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My outpost set does mostly fit in the box. The problem lies in the geo dome shelter and the watch tower that come in the set. Those won't fit, but the rest is fine.

I actually just finished unpunching my urban apocalypse set last night. No way will that fit back in, but I could probably get most of it back in. Instead, I have it stored on a tiered containers that fits just about everything except the floor tiles.

Mats... what material?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mats... what material?

It's that rubber-backed mousepad material.

There's been a couple of new additions to this game.

The game is now tantalisingly close to funding, and they have lots more to come.

New additions are :-

Firstly a mission pack - it contains a plasma reactor and auto-doc, 2 cell walls, and some infestation (all available in their previous sci-fi 2 kickstarter, but the reactor and cell walls are a re-skin) plus a mission log to add to the game.



and then they've chucked 4 Purge into the free KS Bonus pot.

The new reskinned cell wall matches the base Games terrain set nicely where as the old one had a different style and colour of wall so would have stood out.

Hilarious. I had asked them if the infestation stuff would be available via the KS and they said "no, get it on the web store".

Things change when you still haven't funded a week later I guess...

The number of infestation parts in this pack even smaller than even the smallest dedicated infestation pack I think so if you want an infested table you are better off getting one of those other packs anyways.

Aeneades wrote:
The number of infestation parts in this pack even smaller than even the smallest dedicated infestation pack I think so if you want an infested table you are better off getting one of those other packs anyways.

Correct. The mission pack contains something like a third of the smallest infestation pack. It's enough to do a room (and self evidently to populate the mission itself) but it's not the best way to buy that product if you wanted to cover larger areas of the board.



Battle Systems have previewed some upcoming characters as well.

Are any of those homages besides Big Hero 6?

And we're funded!

Director Zool has been unlocked as well.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Are any of those homages besides Big Hero 6?

None of them are intentional homages (so far at least), though some, perhaps most are heavily influenced by the creator's lifelong love of sci-fi. Apparently he designed MAC (or not-Baymax as you might call him - I'm seeing hints of K-2SO as well) years (decades) ago while still at school.

I wish I could get excited by this since I've loved their terrain, but I find almost all the hero sculpts aside from that three-armed alien guy completely underwhelming. And the robots are equally uninspired. This whole things just feels overwhelmingly generic, even for what is supposed to be a generic setting, lol. The posing on the figures is very unnatural. I mean, what is Roykirk doing? Or Renton?

And why are the Galactic Guards armed with super soakers?

I'm more worried by the quality of the writing, so many typos / misspelled words and well, it doesn't read all that well.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm more worried by the quality of the writing, so many typos / misspelled words and well, it doesn't read all that well.

What you've seen so far is very much early draft. It will be extensively edited and proofread before final publication.

Well... this is super tempting to me. I’ve seen their previous Kickstarters and have always thought “no! I’ll assemble and paint my own terrain!”... so, yeah.. that never happened...

Everything about is apealing To me now, we’ll, other ham a couple wonky poses of the some of the figures. He terrain is what is calling to me. Lightweight, looks pretty good actually and, even if it does take a a day or two to put together it’s WAAAAY quicker than what I’ve been doing (3 months and I have assembled and primed about 4 pieces of terrain). This might go up on a Christmas list

We'll that's another stretch goal hit. Zed is now unlocked as well as Director Zool.

Next up will be Captain Weaver, then Marlowe and Faye.

The terrain looks very nice, very useable for customizing Space Hulk or DW: Overkill (and Necromunda obviously), and I get from this topic that the quality is pretty good.

However, the value of the whole campaign is pretty low right now, and the add-ons are pretty expensive: no discount at all for a second set or the terrain sets they already sell through their website, and as mentioned earlier the Infestation mission pack for 8GBP has a third of the contents of the infestation pack from the website, which is 12GBP. And 4 man-sized figs for 16GBP would be considered unreasonably high even if GW was selling it .

It is also unclear whether any extra figures come with their required cards, counters, dashboards and any of that stuff that you need to actually use them.

I will keep an eye on it to see whether the stretch goals make it anymore interesting, but if not it's probably cheaper to get this from retail later.

The infestation pack had a third of the infection terrain compared to the infestation pack but does have over items such as the plasma reactor, cell wall and autodoc so pretty comparable.

ZeusEQ wrote:
...and as mentioned earlier the Infestation mission pack for 8GBP has a third of the contents of the infestation pack from the website, which is 12GBP.

you're not comparing like for like though. that £12 infestation pack on their website does indeed contain 3 times as much infestation, but the add-on for Core Space also comes with cell walls, a plasma reactor and an auto-doc (along with an add-on exclusive mission for the game which specifically utilises those parts. Knowing a little of how their pricing model works (effectively you're paying for sheets of A4 card that have been printed and die cut), I'd say it's pretty even.

I'm not sure you're being fair on mini pricing either. Take a look at Hasslefree, Crooked Dice or Studio Miniatures for example - most of their figures are £3-£4 each plus VAT, and a box of 5 NPC characters in CMoN's recent Black Plague set you back $22 (£16.50). Sure they're not cheap minis, but the prices are in keeping with other products.

And it most definitely won't be cheaper at retail, not when you factor in the stretch goals you'll be getting with the kickstarter.

On the terrain front, how does it compare to Malifaux Terraclips? I loved the Terraclips from posts online, but in person, I thought it looked cheap and tacky.

Semi-related, does anyone have pictures of it in use outside of the studio photos? What a regular joe-scho can do with it?

I've never used Terraclips so can't compare, but I've never had any problems with BS nd personally I think their terrain looks great. It really helps with immersion into the game.

a good place to look for photos would be the Battle Systems Terrain Fan Group on Facebook. You'll find hundreds of photos covering most of the BS range there.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/331752923831018/photos/

BS makes for more interesting and useful geometry (Terraclips tended to make big, empty, square or rectangular rooms) but Terraclips was sturdier. Both offerings look great from 3 feet away but tend to look shonky up close (Terraclips because the clips were quite obvious, BS because of the way layers sit on top of each other). However, BS sets always have a ton of extra scatter terrain on the sheets so represent good value for money in my opinion. The biggest problem that both sets face is the long setup time. Not an issue for small, exterior buildings which can be stored in one piece like their outpost sets but more of a problem with interior rooms and corridors.

I've never really had much of an issue with the length of time needed to setup. It does of course depend greatly on what you're setting up. A 6' x 4' layout built to 2 or 3 levels high across most of it might take an hour or so, particularly if you haven't pre-built parts of the structure, but a more commonly used 2' x 2' skirmish board can be thrown up in 5-10 minutes tops, and certainly with the later sets - Urban Apocalypse / City / Shanty, and the new Sci-fi II, it can be very quick indeed. The earlier two sets - sci-fi 1 and fantasy had a "ramp" system which looks great but complicates setup quite a bit.

The nice thing is though, that even with the changes in design over time, there's still a level of compatibility across the sets, so it doesn;t take a great deal of work to lay out a big table with sectors of different terrain - combining sci-fi 2 and shanty for example, or even sci-fi 1 and fantasy to give the impression of a futuristic building having been constructed on top of some ancient (and no doubt alien infested) ruin.

As for looking "shonky" close up, we'd have to agree to disagree on that one. Sure they aren't fully 3D, it's all done with graphics, but personally I find the quality of those graphics to be fantastic - far greater than I could paint, that's for sure. I agree there are more realistic looking options out there, in resin or perhaps in mdf with lots of bits to glue on, but those are very very expensive to cover similar areas, require a huge investment in time and money to paint, and then take up enormous amounts of storage space. It's horses for courses. If you have the time, skills, money, and space, then go for those options. If not, then I heartily recommend taking a look at the offerings from Battle Systems.

The guys behind Battle system who are making this game are brill. They are always upfront and are open for suggestions. They are great for quick responses for answering questions either messaged to them or on the KS.

This game is looking great even with just looking through the beta rules.I'm sure it's going to be a hit for years to come, with allsorts of surprises with new terrain and character options coming out now and in the future.

biggusdoggus wrote:
I've never really had much of an issue with the length of time needed to setup. It does of course depend greatly on what you're setting up. A 6' x 4' layout built to 2 or 3 levels high across most of it might take an hour or so, particularly if you haven't pre-built parts of the structure, but a more commonly used 2' x 2' skirmish board can be thrown up in 5-10 minutes tops, and certainly with the later sets - Urban Apocalypse / City / Shanty, and the new Sci-fi II, it can be very quick indeed. The earlier two sets - sci-fi 1 and fantasy had a "ramp" system which looks great but complicates setup quite a bit.

The nice thing is though, that even with the changes in design over time, there's still a level of compatibility across the sets, so it doesn;t take a great deal of work to lay out a big table with sectors of different terrain - combining sci-fi 2 and shanty for example, or even sci-fi 1 and fantasy to give the impression of a futuristic building having been constructed on top of some ancient (and no doubt alien infested) ruin.

As for looking "shonky" close up, we'd have to agree to disagree on that one. Sure they aren't fully 3D, it's all done with graphics, but personally I find the quality of those graphics to be fantastic - far greater than I could paint, that's for sure. I agree there are more realistic looking options out there, in resin or perhaps in mdf with lots of bits to glue on, but those are very very expensive to cover similar areas, require a huge investment in time and money to paint, and then take up enormous amounts of storage space. It's horses for courses. If you have the time, skills, money, and space, then go for those options. If not, then I heartily recommend taking a look at the offerings from Battle Systems.

Yeah you are spot on with the ramps contributing significantly
to build conplexity and time so I am glad they aren't present in this KS (I'm starting to think dropping them was a conscious choice). As for the layers, I didn't mean in a Photoshop sense but in a build sense. Once you start adding levels, especially with balconies, you notice that nothing sits flat on the layer below and because of the clips, each piece is at an angle of + / - 5 degrees from the next.

It's nothing gamebreaking but when comparing with terraclips it is a difference to note.

We played the Walking Dead on Thanksgiving using Barzam's urban terrain, and I have to say i was SERIOUSLY impressed.

With just his basic pledge we were able to fill two mats up with a nice amount of single story terrain and didn't even come close to using all of it.



The variety of bits and pieces made the game play significantly better, to the degree that it got me off my duff to start building up my own pledge from the last campaign.

While Necromunda is certainly on my mind right now as well, having played with this stuff firsthand has got me a lot more excited about this game now.

Can we pledge $1 and upgrade during the pledge manager? It's just a bad time for me to pledge on a KS...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can we pledge $1 and upgrade during the pledge manager? It's just a bad time for me to pledge on a KS...

Just had it confirmed.

You can go in at £1 minimum to access the pledge manager but you will need to buy one of the pledges on offer to be able to buy any of the add-ons during the pledge manager.

Drewtavian wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can we pledge $1 and upgrade during the pledge manager? It's just a bad time for me to pledge on a KS...

Just had it confirmed.

You can go in at £1 minimum to access the pledge manager but you will need to buy one of the core pledges to be able to buy any of the add-ons.

Hmmmm. Need to think about that. I've always been a fickle add ons only kind of guy.