo wrote:
B5 - A Call to Arms

Mongoose lost the rights to Babylon 5 and the miniatures are pretty much impossible to find. There were fleets for pretty much every race covered in the TV show, and the minis were great. Rules were good too!

They had the rights for the Star Fleet Battles models as well for a while, which were pulled for reasons unknown and now essentially hard to get here, a pity as I wanted some of them.

They did a nice WW2 navy game "Victory at Sea" which is worth a look in its 1st edition, which was more or less killed by a very long gestation of its 2nd edition and a terrible release rate for models..

GWAR was just the Shock Force rules, which have been revived as generic rules somewhere already.

Necromunda.

SW:A is great and all, but its not Necromunda. Its a Kill Team themed Necromunda-lite without the Hive Gang theme that gave Necromunda a lot of its appeal. And I say that as someone who never even played Necromunda, I just enjoyed reading White Dwarf battle reports back in the early 2000's.

Bringing back Hive Gangs as warbands PDFs for SW:A (or at least one Hive Gang warband PDF with special rules and variants for the different gangs) and a more in-depth campaign system akin to the old Necromunda campaigns would be a good ad hoc solution.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Necromunda.

SW:A is great and all, but its not Necromunda. Its a Kill Team themed Necromunda-lite without the Hive Gang theme that gave Necromunda a lot of its appeal. And I say that as someone who never even played Necromunda, I just enjoyed reading White Dwarf battle reports back in the early 2000's.

Bringing back Hive Gangs as warbands PDFs for SW:A (or at least one Hive Gang warband PDF with special rules and variants for the different gangs) and a more in-depth campaign system akin to the old Necromunda campaigns would be a good ad hoc solution.

Do what? Necro has one of the strongest player bases and creative impetus communities out there! That game builds fans for life.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Necromunda.

SW:A is great and all, but its not Necromunda. Its a Kill Team themed Necromunda-lite without the Hive Gang theme that gave Necromunda a lot of its appeal. And I say that as someone who never even played Necromunda, I just enjoyed reading White Dwarf battle reports back in the early 2000's.

Bringing back Hive Gangs as warbands PDFs for SW:A (or at least one Hive Gang warband PDF with special rules and variants for the different gangs) and a more in-depth campaign system akin to the old Necromunda campaigns would be a good ad hoc solution.

Do what? Necro has one of the strongest player bases and creative impetus communities out there! That game builds fans for life.

I know but it would be nice to have an official miniature line again.

I would like to see Warhammer Ancient Battles become more mainstream. 2nd ED D&D Battlesystem is quite nice and I still have my copy. Is anyone still playing Johnny Reb?

Robo Rally.

Nothing will ruin a friendship faster than Robo Rally (well, possibly Xanth, Family Business, Cosmic Encounter or Junta).

If I knew how much the original expansions would be selling for, I would have purchased every one I found and I could have retired by now. I know you can find the Hasbro/AH reprint cheap, but this game really needs expansion boards.

WoTC's Chainmail game; the one released with 3rd edition. Great looking minis (dual purpose if you played tabletop). Tight rules that gave a fun, not too long game. You could also easily add to the models playable once you figured out the way stats were translated from 3rd edition D&D.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Crimson Skies. It was an air combat game set in an alternate 1930's America which had split into smaller countries after the American Civil War. Lots of air pirates, goggles and scarves, and heroic pilots battling it out from floating zeppelin-based air fields. The game had a really wonderful setting with lots of gaming potential, but it came out in the last years of FASA's operations and didn't get "off the ground" so to speak.

I know the later Wizkids clicky-game gained some popularity, but I long for the older, FASA-era game that used metal models and hex maps. An updated version with plastic planes would be killer.

The metal minis can still be found at Iron Wind Metals, but the game has been dead for almost 2 decades except for some video game iterations that came out in the 2000's.

I still have a ton of Crimson Skies stuff. It's a great game.

 thekingofkings wrote:
Gotta upvote on the Vor, Urban War (Void 1.?) and honorable mention to Celtos.....But I want most of all for Confrontation to come back *(followed by a very close second by Chronopia) I too have MonPoc collecting dust. But for me the story behind both confrontation and Chronopia really did it. Chronopia had a great set of rules, a great setting, some pretty ok minis and some great fluff to go with the setting. IT hurts my soul to see a trashpile like aos alive and relatively well while Chronopia is dead.
Confrontation I love every aspect of, from Cadwallon to the video games!

I would hope that someone sporting a Repulsar Knight as an avatar would be supportive of Chronopia. I am just sad that Prince August dropped all its Chronopia stuff before I could finish my Blackbloods and I still feel like I did not get enough Stygian in the end.
If Chronopia got relaunched I would like it merged with Leviathan, combining the fluff, but using Chronopia rules. Leviathan has the second best Wargaming fluff I have read, the gaming rules are not so good.

Celtos is basically D10 Warhammer FB skirmish, which should have been an easy sell at the time. It is still up and running at Brigade models. I love many of the designs, but the executions are not quite as good as they should be.

The best fluff belongs to Clan War, the wargame rules for the Legend of the Five Rings setting, the game rules are a mess and now that Fantasy Flight have bought the IP I am less interested in a relaunch than previously.

So I would love to see Clan War return, but under AEG not FF.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Necromunda.

SW:A is great and all, but its not Necromunda. Its a Kill Team themed Necromunda-lite without the Hive Gang theme that gave Necromunda a lot of its appeal. And I say that as someone who never even played Necromunda, I just enjoyed reading White Dwarf battle reports back in the early 2000's.

Bringing back Hive Gangs as warbands PDFs for SW:A (or at least one Hive Gang warband PDF with special rules and variants for the different gangs) and a more in-depth campaign system akin to the old Necromunda campaigns would be a good ad hoc solution.

Do what? Necro has one of the strongest player bases and creative impetus communities out there! That game builds fans for life.

I know but it would be nice to have an official miniature line again.

Why? There's an infinite amount of choice and models out there. Get creative!

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Necromunda.

SW:A is great and all, but its not Necromunda. Its a Kill Team themed Necromunda-lite without the Hive Gang theme that gave Necromunda a lot of its appeal. And I say that as someone who never even played Necromunda, I just enjoyed reading White Dwarf battle reports back in the early 2000's.

Bringing back Hive Gangs as warbands PDFs for SW:A (or at least one Hive Gang warband PDF with special rules and variants for the different gangs) and a more in-depth campaign system akin to the old Necromunda campaigns would be a good ad hoc solution.

Do what? Necro has one of the strongest player bases and creative impetus communities out there! That game builds fans for life.

I know but it would be nice to have an official miniature line again.

Why? There's an infinite amount of choice and models out there. Get creative!

Playing Necromunda in the UK is basically an excuse to buy the whole Gang deal from Heresy Miniatures.

 Mattlov wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Crimson Skies. It was an air combat game set in an alternate 1930's America which had split into smaller countries after the American Civil War. Lots of air pirates, goggles and scarves, and heroic pilots battling it out from floating zeppelin-based air fields. The game had a really wonderful setting with lots of gaming potential, but it came out in the last years of FASA's operations and didn't get "off the ground" so to speak.

I know the later Wizkids clicky-game gained some popularity, but I long for the older, FASA-era game that used metal models and hex maps. An updated version with plastic planes would be killer.

The metal minis can still be found at Iron Wind Metals, but the game has been dead for almost 2 decades except for some video game iterations that came out in the 2000's.

I still have a ton of Crimson Skies stuff. It's a great game.

I play tested Crimson Skies - the 2003 one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Skies





Loved it - and enjoyed the flight cards and way it played

8th edition Warhammer Fantasy.

The game easily could have coexisted alongside AoS as one is a skirmish game (something done better by other game systems, among them LoTR, something GW already owns) and the other is a mass-combat blocks of units type of game, which is what I'm after.

9th screwed everything up by nerfing everything that was good and taking away the randomness and the fun/uniqueness of the individual armies in order to make the game "balanced". And good luck trying to talk to them about it on their forums, as you're immediately shouted down by all the nerd-raging fanboys of the system.

Kings of War I hear is good but around my area exactly 0 people play it so that's out.

 badguyshaveallthefun wrote:
8th edition Warhammer Fantasy.

The game easily could have coexisted alongside AoS as one is a skirmish game (something done better by other game systems, among them LoTR, something GW already owns) and the other is a mass-combat blocks of units type of game, which is what I'm after.

9th screwed everything up by nerfing everything that was good and taking away the randomness and the fun/uniqueness of the individual armies in order to make the game "balanced". And good luck trying to talk to them about it on their forums, as you're immediately shouted down by all the nerd-raging fanboys of the system.

Kings of War I hear is good but around my area exactly 0 people play it so that's out.

A common source of the hate for AoS, it is not a spiritual successor in any way to warhammer but an entirely different game (and IMO an incredibly terrible one, especially compared to its competition) but GW could not have competing interests like that sadly. Fixing warhammer would likely have made AoS unsustainable, once you get outside its "home turf" sites, it is almost universally reviled. I realize that game has its true fans, but I have seen no real improvement with the generals handbooks, the same core "4" pages of rules (which IMO are really not good at all) have not changed to fixed what is essentially a "mob of dice" game.

Sadly around my part AoS and WH40k/30k are the games to be playing. Anything else and you're doing it wrong.

Warmahordes does have a following here, it's about the size of our AoS following but the AoS guys are a lot more vocal about their events.

I WANT to like AoS I really do, but I just DON'T want a skirmish game. I want blocks of infantry. I LOVE the movement phase and being able to redirect/avoid charge LoS. AoS and 40k both neglect that very important aspect (to me) of tabletop gaming.

Fortunately there's a small group around here that still plays 8th (4 people that I know of) so I can still get a game in every couple of weeks.

WHFB, 8th had it's issues but could have been made great with a few changes. The idea in the end times books to have characters on mounts as one entity for instance was wonderful.

The biggest drawback of the game had for a long time been the cost, making units of 40 men when a box of ten was £25, and realising you needed half a dozen units like that for a good sized army was too much of a barrier for entry. Better value core unit boxes were needed.

I'll also give a shout out to the old B5 call to arms game. Only ever played 2 - 3 games of it but what a lovely model range. Probably helps that I loved the show.

 infinite_array wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Necromunda.

SW:A is great and all, but its not Necromunda. Its a Kill Team themed Necromunda-lite without the Hive Gang theme that gave Necromunda a lot of its appeal. And I say that as someone who never even played Necromunda, I just enjoyed reading White Dwarf battle reports back in the early 2000's.

Bringing back Hive Gangs as warbands PDFs for SW:A (or at least one Hive Gang warband PDF with special rules and variants for the different gangs) and a more in-depth campaign system akin to the old Necromunda campaigns would be a good ad hoc solution.

Do what? Necro has one of the strongest player bases and creative impetus communities out there! That game builds fans for life.

I know but it would be nice to have an official miniature line again.

Why? There's an infinite amount of choice and models out there. Get creative!

Playing Necromunda in the UK is basically an excuse to buy the whole Gang deal from Heresy Miniatures.

Spoiler:

Or, if you want Escher - the Raging Hero Jail Birds -


The Auld Grump - lords and ladies, I hate the Raging Heroes website....

Does any place States side sell Raging Heroes?

 StygianBeach wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
Gotta upvote on the Vor, Urban War (Void 1.?) and honorable mention to Celtos.....But I want most of all for Confrontation to come back *(followed by a very close second by Chronopia) I too have MonPoc collecting dust. But for me the story behind both confrontation and Chronopia really did it. Chronopia had a great set of rules, a great setting, some pretty ok minis and some great fluff to go with the setting. IT hurts my soul to see a trashpile like aos alive and relatively well while Chronopia is dead.
Confrontation I love every aspect of, from Cadwallon to the video games!

I would hope that someone sporting a Repulsar Knight as an avatar would be supportive of Chronopia. I am just sad that Prince August dropped all its Chronopia stuff before I could finish my Blackbloods and I still feel like I did not get enough Stygian in the end.
If Chronopia got relaunched I would like it merged with Leviathan, combining the fluff, but using Chronopia rules. Leviathan has the second best Wargaming fluff I have read, the gaming rules are not so good.

Celtos is basically D10 Warhammer FB skirmish, which should have been an easy sell at the time. It is still up and running at Brigade models. I love many of the designs, but the executions are not quite as good as they should be.

The best fluff belongs to Clan War, the wargame rules for the Legend of the Five Rings setting, the game rules are a mess and now that Fantasy Flight have bought the IP I am less interested in a relaunch than previously.

So I would love to see Clan War return, but under AEG not FF.

1) you can never have ENOUGH stygian
2) yeah I have leviathan too
3) I command the firstborn obviously

Silent Death. Decent fighter game that was easy to play, had simple enough damage rules that your could have respectably sized armies, and a very cool one roll to hit/damage mechanic that made for a interesting assortment of weapons.

I come back to Necromunda every time though hopefully soon it might no longer be OOP, It's a testament to the awesomeness of the game that a decade after it was abandoned by GW it has a dedicated fan base and even an excellent fan update of the rules that had real traction.

It feels like a game that is perfectly suited to the rules, it's got a great campaign system that is both flavorful and just random enough to be really fun. The setting is great and a good portion of the minis still hold up today.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does any place States side sell Raging Heroes?

My FLGS has some of the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy models for sale. I bought one to use as an Inquisitor for 40k.

 Nevelon wrote:
Silent Death. Decent fighter game that was easy to play, had simple enough damage rules that your could have respectably sized armies, and a very cool one roll to hit/damage mechanic that made for a interesting assortment of weapons.

I've got the official Star Wars conversion (published by Wizards of the Coast when they had the Star Wars game licence) on ODF somewhere. Never did get around to trying it out.

Those Roginshirroz Jailbirds are pretty nice minis, but Escher? Nah. The look's all wrong. They're pretty good Orlocks, from what I can figure out in that picture. To be Escher they need more animal print, leather, hairspray and general 80s glam hair metal.