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There have always been just as bad WAAC models in the primary catalog of GW stuff and usually much more.

So banning FW under the guise of "because FW is broken" is a false reason.

And I'd never participate in any event that banned FW models but openly encouraged abuse of the GW waac elements.
   
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 Scott-S6 wrote:
Azuza001 wrote:
My local does the same thing, no fw. I think it's a mixture of multiple things, people not actually owning the rules and using custom models / people not being familiar with the rules so not knowing what to expect and then maybe getting cheated because the fw user may have misinterpreted the rules / hold over from earlier fw issues / fw not getting play tested enough to be considered as balanced as normal gw stuff.

An example, a few months ago I watched 2 people playing their lists and getting ready for a local tourney at a different store, one that allowed fw. The player with his custom fw model (some dreadnought) used an attack that did a ton of moral wounds to the other players side, wiping out a bunch of horrors / rubrics / changeling, and put wounds on magnus. The tzeench player was like "good lord, that's a crazy attack, wow is that op" .

Another player overheard and came over (guy is a normal judge at the stores tourneys) and interjected, asking to see the rules because that didn't sound right. Fw player handed over a piece of paper from the net where he got the rules, and that's what they said. Judge player then went to his bag and pulled out the actual fw imperial armor book and looked it up. The units weapons didn't match, whereever the fw player got them from had modified the weapon on the paper to make it better than it should be.

Point being giving the fw player the benefit of doubt that he honestly thought those where the rules you never know when it comes to fw and it's simply safer to say no unless you have the actual stuff. And even then, the player who was getting screwed was going to allow it because they didn't know better and the fw player is known to be a stand up guy, not a wacc or jerk or anything. If the tournament organization doesn't know fw well it may simply be easier to say no fw for them.


You realise that there was an 'improved' eldar codex floating around online during 5th?

And who hasn't had someone tell them a super awesome rule that turned out to be much less impressive when verified?

Everyone should have the actual rules for their units. Most tournaments insist on this (and all of them should)

There used to be a big problem with not knowing which version of FW rules were current but that isn't a problem a the moment.


No, I never saw the 5th edition "improved" codex, didn't even know that was a thing.

I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt, he is a stand up guy who is not known for cheating. He showed us where he got the rules from, it was from some random website with posted "rules for fw" as images.

Any how all I am saying is most players don't know forgeworld because of what Jidmah said, people don't normally actually buy forgeworld models they custom make them and download the codex / index from the net. Either way I get it. But I stand by the thought process is simply a case of not knowing their options better and maybe not wanting to deal with it when setting up a tournament. Maybe the OP should ask their tournament organizer why no Forgeworld and just find out if it's lack of understanding of the units or because they feel they are unbalanced or what.

I also find it ammusing the idea of customizing units and the amount of modding some people will do to their own gw units to make it what they want but if you do it to make the unit a fw unit they suddenly get upset.
   
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It's interesting, to me, that people say "we should ban it because we don't know the rules."

If you ban it, how do you learn the rules? Or is that just a way/excuse of banning it permanently?

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Its a way of making sure no one has to buy the expensive books to know the rules. People get annoyed that they have to "buy all the books" and having to "buy all the fw books too" makes them very cranky.
   
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Could always just ask people nicely if you can see their books. Show people that you'll treat their stuff with respect and they will probably say yes
   
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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Could always just ask people nicely if you can see their books. Show people that you'll treat their stuff with respect and they will probably say yes

Since when has showing people your rules been optional? I don't know how some of you are playing but for me people need to have their books and they need to be able to show you the rules/datasheets/etc if you want to see them.
   
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Most people with a FW model will tell you the rules when they use them, and not a second earlier.

After all, springing unexpected rules on unsuspecting opponents is part of the power of FW models.

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1000pts and Not FW? WOW those TO's are extremely Bias agaisnt FW.

They must have been beaten by a FW unit and couldnt understand that for every 50 FW units yeah there will be a good one that someone will spam... How is that different than GW? Were Riptides not spammed in 7th? Are Dark Reapers not spam in 8th?

At 1000pts thats a pointless rule.

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It's this thread again! This topic must come up once a week right?



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 Jidmah wrote:
Most people with a FW model will tell you the rules when they use them, and not a second earlier.

After all, springing unexpected rules on unsuspecting opponents is part of the power of FW models.


And same goes for GW codexes that are too expensive for most people to own them all. Hell GW has MORE codexes to buy than FW so you are more likely to have access to all FW rules than GW rules.

Again every arqument used applies to GW codexes or even more so.

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 AaronWilson wrote:
It's this thread again! This topic must come up once a week right?


OP here.

I just got back into the game and on this forum a short while ago - that's why i asked, and it don't see anything in the first few pages of this forum on the topic, nor have I seen it since I've come here. I searched the forum to see if I'm being a eejit by reposting a topic that's already beaten to death, and I don't see it anywhere - but the search function seems crappy so I may have missed it. So, no it hasn't been posted already this week, or in a month from what I see.

The thread has stayed up for a while since people keep adding to it though.
   
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I'd be okay with banning Forgeworld units so long as they also banned Guilliman, Mortarion, Magnus, Celestine, Primaris Psykers, Imperial Guard Infantry Squads, Mortar Squads, Baneblades, Banehammers, Baneswords, Doomhammers, Hellhammers, Shadowswords, Stormlords, Stormswords, Manticores, Tempestus Scions, Tempestus Command Squads, Taurox Primes, Ogryn Bodyguards, Bullgryn, Eversor Assassins, Dark Reapers, Shining Spears, Spiritseers, Hive Tyrants, Genestealers, Tau Command Suits, and Ork Boyz.

Because if you're going to go and make arbitrary bans, you might as well take some of the actually degenerate gak out with it.

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ITT: Baneblades and their variants are "degenerate" but every other non-unique LoW is fine.

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 Fafnir wrote:
I'd be okay with banning Forgeworld units so long as they also banned Guilliman, Mortarion, Magnus, Celestine, Primaris Psykers, Imperial Guard Infantry Squads, Mortar Squads, Baneblades, Banehammers, Baneswords, Doomhammers, Hellhammers, Shadowswords, Stormlords, Stormswords, Manticores, Tempestus Scions, Tempestus Command Squads, Taurox Primes, Ogryn Bodyguards, Bullgryn, Eversor Assassins, Dark Reapers, Shining Spears, Spiritseers, Hive Tyrants, Genestealers, Tau Command Suits, and Ork Boyz.

Because if you're going to go and make arbitrary bans, you might as well take some of the actually degenerate gak out with it.


As a GK player I can live with this ban hammer list but I'm conflicted because there are no GK models on it.
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Most people with a FW model will tell you the rules when they use them, and not a second earlier.

After all, springing unexpected rules on unsuspecting opponents is part of the power of FW models.
o_O

You mean like "hey here's my army list, oh you haven't seen that unit? Lemme get you the rules"? Because thats hardly unreasonable.

Are we expecting anyone with an FW mod to have to preemptively explain it before being prompted simply because it is FW and they should always just assume nobody has an idea of what it does and its always going to do something so unique they'd have no clue from looking at the model? Or are we talking about something getting sprung on turn 3 onto an opponent who didnt look at their opponents army/list and ask a question?

 Fafnir wrote:
I'd be okay with banning Forgeworld units so long as they also banned Guilliman, Mortarion, Magnus, Celestine, Primaris Psykers, Imperial Guard Infantry Squads, Mortar Squads, Baneblades, Banehammers, Baneswords, Doomhammers, Hellhammers, Shadowswords, Stormlords, Stormswords, Manticores, Tempestus Scions, Tempestus Command Squads, Taurox Primes, Ogryn Bodyguards, Bullgryn, Eversor Assassins, Dark Reapers, Shining Spears, Spiritseers, Hive Tyrants, Genestealers, Tau Command Suits, and Ork Boyz.

Because if you're going to go and make arbitrary bans, you might as well take some of the actually degenerate gak out with it.
never thought id see the day that basic IG troops and Mortars were on people's ban lists

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Its a very common rule, because they want to prevent people from bringing BS like the falcion super heavy tank that has 2 volcano cannons on it to just obliterate units a turn. Or cheeky stuff like taking quad batteries that allow you to fill out detachments for a cheap easy +3 command points.

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A falchion is 800 points BEFORE you pay for it's quad las. I hope for it's point cost it can kill a unit a turn.



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SirWeeble wrote:
 AaronWilson wrote:
It's this thread again! This topic must come up once a week right?


OP here.

I just got back into the game and on this forum a short while ago - that's why i asked, and it don't see anything in the first few pages of this forum on the topic, nor have I seen it since I've come here. I searched the forum to see if I'm being a eejit by reposting a topic that's already beaten to death, and I don't see it anywhere - but the search function seems crappy so I may have missed it. So, no it hasn't been posted already this week, or in a month from what I see.

The thread has stayed up for a while since people keep adding to it though.

Here's my thread about the same topic. For your reading pleasure.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/745145.page

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Its a very common rule, because they want to prevent people from bringing BS like the falcion super heavy tank that has 2 volcano cannons on it to just obliterate units a turn. Or cheeky stuff like taking quad batteries that allow you to fill out detachments for a cheap easy +3 command points.


You do realize you can pay for two Shadowswords and then some for the price of that Falchion, right? So that's your two volcano cannons right there. From a GW source. That's got nearly twice the durability, better CC, and better target picking opportunities (because you can split the volcano cannons across two targets rather than being forced to fire them at just one).

And what detachment uses the Quad Batteries (heavy support) to gain +3 command points? In fact, what are you talking about? If you're talking about Guard Thudd Guns or Rapiers or Quad Heavy Bolters, then heavy weapons teams are better, and if you're talking about Space Marines, they're not called "quad batteries." In fact, there's nothing in any faction ever called a "quad battery."

It's inane rambling like this that makes me wonder if people actually read the forge world stuff.

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I mean come on, you're illegalizing my army that I payed for, to play at a tourney I'm paying to be in, for what? I get that there were lingering issues, but right now Death Korps is nowhere near normal guard in terms of competitiveness and the guard aren't banned.

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I think as long as GW won't even sell the basic FW rules outside of the FW mail order sales stream, there is going to be a wariness of them.

People say that banning FW is "arbitrary," when it of course is anything but. It's based on the difficulty in buying the rules and models, and the way FW itself brands itself as a niche product.

In Chapter Approved, the points hikes clearly moved nearly all of the FW big stuff into the realm of power level only, which means out of matched play.

For the record, I have no problem with forgeworld. Sure, nearly everything FW I see is the broken bits, which simply isn't true of other books. And while every one of these threads has a Death Korps or R&H player talking about the rules "banning their army," I've never seen those armies at any even that allowed FW. to me, banning FW seems to be cost/benefit thing. Sure, it annoys some people that have expensive models they'd like to use, but it also makes things easier for new players, and cuts down on the pirated rules/converted models thing.

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Store owners that can't sell it will do this.

I've had a shop reject me from a tournament for using Forge World models...

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 Polonius wrote:
It's based on the difficulty in buying the rules and models, and the way FW itself brands itself as a niche product.


IOW, it's arbitrary. FW rules and models might have been more difficult to buy back in 1980, before the internet existed, but in 2018 buying FW rules/models and buying "main GW" rules/models use the exact same process. Go to the GW website, put the products you want in your cart, check out and wait for them to arrive. If you're living in 2018 and haven't figured out online shopping yet, well, I don't really know what to say.

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You know, I once talked to a gentleman who said "FW is inaccessible for players" while ordering a Bluetooth speaker from Amazon on his phone.

Literally. Ordering. Something. Online. Saying. That. Ordering. Something. Online. Is. Hard.



And if you haven't seen those armies, Polonius, then you're not looking hard enough. I played one at NOVA, and played against one at NOVA, and met several other people who were playing them at NOVA, and I only go to one event per year: NOVA. I don't even look around.


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Also, by the same logic as "I can't get it in the stores" then we should ban the whole SOB line, and Baneblades, because they're online-only, and all the other Online Only gak (of which there is a ton).

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 Peregrine wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
It's based on the difficulty in buying the rules and models, and the way FW itself brands itself as a niche product.


IOW, it's arbitrary. FW rules and models might have been more difficult to buy back in 1980, before the internet existed, but in 2018 buying FW rules/models and buying "main GW" rules/models use the exact same process. Go to the GW website, put the products you want in your cart, check out and wait for them to arrive. If you're living in 2018 and haven't figured out online shopping yet, well, I don't really know what to say.


Of course it's more difficult than buying Citadel models or rules. It's not a grueling task, but at the very least it's far more expensive. I can buy a GW codex online, at various stores, on ebay, shipped to my house, or with pick up at a GW shop. Unless I'm really dumb, I'll be getting free shipping and two day delivery. FW orders take a week or more, and you pay a lot for shipping.

There is no good reason GW couldn't stock the FW Indexes. That they choose not to continues to create the air that it's a separate product.

It's not arbitrary, you just don't find the rationale compelling.

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 Polonius wrote:
I think as long as GW won't even sell the basic FW rules outside of the FW mail order sales stream, there is going to be a wariness of them.

People say that banning FW is "arbitrary," when it of course is anything but. It's based on the difficulty in buying the rules and models, and the way FW itself brands itself as a niche product.

In Chapter Approved, the points hikes clearly moved nearly all of the FW big stuff into the realm of power level only, which means out of matched play.

For the record, I have no problem with forgeworld. Sure, nearly everything FW I see is the broken bits, which simply isn't true of other books. And while every one of these threads has a Death Korps or R&H player talking about the rules "banning their army," I've never seen those armies at any even that allowed FW. to me, banning FW seems to be cost/benefit thing. Sure, it annoys some people that have expensive models they'd like to use, but it also makes things easier for new players, and cuts down on the pirated rules/converted models thing.


When I saw the point increases in Chapter Approved, all I could think of was "Uh oh, some one call the Waaaaahmbulance!"

Banning FW is just silly. It the same fething game system.

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
You know, I once talked to a gentleman who said "FW is inaccessible for players" while ordering a Bluetooth speaker from Amazon on his phone.

Literally. Ordering. Something. Online. Saying. That. Ordering. Something. Online. Is. Hard.


I've ordered from Amazon, and I've ordered from FW. I feel pretty comfortable saying which one was easier and more convenient. I'm not saying you have to navigate to the ends of the earth and survive the trial by fire to buy FW, but let's not pretend it's as easy as Amazon, and certainly not as easy as buying citadel models.

And if you haven't seen those armies, Polonius, then you're not looking hard enough. I played one at NOVA, and played against one at NOVA, and met several other people who were playing them at NOVA, and I only go to one event per year: NOVA. I don't even look around.


I've played competitive 40k off and on for 15 years, in dozens of stores in four states, plus Adepticon. I haven't played against those armies. I'm not doubting they exist, but they seem a lot rarer than just dumping a couple of FW units into a standard list.

Also, by the same logic as "I can't get it in the stores" then we should ban the whole SOB line, and Baneblades, because they're online-only, and all the other Online Only gak (of which there is a ton).


I didn't use that argument. I used the argument that GW doesn't sell it through their normal channels. they do sell online only stuff through their normal channels, which includes their webstore with pretty low threshold free shipping, or free shipping with in store pick up.

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 Polonius wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
It's based on the difficulty in buying the rules and models, and the way FW itself brands itself as a niche product.


IOW, it's arbitrary. FW rules and models might have been more difficult to buy back in 1980, before the internet existed, but in 2018 buying FW rules/models and buying "main GW" rules/models use the exact same process. Go to the GW website, put the products you want in your cart, check out and wait for them to arrive. If you're living in 2018 and haven't figured out online shopping yet, well, I don't really know what to say.


Of course it's more difficult than buying Citadel models or rules. It's not a grueling task, but at the very least it's far more expensive. I can buy a GW codex online, at various stores, on ebay, shipped to my house, or with pick up at a GW shop. Unless I'm really dumb, I'll be getting free shipping and two day delivery. FW orders take a week or more, and you pay a lot for shipping.

There is no good reason GW couldn't stock the FW Indexes. That they choose not to continues to create the air that it's a separate product.

It's not arbitrary, you just don't find the rationale compelling.


Wait so is it more expensive or more difficult?

If it's more expensive... we know why that's not an argument. An SOB squad is like $80 USD for 10, and a DKoK squad is $60 for ten right now. So... yeah. Not more expensive than some GW armies, to be sure.

You can buy a FW index online, on ebay, or shipped to your hose, and it's very easy to get free shipping either with a combined order, with a voucher, or by ordering over a certain amount of stuff. It's really not very difficult.

But yes, shipping takes longer than two days. I suppose that would be a crippling weakness that completely makes banning FW at tournaments.

EDIT: I pretty much routinely order from FW and find it fairly easy to navigate, about as easy as Amazon. Are you saying you somehow can't find the Add to Cart button on FW's website but Amazon's is easier or something? They're literally identical: find product, add to cart, checkout, payment, boom.

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Another funny excuse I've heard about banning FW from tournaments:

"Not everyone has access to the stuff for those models like they do a regular unit in the Codex"

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
It's based on the difficulty in buying the rules and models, and the way FW itself brands itself as a niche product.


IOW, it's arbitrary. FW rules and models might have been more difficult to buy back in 1980, before the internet existed, but in 2018 buying FW rules/models and buying "main GW" rules/models use the exact same process. Go to the GW website, put the products you want in your cart, check out and wait for them to arrive. If you're living in 2018 and haven't figured out online shopping yet, well, I don't really know what to say.


Of course it's more difficult than buying Citadel models or rules. It's not a grueling task, but at the very least it's far more expensive. I can buy a GW codex online, at various stores, on ebay, shipped to my house, or with pick up at a GW shop. Unless I'm really dumb, I'll be getting free shipping and two day delivery. FW orders take a week or more, and you pay a lot for shipping.

There is no good reason GW couldn't stock the FW Indexes. That they choose not to continues to create the air that it's a separate product.

It's not arbitrary, you just don't find the rationale compelling.


Wait so is it more expensive or more difficult?

If it's more expensive... we know why that's not an argument. An SOB squad is like $80 USD for 10, and a DKoK squad is $60 for ten right now. So... yeah. Not more expensive than some GW armies, to be sure.

You can buy a FW index online, on ebay, or shipped to your hose, and it's very easy to get free shipping either with a combined order, with a voucher, or by ordering over a certain amount of stuff. It's really not very difficult.

But yes, shipping takes longer than two days. I suppose that would be a crippling weakness that completely makes banning FW at tournaments.

EDIT: I pretty much routinely order from FW and find it fairly easy to navigate, about as easy as Amazon. Are you saying you somehow can't find the Add to Cart button on FW's website but Amazon's is easier or something? They're literally identical: find product, add to cart, checkout, payment, boom.


Wow, the snark is strong here. I'm just trying to explain why people feel a way. A way, I should point out, that I don't personally feel. I'm fine with FW. I own plenty and have access to the rules.

However, I try to have empathy for others, and understand why they make decisions I might not agree with. And yes, getting FW rules is both more difficult and more expensive than regular GW rules. You can never impulse buy FW. You never get free shipping (unless buying second hand on eBay or other weirdness). IT's always a bit more of a hassle.

I also know that the people running small store tournaments aren't always hardcore 40k gamers. they might not have the comfort level with all of the rules, and so want to make their life easier.


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Another funny excuse I've heard about banning FW from tournaments:

"Not everyone has access to the stuff for those models like they do a regular unit in the Codex"

People whining because they can't research everyone's list at the bookshelf at the FLGS.


Why is that a bad reason? 40k is a game of open information, right?

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