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Hello! I present my first "WIP" 8th Edition army list.

3 CP Detachment:

HQ:

3 Heralds w/ Staff on Disc 312pts

Troops:

24 Brimstones (2x12) 48pts

30 Tzaangors 210

Fast Attack:

18 Screamers (9x2) 558pts

Heavy Support:\


3 Burning chariots


Lord of War Detachment

Magnus 415 pts


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Everything is decently fast; 16" On Magnus and the Screamers, 14" on the Chariot and 12" on the Heralds. Magnus can warp speed himself for 32", or the Tzaangors to give them 12+2d6 Movement w/ advancement turn one, really get into the thick of it."

Chariots deal tons of high STR Damage from 18", while also threatening a decent charge.

Tzaangors have 60 S4 (S5 When near a herald, S4 otherwise.) AP -1 D1 attacks on the charge, while Magnus can give them rerolls through his 3rd power.

Screamers will almost always be next to a herald, as well, and they have 9 S7 AP-3 2D, 18 S5 ap-0 1d attacks on the charge when within range of them.

The above two can also be buffed by Boon of Change to give them +1 STR, +1 or +1T to really drive things home. At T4, 7ppm with a 5++ Tzaangor are incredible.

Brimstones sit backfield and camp objectives, while filling up the troop tax for almost nothing.

I did not think the STR bonus stacked with heralds.
"Add 1 to the STR characteristic of friendly XXX Daemon units within 6" of one or more models with this ability"

That gives a STR 7 lamprey bite, which is still decent. You can also use 'boon of change' on the squad once a turn to give them an extra attack, strength, or toughness.

If you want to buff them more, look at the synergy with the greater deamons and DPs.
A LoC gives your screamers a LD 10 for saves.
A DP gives your units the ability to reroll 1's to hit. This includes ranged attacks.
The Herald gives the LoC a STR of 7 and DP a STR of a 8.

Yeah, I wasn't meaning to imply the Heralds were stacking, so I hope it doesn't come off that way.

It came down essentially to either a LoC or Magnus, and I felt the buff for having Magnus and his Warp Speed was in the end more useful than a LD buff (At least for now, because with 6 CP I can simply use the auto-pass morale stratagem once a turn for 2-3 turns.).

A DP could have been good, but I wanted to stay within the <Tzeentch> theme, but after some testing I may swap out Magnus or some other models and go <Daemon> while Adding Be'Lakor in.

how are you bringing tzaangors? They are not troops for daemons. Can you show me your math on the burning chariots?

It isn't a Daemon list. It's a <Tzeentch> list. Every model in the army has a <Tzeentch> Keyword.

Also, Sure. Each burning chariot is 98 Points, then I'm paying for 3 Blue (15) Horrors and 3 Brimstones (6) Each, to a total of 119 Each.

The Brimstones are paid for using reverve points for split.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
A DP could have been good, but I wanted to stay within the <Tzeentch> theme, but after some testing I may swap out Magnus or some other models and go <Daemon> while Adding Be'Lakor in.

Don't take a CSM DP. Take a daemon one. They are a daemon of Tzeenctch.

 labmouse42 wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
A DP could have been good, but I wanted to stay within the <Tzeentch> theme, but after some testing I may swap out Magnus or some other models and go <Daemon> while Adding Be'Lakor in.

Don't take a CSM DP. Take a daemon one. They are a daemon of Tzeenctch.

Fair enough. For now the faction keywords are somewhat pointless anyway, until Codexes come out. I'd still likely want to use Be'Lakor.

so, what bonus do you get for being a tzeentch army?

Well, I can take Tzaangors as troops.

Beyond that, like everyone else, there is no benefit to anything really. Codexes will add those in the coming weeks/months.

drok55555 wrote:
so, what bonus do you get for being a tzeentch army?

You get synergy. Your greater daemons buff your daemons of the same god.. Heralds do the same. DPs do the same.

<Tzeentch> Brigade detachment
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10 (6 troop, 120pts)
Karios (Hq1, 450pts)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
Magnus (Superh, 415) low det
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
FlamersX3
FlamersX3
FlamersX3. (Elites, 84)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 119)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Total 1987
9 command points, + d3 from karios

Heralds won't be able to get in range while on foot too often, and with less spells that actually do anything while they're in the back, I think discs and chariots are the way to go.

That being said, until Codexes around, CP isn't that great for an investment imo. Having that much is overkill to me.

I think you might be right!

Can't comment but I love your title. I think <KEYWORD> should be the norm for posting here from now on.

I am usualt a big fan of the fateweaver

But what do you find appealing to use him in this edition?

If you see his stats, he does not have the Ephemeral Form in his list. he seem's to be the only tzeentch model whitout it. Meaning he only get 5+ invul save for 60 more points that the lord of change.

drok55555 wrote:
<Tzeentch> Brigade detachment
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10 (6 troop, 120pts)
Karios (Hq1, 450pts)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
Magnus (Superh, 415) low det
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
FlamersX3
FlamersX3
FlamersX3. (Elites, 84)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 119)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Total 1987
9 command points, + d3 from karios

Kastiel wrote:
I am usualt a big fan of the fateweaver

But what do you find appealing to use him in this edition?

If you see his stats, he does not have the Ephemeral Form in his list. he seem's to be the only tzeentch model whitout it. Meaning he only get 5+ invul save for 60 more points that the lord of change.

I just want to throw this out there. Flamers of Tzeentch are bonkers.
Have you taken a close look at what they can do?
I'm glad I have 27 of those suckers....

 labmouse42 wrote:
I just want to throw this out there. Flamers of Tzeentch are bonkers.
Have you taken a close look at what they can do?
I'm glad I have 27 of those suckers....

They're not bad. I'm a huge fan of burning chariots.

 labmouse42 wrote:
I just want to throw this out there. Flamers of Tzeentch are bonkers.
Have you taken a close look at what they can do?
I'm glad I have 27 of those suckers....

I don't see the love for flamers... D6 str 4, -1 ap hits at 8`` range, for 28pts seems expensive to me.

In my opinion, best units seem's to be burning chariot, screamer, belakor and brimstone horrors.

Since belakor has less that 10 wound it realy make him a great character to hide near cheap brimstone horror's meatshields.

I agree with Kastiel. Those are, certainly, the stronger of the units.

I'm just more partial to Magnus than Be'Lakor.

Kastiel wrote:
[I don't see the love for flamers... D6 str 4, -1 ap hits at 8`` range, for 28pts seems expensive to me.

In my opinion, best units seem's to be burning chariot, screamer, belakor and brimstone horrors.

Since belakor has less that 10 wound it realy make him a great character to hide near cheap brimstone horror's meatshields.

That's 9d6 hits on a unit. That's 31.5 hits on average per turn, killing 15 orks or 7.9 MEQ!
They get all those same hits on overwatch too.
They are fly units, so can leave combat if they are charged by something they don't want to be fighting with.
Their flamers are pistols, so they can fly up, flame something, assault, then punch them. On the next turn if they want to stay stuck in they can flame again then punch.
They have 2 wounds and a 4++.
They move 12"

In the last edition I ran a warpflame host with 27 flamers. Their damage output was staggering. The biggest weakeness was getting assaulted by mediocre to excellent assault units. Now that they can use their flames in assault and fly away they are much better.

help me guy!! I have a beautifully painted magnus model, 2 start collecting daemons of tzeentch box set, 5 boxes of blues and brims and 3 daemons princes. what should i do?


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oh and a un built lord of change.

Kastiel wrote:
I am usualt a big fan of the fateweaver

But what do you find appealing to use him in this edition?

If you see his stats, he does not have the Ephemeral Form in his list. he seem's to be the only tzeentch model whitout it. Meaning he only get 5+ invul save for 60 more points that the lord of change.



So disappointed with Fateweaver at this juncture. It seems absurd to take him now while Magnus is better in every conceivable way. For 15 pts more.

drok55555 wrote:
<Tzeentch> Brigade detachment
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10 (6 troop, 120pts)
Karios (Hq1, 450pts)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
Magnus (Superh, 415) low det
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
FlamersX3
FlamersX3
FlamersX3. (Elites, 84)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 119)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Total 1987
9 command points, + d3 from karios

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Kastiel wrote:
I am usualt a big fan of the fateweaver

But what do you find appealing to use him in this edition?

If you see his stats, he does not have the Ephemeral Form in his list. he seem's to be the only tzeentch model whitout it. Meaning he only get 5+ invul save for 60 more points that the lord of change.

drok55555 wrote:
<Tzeentch> Brigade detachment
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10
BrimsX10 (6 troop, 120pts)
Karios (Hq1, 450pts)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
HeraldX01 (Hq2, 78)
Magnus (Superh, 415) low det
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
ScreamerX3 (Fast, 93)
FlamersX3
FlamersX3
FlamersX3. (Elites, 84)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 119)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Burning chariot. (Heavy, 98)
Total 1987
9 command points, + d3 from karios

So disappointed with Fateweaver at this juncture. It seems absurd to take him now while Magnus is better in every conceivable way. For 15 pts more.

Agreed. As he stands he is not worth fielding, at all.

D3 command points and long range smite.. maybe there is some usage.. doesn't jump out as useful. Time will tell.

Placed the models on the table. Feels like even more bodies than I thought.

Fateweaver is just a placeholder model until I finish Magnus.

Feeling good about the speed in which the list moves.

Looking good

Just realized I got some points wrong and was missing taking some options.

The correct, updated list options are as follows:

18 Screamers (9x2) 558pts
Magnus 415 pts
3 Heralds w/ Staff on Disc 312pts
3 Burning chariots w/ 3Blue/Brim (98 Each, 294)
30 Tzaangors (+10 Instrument) 220

This brings us to 1800, where I have the following decisions to make:

Either we bring -- 1 Pink Horror, 9 Blue Horrors (Reserve points 1 Blue, 10 Brimstone) x2
20x Brimstone Horrors

and we then hold objectives backfield, OR

We use

2x Exalted Flamer
1 Pink, 9 Brimstone
1 Pink, 9 Brimstone

This allows the Exalted Flamers to follow up squads and provide more shooting support, and hide as characters.

What do you think, folks?

So wait a minute... Is the consensus that the blues that we add on to the burning chariot are additional wounds on the chariot itself? I honestly interpreted it like the previous rule, where you just added the blue horrors as an upgrade for leadership shenanigans... If the blue horrors can have wounds allocated to them then this is our best unit by far and I've been an idiot...

I have exactly the same concerns as you have. I'v seen a few people saying that we can use the blue horros and split brimstone as extra wound for the chariot.

It make no sense tto me. If it was the case, then the blue horror's would be in the same unit as the chariot? All unit in 8th (I think ) now have the same toughness value for models in it. I do not think there is rules anymore for multiple toughness in the same squad. That mean's that 3 model at 3 toughness + chariot at 5 toughness cannot be in the same unit.

I also think FAQ will confirm that this is a wargear with a cost they forgot to add in the book and they are not actualy in-game models.

RubenDF wrote:
So wait a minute... Is the consensus that the blues that we add on to the burning chariot are additional wounds on the chariot itself? I honestly interpreted it like the previous rule, where you just added the blue horrors as an upgrade for leadership shenanigans... If the blue horrors can have wounds allocated to them then this is our best unit by far and I've been an idiot...