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It will need a FAQ. RAW, you simply add 3 blue horrors to the model. There is no war gear listing.

I've stopped calculating the idea of it into lists, as I am also of the opinion it's just a silly thing they missed.

Kastiel wrote:
I am usualt a big fan of the fateweaver

But what do you find appealing to use him in this edition?

If you see his stats, he does not have the Ephemeral Form in his list. he seem's to be the only tzeentch model whitout it. Meaning he only get 5+ invul save for 60 more points that the lord of change.

drok55555 wrote:
<Tzeentch> Brigade detachment
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10 (6 troop, 120pts)
Karios (Hq1, 450pts)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
Magnus (Superh, 415) low det
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
FlamersX3
FlamersX3
FlamersX3. (Elites, 84)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 119)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Total 1987
9 command points, + d3 from karios

in this list btw Magnus have only himself as his own psy powers, no other eretic astartes there.i would change Kairos for LOC or Belakor or a chaos DP but again no viable targets for his spell beside Magnus


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 Cephalobeard wrote:
Hello! I present my first "WIP" 8th Edition army list.

3 CP Detachment:

HQ:

3 Heralds w/ Staff on Disc 312pts

Troops:

24 Brimstones (2x12) 48pts

30 Tzaangors 210

Fast Attack:

18 Screamers (9x2) 558pts

Heavy Support:\


3 Burning chariots w/ 3Blue/Brim 357


Lord of War Detachment

Magnus 415 pts


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Everything is decently fast; 16" On Magnus and the Screamers, 14" on the Chariot and 12" on the Heralds. Magnus can warp speed himself for 32", or the Tzaangors to give them 12+2d6 Movement w/ advancement turn one, really get into the thick of it."

Chariots deal tons of high STR Damage from 18", while also threatening a decent charge. With 3 blue horrors added to each chariot, you also gain an additional 6 ablative wounds by allowing them to split.

Tzaangors have 60 S4 (S5 When near a herald, S4 otherwise.) AP -1 D1 attacks on the charge, while Magnus can give them rerolls through his 3rd power.

Screamers will almost always be next to a herald, as well, and they have 9 S7 AP-3 2D, 18 S5 ap-0 1d attacks on the charge when within range of them.

The above two can also be buffed by Boon of Change to give them +1 STR, +1 or +1T to really drive things home. At T4, 7ppm with a 5++ Tzaangor are incredible.

Brimstones sit backfield and camp objectives, while filling up the troop tax for almost nothing.

why tzaangors get +1 str with heralds? they are not demons of tz

 blackmage wrote:


why tzaangors get +1 str with heralds? they are not demons of tz

That is very correct! I was mistaken, and read <Tzeentch> as the allying faction keyword, without realizing it requires both of them. Good catch.

Um.... are you sure that blues on chariots can split?

It looks to me like the blue horrors just unlock the irritating chant ability.
This doesn't feel right either, but splitting makes no sense.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
It will need a FAQ. RAW, you simply add 3 blue horrors to the model. There is no war gear listing.

I've stopped calculating the idea of it into lists, as I am also of the opinion it's just a silly thing they missed.

Operating that it is a poor wording choice of the model, and it has been removed from updated lists posted on this thread.

Here's my smite-spam list, as well.


Supreme Command: +1 CP


Herald on Disc, Staff (104)
Herald on Disc, Staff (104)
Be'Lakor (240)


Elite: Exalted Flamer (70)


Supreme Command: +1 CP


Herald on Disc, Staff (104)
Herald on Disc, Staff (104)
Herald on Disc, Staff (104)


Elite: Exalted Flamer (70)


Batallion: +3 CP


The Changeling (100)
Herald on Disc, Staff (104)


Troops:

1 Blue, 9 Brimstone (23)
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone (23)
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone (23)
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone (23)

Elite:

Exalted Flamer (70)
Exalted Flamer (70)

Fast Attack:

Screamers (3) 93
Screamers (3) 93
Screamers (3) 93
Screamers (3) 93
Screamers (3) 93

Heavy Support:

Burning Chariot (98)
Burning Chariot (98)

8 Smites a turn, 12 if Horrors are in range.

Be'Lakor, all Disc Heralds and the Exalted Flamers are all characters and can't be targeted until the screamers, etc, are no longer the closest models.


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And then, finally, a Brigade List.

Supreme Command: +1CP

Herald on Disc, Staff: 104
Herald on Disc, Staff: 104
Herald on Disc, Staff: 104

Elite: Exalted Flamer: 70

Supreme Command: +1CP

Herald on Disc, Staff: 104
Herald on Disc, Staff: 104
Herald on Disc, Staff: 104

Elite: Exalted Flamer: 70


Brigade: +6 CP

Herald on Disc, Staff: 104
Herald on Disc, Staff: 104
The Changeling: 100

Troops:

1 Blue, 9 Brimstone: 23
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone: 23
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone: 23
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone: 23
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone: 23
1 Blue, 9 Brimstone: 23

Fast Attack:

Screamers (3): 93
Screamers (3): 93
Screamers (3): 93

Elite:

Exalted Flamer: 70
Exalted Flamer: 70
Exalted Flamer: 70

Heavy Support:

Burning Chariot: 98
Burning Chariot: 98
Burning Chariot: 98

Hey guys,

First foray into 8th.

I don't yet have access to a book. BUT, the PP should work out similar/close as thats what I have access to at present.

My thoughts on a Tzeentch list are spamming Mortal Wounds.

Personally, I think Screamers were nerfed as they can only advance max 6" + 12" movement. Dealing a Mortal Wound on a 6. meaning you have a 50% chance of dealing 1 wound.

Current List - 100PP (rough 2000)
10 Command Points
3 Detachments

Battalion Detachment - 3CP

HQ -

Herald, Staff, Chariot - 7PP pts?
Herald, Staff, Chariot - 7PP

Troops -
3x Pinks (could save points with blues) 15PP

Spearhead Detachment - 1CP

HQ -

Herald, Staff, Chariot - 7PP

Heavy Support -

3x Burning Chariot - 15PP


Battalion Detachment - 3CP

HQ -

Herald, Staff, Chariot - 7PP

Herald, Staff, Chariot - 7PP

Troops -

3x Pinks (again, personal pref and depending on points)
15PP


This leaves 20 PP left. My thoughts are to include 6 units of Furies. Preferably MoN to ignore wounds.
These would be used as a fast moving screen so the heralds are untargetable while they fly around spamming Smite.
The army has LOTS of movement and enough scoring units. T5, 8W chariots that are not targetable until the Screamers/Furys are dead.


Just some food for thought.

As a point of reference, PP does not in any way translate well to points. Your list, in points, is closer to 1300 than 2000.

Also, yes, while screamers "Fly-By" attack was nerfed, their assault is much stronger by virtue of being able to use both their Lamprey Bite and 2 other attacks, instead of sacrificing all of their attacks for a single lamprey each.

@ cephalobeard.

Thank you.

Well thats good to know.


So, I can throw more chariots around and more screening units.

I overlooked that and didn't consider actually charging with them.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Heralds won't be able to get in range while on foot too often, and with less spells that actually do anything while they're in the back, I think discs and chariots are the way to go.

That being said, until Codexes around, CP isn't that great for an investment imo. Having that much is overkill to me.

I disagree. Those CP go quick. Especially if you're losing and need to strike next or pass a morale test.

mhalko1 wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Heralds won't be able to get in range while on foot too often, and with less spells that actually do anything while they're in the back, I think discs and chariots are the way to go.

That being said, until Codexes around, CP isn't that great for an investment imo. Having that much is overkill to me.

I disagree. Those CP go quick. Especially if you're losing and need to strike next or pass a morale test.

Certainly. The opinion could be wrong. The edition isn't even out yet. As posted above, I've also made an 11cp Brigade list I'm excited to try to test exactly that.