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 Paradigm wrote:
I disagree. Bioware Montreal were given Andromeda as their first full game, forced to release it before it was finished (had the fully patched version been the initial release the reaction world be far less hostile)

Cite an actual source. No Jimquisition garbage.

then denied them any opportunity to continue as a studio . The staff are at Motive or wherever, but Bioware Montreal as a studio no longer exists, had any of its prospects to develop a future project removed based on a single under performing title and is a casualty of EA's treatment of development studios.

Yes, because one title is the benchmark for EA shuttering a studio.

That's why Westwood pumped out how many C&C Generals games before they finally got taken out Old Yeller style?

If those staff at Motive were working on Andromeda 2 you'd have a point, but as it stands, Montreal as a development team was killed by EA. Sticking them onto a different project in a different studio is means that studio as a creative entity is gone. They weren't even given the chance to complete the work on Andromeda's DLC and had to finish it as a book. That pretty much demonstrates that the move to other studios was a reaction by EA to a single perceived failure, not a move that was planned long in advance. EA have proven they react harshly to studios who aren't massively successful, which is why I worry for Bioware if Anthem doesn't explode in popularity.

Mass Effect, period, has been put on the shelf as a brand.

You can pretend that this was some kind of slight aimed strictly at Montreal, but given that you don't know their contracts or anything like that? You're working purely off supposition and your own colored perception of EA.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I disagree. Bioware Montreal were given Andromeda as their first full game, forced to release it before it was finished (had the fully patched version been the initial release the reaction world be far less hostile)

Cite an actual source. No Jimquisition garbage.

The source is the game. When it released it had some extremely visible bugs and glitches that pretty much turned the internet against it overnight. Those bugs are pretty much all gone by around August last year (I think. Whenever the last patch came out). Given that the reception of the game was coloured so significantly by those bugs, it stands to reason that if it had released without them (ie. the studio had had the few months to fix it they clearly needed) the reception would be more positive.

Mass Effect, period, has been put on the shelf as a brand.

You can pretend that this was some kind of slight aimed strictly at Montreal, but given that you don't know their contracts or anything like that? You're working purely off supposition and your own colored perception of EA.

That proves what I'm trying to say. Between Mass Effect (one of the most beloved and popular franchises in gaming) being put on ice on the basis of a single bad game (despite more clearly being planned during development, either a sequel or at least a story DLC or two), and Visceral's SW game (one of the most popular franchises in anything ever) getting 'pivoted; or whatever the term they used was, it's clear EA basically has a no-tolerance policy towards anything that doesn't go 100% successfully and would sooner just cut their losses than take a risk or try to improve. In both cases, studios were closed as creative entities, and future games were either cancelled or postponed to an undisclosed point in the future.

Which is why I worry that if Anthem isn't a massive hit, Bioware and Dragon Age will suffer the same fate. DA has nothing to do with Anthem, but if Anthem does poorly, there's evidence to suggest Bioware's main studios will suffer the same fate as Montreal and Visceral. I have the same worry about Respawn now Titanfall is owned by EA. If TF3 does badly, Respawn will be done and before long, EA will be left with only The Sports: The Year That It Is and Battlefield.

I like a lot of the games EA produce, I think a lot of their studios have done/are doing some fantastic work, but EA as a publisher consistently come across as particularly greedy, reactionary and demanding and do not take kindly to even slight 'failure'... And yes, you could say that about Activision or Warner or many others, but ultimately, I focus here on EA as their games are the ones I have a vested interest in playing. The fate of a CoD dev team under Activision is not something I really care about as I haven't played a CoD in about a decade. EA, meanwhile, are behind several of my favorite ongoing franchises (DA, ME, Battlefield, Star Wars) so on a purely personal and selfish level, their treatment of studios concerns me as it threatens the future of the games I want to play.

Please take this elsewhere, please.

Apologies.

Back to the topic, is there any chance of Cyberpunk 2077 coming out in 2018? I know CDPR haven't said anything more than 'we'll release it when it's ready', but it's been in development for quite a while now. At the very least, hopefully we'll get some more info on exactly what kind of game they're building there.

No release date is known for for Cyberpunk yet, aside from their version of "When it's done, it's done", but unlike 3D Realms, this shouldn't be a worrying promise.

Aside from that one teaser nothing is known, not even the official site is giving anything away as of right now. I am not a fan of the Witcher franchise, but I do have high hopes for C2077 and I'm sure they'll do the property right by giving it the same level of polish as their previous titles.

Bannerlord

 Paradigm wrote:
Apologies.

Back to the topic, is there any chance of Cyberpunk 2077 coming out in 2018? I know CDPR haven't said anything more than 'we'll release it when it's ready', but it's been in development for quite a while now. At the very least, hopefully we'll get some more info on exactly what kind of game they're building there.

All we've got right now are the teaser trailer, and a more recent assurance (within the last year, iirc) that it's still being worked on. CDPR is working on that, and another unnamed title, and has been quite close mouthed about the progress on both.

I would guess that we'll finally start to see info on it again when it's about six months out from release.

I could live with that. To be honest I'd rather be 'hooked' by a game's marketing then be able to buy it a few months later than have a load of info come out but not be able to actually buy and play anything for ages, so if they want to sit on all the actual details until it's almost done then that's fine by me. And if I'm being honest, whenever they get around to announcing anything I probably still won't have finished Witcher 3 anyway so there's no rush!

That said, it's been almost 5 years since the teaser now... Surely it can't be that far out...

Yakuza 6 for me.

 Paradigm wrote:

That said, it's been almost 5 years since the teaser now... Surely it can't be that far out...

Late this year, or early next, I would imagine. If nothing else, CD Projekt Red has to pay the bills. The company can't go *too* long between game releases if they don't want to go bankrupt.

Actually, CD Project Red got a massive grant from the Polish government for developing some interesting stuff, so they can quite happily take as long as they need to getting things just right.

CDPR already has a good, constant revenue stream: they own GOG.com.

Cyberpunk Game
‏ @CyberpunkGame
4h4 hours ago

*beep*

Soooo....maybe?

 Paradigm wrote:
... Surely it can't be that far out...

Somewhere in the distance Duke Nukem can be heard laughing.

Dark Souls: Remastered coming to the Switch May 18....

...

Now I need to buy a Switch.

I was looking forward to FF12 on Steam but Denuvo destroyed that. Actually feeling a little upset about it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Cyberpunk Game
‏ @CyberpunkGame
4h4 hours ago

*beep*

Soooo....maybe?

Maybe someone over at CDPR reads Dakka? The timing is a bit of a big coincidence.

Still waiting on star citizen. If it's half as good as it's meant to be, it'll be the game of the decade. I hope.

If there’s one PC game I’m genuinely excited about playing in 2018 it’s Necromunda, especially if they do the campaign justice, and include the Outlander gangs, even if as DLC later on. If it’s done right I’m hoping it will scratch the XCom itch, 40K style.

I haven’t played the Mordheim PC game (same developers) but from what I hear the feedback seems to be mostly positive. Hopefully they can build on what they learnt there.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
I was looking forward to FF12 on Steam but Denuvo destroyed that. Actually feeling a little upset about it.

I thought there was a backlash against it before in other FF releases so they removed but now they are going back to it? Bleh.

El Torro wrote:
If there’s one PC game I’m genuinely excited about playing in 2018 it’s Necromunda, especially if they do the campaign justice, and include the Outlander gangs, even if as DLC later on. If it’s done right I’m hoping it will scratch the XCom itch, 40K style.

I haven’t played the Mordheim PC game (same developers) but from what I hear the feedback seems to be mostly positive. Hopefully they can build on what they learnt there.

Hopefully they spent a lot of time learning. Mordheim was... pretty bad. Mechanical changes that largely made the game worse, terrible UI, mediocre graphics, half-hearted animations.

Voss wrote:

El Torro wrote:
If there’s one PC game I’m genuinely excited about playing in 2018 it’s Necromunda, especially if they do the campaign justice, and include the Outlander gangs, even if as DLC later on. If it’s done right I’m hoping it will scratch the XCom itch, 40K style.

I haven’t played the Mordheim PC game (same developers) but from what I hear the feedback seems to be mostly positive. Hopefully they can build on what they learnt there.

Hopefully they spent a lot of time learning. Mordheim was... pretty bad. Mechanical changes that largely made the game worse, terrible UI, mediocre graphics, half-hearted animations.

I think people are letting the license blind them to the fact that most Warhammer games are, practically speaking, indie titles. These guys aren't Creative Assembly or Relic, and while I had issues with Mordheim I don't think you can hold it to the same standard as the "big budget" stuff - compared to other PC games of a similar scale made by devs of a similar size, Mordheim was a pretty typical experience.

Indeed, it absolutely was typical, most warhammer licensed games are awful. That isn't a blinder, that's more of a reason to be worried about Necromunda.

But that doesn't excuse how absolutely awful the animations and UI were. Any idiot these days can pick up a Unity kit and start with better defaults than their finished end product.

CD Projekt Red is saying that Cyberpunk 2077 will be at E3...THIS YEAR!.

*toot toot* Hypetrain?

Voss wrote:
Indeed, it absolutely was typical, most warhammer licensed games are awful. That isn't a blinder, that's more of a reason to be worried about Necromunda.

But that doesn't excuse how absolutely awful the animations and UI were. Any idiot these days can pick up a Unity kit and start with better defaults than their finished end product.

Obviously I disagree, you're vastly overstating how bad it is. Is it Dawn of War, TWWH, or even Space Marine? No, but it's hardly on the same level as the various garbage shovelware and mobile games that have come out using GW licenses - it's a flawed game but there's fun to be had. Then again I happily go back and play KotOR and Mass Effect and the original two Fallouts despite them all apparently having the worst UI's ever to affront the human eye according to some.

Voss wrote:

Eh. I was pretty underwhelmed by the gameplay video they put out for MW5. The animations were janky to non-existent (except the Shadow Hawk's cannon, right by the cockpit), and the graphics were... fairly indifferent (the building textures and transition to the 'damaged' skin was outright awful).
I played pretty much all the MW games when I was younger, but this.. eh. Just not terribly impressed or enthused by it.

PGI has got to be at the top of my list for developers so bad at game development I just want them not making games anymore. MWO has been a long roller coaster of horrible business decisions, pissing all over your player base, incompetent technical work, and promises that were never kept. I think out of a list of a dozen odd items originally promised for MWO way back in 2010 or 2011 less than half of it has found it's way into MWO as of 2018, and what did get in is not remotely like what was originally described. I looked at the feature list for MW5 and my sense of deja vu was quite strong.

As a guy very familiar with who is making MW5, I can assure you of five things.

1) Russ will promise you the best sounding game you've ever heard of
2) Russ will never deliver that game
3) Russ will say it's your fault
4) You'll ask how is it my fault?
5) Russ will hold out his hand, demand more money, and tell you you just aren't as big a Battletech fan as he is

 Kanluwen wrote:
CD Projekt Red is saying that Cyberpunk 2077 will be at E3...THIS YEAR!.

*toot toot* Hypetrain?

Not necessarily. It probably just means a game play trailer or maybe an alpha build. It could be 2 more E3's before the game actually happens.

I don't know, if it's at E3 this year I'd expect a Q1 2019 release at the latest. Their exact words:

"We're impressed with Fallout 4's rollout. [Bethesda] came on stage and said, 'It's here, it's real, and it's coming out on this date.' We're going to wait [to reveal Cyberpunk 2077] until we can show off a very meaningful piece of it."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-01-17-cd-projekt-red-shtum-on-rumour-cyberpunk-2077-will-be-at-e3-this-year

So if it's on show and there's anything playable, it'll be out no more than 6-9 months afterwards, I reckon. Their plans seems to be to wait until the vast majority of the work is done, then show it all off in one go rather than stringing people along with tidbits and hints for months on end.

I just seen a preview of A Way Out which I'm now looking forward to.

There isn't anywhere near enough couch co-op these days.

 LordofHats wrote:

Voss wrote:

Eh. I was pretty underwhelmed by the gameplay video they put out for MW5. The animations were janky to non-existent (except the Shadow Hawk's cannon, right by the cockpit), and the graphics were... fairly indifferent (the building textures and transition to the 'damaged' skin was outright awful).
I played pretty much all the MW games when I was younger, but this.. eh. Just not terribly impressed or enthused by it.

PGI has got to be at the top of my list for developers so bad at game development I just want them not making games anymore. MWO has been a long roller coaster of horrible business decisions, pissing all over your player base, incompetent technical work, and promises that were never kept. I think out of a list of a dozen odd items originally promised for MWO way back in 2010 or 2011 less than half of it has found it's way into MWO as of 2018, and what did get in is not remotely like what was originally described. I looked at the feature list for MW5 and my sense of deja vu was quite strong.

As a guy very familiar with who is making MW5, I can assure you of five things.

1) Russ will promise you the best sounding game you've ever heard of
2) Russ will never deliver that game
3) Russ will say it's your fault
4) You'll ask how is it my fault?
5) Russ will hold out his hand, demand more money, and tell you you just aren't as big a Battletech fan as he is

I think you posted this on the wrong forum, here's the one you were aiming for: https://mwomercs.com/forums/forum/216-general-discussion/

Edit: With any luck Inquisitor: Martyr will come out and not suck total ass. Here's hoping.