Why do AM Veteran Squads get Autoguns as an option?

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**the_scotsman**

Infantryman wrote:
Makes me wonder why we can't take a squad Heavy Stubber, perhaps as a "Special Weapon" slot item, if not a heavy one.

M.

If you're talking the GSC bit, probably because that part is only for the mutated-looking 3rd gen body (it has Genestealer Chitin arms, and a backpack made to only fit the 3rd gen hybrid torso)

Why we don't get web weapons, power picks, or power mauls....eh, you got me.

**master of ordinance**

+1 for the Heavy Stubber, there is a lot of fluff about IG regiments using them as the standard squad issue automatic weapon.

As for the Autogun, I have no idea why it is included as it is essentially a downgrade. If it is not a typo (or a copy/paste mistake from the GSC list, though why I do not know) then I cannot fathom a reason for it being there. If it where to allow you to use the GSC bits then why dont we get the demolition charge back as well? Or Bolters, Hellguns, etc? If it is for allowing Necromunda gangs to be used then why cant we get other gang weapons too?

**Esmer**

Infantryman wrote:
Raichase wrote:
ThePorcupine wrote:
Now maybe if autoguns had like... 20" range and -1ap giving up some range and FRFSRF might be worth it.

If an Autogun had -1 AP and a Bolter didn't, I'd be seriously questioning the forge world supplying my Chaos Space Marines and Cultists...

I think the main issue is the distinction between the Autogun and the Lasgun - they're basically the same weapon, just without access to FRFSRF. I modelled a lot of my Cultists with Lasguns because they're traitor guardsmen. I don't know why they're not just treated as the same weapon, in this new era of streamlining. Heck, if you're concerned about making older models obsolete (something that doesn't seem to be a problem everywhere else you look), just add a note to the bottom of the entry that any models armed with autoguns should be treated as lasguns for gaming purposes? People should be able to model up low-tech PDF forces with all autoguns and still get the benefits of FRFSRF because... rule of cool. Rule of cool is where it's at.

Yeah, more support for primitive worlds would be cool. Tau have (Had?) Kroot, why can't we :p

Also, there's nothing inherent to the technologies of a lasgun that make ranked fire possible so it just makes sense.

Esmer wrote:I think treating autoguns as lasguns, FRSRF included, should be perfectly acceptable.

My Valhallan Recruits use Soviet Mosin-Nagant rifles as Lasguns and I haven't heard any complaints about that so far.

Got some pics? I'm sort of modeling my guys off of a mix of Imperial and Soviet Russia (mostly Soviet) and might gain some inspiration.

M.

Mine aren't finished yet, but I can show you which models I use:

Spoiler:

The regular soldiers wear longcoats, the conscripts have only their summer uniforms and incoming enemy fire to keep themselves warm, such is life in Valhalla

Both variants but especially the ones from Plastic Soldier Company are dirt cheap and therefore perfectly suited for massive infantry hordes.
The models from Warlord Games are also multi-part and can be easily equipped with Meltaguns, Plasmaguns, flamers and the like. The ones from Plastic Soldier Company aren't, that's why I only use those that come with Mosin-Nagants as Conscripts.

**Infantryman**

Huh, non GW models. I've never had luck with that in the past.

Mine are modified Cadians - Pig Iron Kolony Militia heads, and I've shaved down the pectorals and rear...knob thingy on the torso. I've just finished all the legs and torsos, moving on to the pouches and whatnot. Heads are in the mail, probably 2 weeks from now they'll be in and I can start putting them together (not done any of the arms yet - which reminds me I need to hunt up more lasguns without bayonets on them).

Here's your related but out of context quote: "I've cut the tits off enough Guardsmen today!"

M.

**MrMoustaffa**

Infantryman wrote:
Huh, non GW models. I've never had luck with that in the past.

Mine are modified Cadians - Pig Iron Kolony Militia heads, and I've shaved down the pectorals and rear...knob thingy on the torso. I've just finished all the legs and torsos, moving on to the pouches and whatnot. Heads are in the mail, probably 2 weeks from now they'll be in and I can start putting them together (not done any of the arms yet - which reminds me I need to hunt up more lasguns without bayonets on them).

Here's your related but out of context quote: "I've cut the tits off enough Guardsmen today!"

M.

The warlord guys make really good Valhallans as long as you're clever with your converting and don't just use straight GW weapons.

3rd party stuff is definitely the way to go if you want the best looking guardsmen on the table, although I always have a soft spot in my heart for my old metal Cadians and all the other classic metal IG lines.

Spoiler:

**Infantryman**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Infantryman wrote:
Huh, non GW models. I've never had luck with that in the past.

Mine are modified Cadians - Pig Iron Kolony Militia heads, and I've shaved down the pectorals and rear...knob thingy on the torso. I've just finished all the legs and torsos, moving on to the pouches and whatnot. Heads are in the mail, probably 2 weeks from now they'll be in and I can start putting them together (not done any of the arms yet - which reminds me I need to hunt up more lasguns without bayonets on them).

Here's your related but out of context quote: "I've cut the tits off enough Guardsmen today!"

M.

The warlord guys make really good Valhallans as long as you're clever with your converting and don't just use straight GW weapons.

3rd party stuff is definitely the way to go if you want the best looking guardsmen on the table, although I always have a soft spot in my heart for my old metal Cadians and all the other classic metal IG lines.

Spoiler:

Yeah, I'd originally considered using Steel Legion, but ended up with some plastic Cadians and decided to roll with it. Other than the heads, it's all GW kit. Need a bunch of SM and IG bitz though!

M.