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 Easy E wrote:
Here is my recommendation:

Spoiler:

I second that. Horizon Wars is a great little rule set. A buddy and I have played it several times, and he used some of the Robotech stuff, while I used a mix of Dropzone Commander and Firestorm Planetfall.

Polyversal is another option. I’d really like to get some use out of the figures I forced myself to assemble.

 warboss wrote:

 jaymz wrote:
Prelim VF-1 X-wing cards.....Basically I figure that during the activation step you decide what form you want and use that card/dial for the turn. As they all cost 14pts (and would have to share the same upgrades thus they all have the same upgrade slots) then you only pay once for the fighter in your force.

Some nice work there. Back when the kickstarter first funded, I did some very preliminary work on converting the game to flightpath rules as well. At this point, though, it might be better to wait until the 2nd edition is out and convert it to that instead of soon to be legacy 1st edition IMO.

This was my crack at it - didn't get incredibly far, but...further than I think PB did.

Given what I've seen so far of X-Wing 2.0 (full disclosure: everything from Wave 1), I think the changes introduced will probably make the conversion easier. I haven't checked out the D&D one, though, and I probably should.

While the base rules for the D&D Attack Wing are good (I used part of their rules for the "ground combat" in my version), their ability to design balanced units (and work within their bounds of their own rules) is horrid. There is a reason the game went nowhere, and why the Star Trek game is floundering.

Actually star trek is attempting to rebalance and is trying adjust and revise things

How's that going? I read awhile back there was some nigh unbeatable combo that would derail the meta if made public. Worf ever nerf that?

I like the idea of an attack wing skirmish variant of Robotech, but it's far too klunky for large scale battles.

Not sure. I know I have a good combine I use....not sure how meta it is....

For fleet scale I'm looking at Armada....

Ground scale I'm looking at alpha strike or mekton variations.

For Fleet Scale, you might want to glance at Jovian Chronicles/Lightning Strikes (which may have been a spin off of Mekton?) too.

Oh jovial chronicles is some thing I'm looking at in general as I like the silcore system as well

This is what I did up for Wave one in Alpha Strike.

http://worldofjaymz.wikia.com/wiki/Robotech_Alpha_Strike

So, it seems Palladium has won a Pyrrhic victory for now - they’ve bought off a small number of malcontent backers (which includes me), at the cost that only a dwindling number of the whitest knights will support - or care - about them. The threat of lawsuit seems to be hollow for now, and any mention of RRT by PB is now taboo.

Is this become now truly dead and buried?

I'm glad that you got your money!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm glad that you got your money!

Well, not cash - like I would have preferred - but I went for the product swap. In the end it didn’t feel worth it for me to stick out a lawsuit, for which I would have received nothing material in return. At this point holding out to bury PB seems foolish pride as I have faith they’ll manage to implode well enough by themselves. I feel I can confidently state that only a fool(ish mark/dupe) would continue to support them now.

Sorry, when I read "bought off", I thought actual money had transferred. At least you can call it "done".

I just tried to make a post on a thread in PB's forum about how I think PB didn't set out to swindle people but at some point along the way they definitely had to have made the choice to actively do so. It is being reviewed by mods now, let's see if it goes through lol.

One thing that prompted me to make the post was the last two PB news emails I've received say that they are doing RRT demos at upcoming cons. It seems very odd to me they'd do this for a game they stopped manufacturing and can't even sell.

Are you new to the PB forums?

They have a fairly aggressive 'new poster' system where your first couple of posts need to be reviewed. It goes away after a few, and even after a temp ban (that I did nothing worth implementing) and deleting posts outright without bothering to tell me, they still haven't put it back (or just shown me the door, if I'm such a malcontent).

Though my participation has been greatly reduced in the last year or so. I guess I can now assess that 'half a decade' is about as long as I'll actively hold a grudge.

However, due to an incident with a pizza place in my teen years, I can safely say that "two decades and counting" is how long I'll passively hold onto one.

New to the forum, no. But it was my first post lol.

I've been on Bolter & Chainsword for a while, so I'm used to mods deleting my posts without any notification . What really bugs me is when they close down a thread so they can have the last word in an argument.

You have read up a bit on the MODs at PB right?
They are under no obligation to allow any of your criticism or opinions to remain on the site, plus it IS PB's site so they are not required to host anything that may make them look bad.

I can't wait for some time to pass and the Kickstarter would then be referred to as "successfully completed", "wildly popular" and my favorite: "backers begging for more!".

It will be interesting when they will try to have another sales push.
I am sure they will need a break from being so exhausted from doing %500 more work than they are used to.
I am expecting to see their next KS "update" to say "If you want to continue your adventures, play RIFTS! With our new "Anime Stomping Robot" edition that will round out your collection!!"

Anyway, yes, it may be a lesson in letting go.
I am sure some new "crisis of treachery" will happen: Kevin cannot live without drama or he occasionally implodes.

Let's not forget the head MOD tried to stage a coup on a facebook group I had to retake control of after handing it off. He is really the main issue in regards to the mod team there.

I just found the mod review surprising and amusing, but ultimately not important.

The important part I thought was that PB is still, as of last Thursday, saying they will be running RRT demos at Cons they will be at.

...also that I think they did at some point actively decided to cheat their backers against the people saying that they don't think PB meant to do it. You get caught trying to hide a body and claim you found the person dead, it is not going to look good even if you can prove that you didn't kill the person.

 jaymz wrote:
Let's not forget the head MOD tried to stage a coup on a facebook group I had to retake control of after handing it off. He is really the main issue in regards to the mod team there.

Well, Facebook is a whole other thing.
You didn't hand that over to our good buddy NMI did you?
I was obviously not paying attention, what was he doing that could be considered a coup?
That would mean people would follow what he says which I am finding a bit hard to believe.
Or did the firm hand of dictatorship descend upon the masses?
At least we get a warning of two, usually from our fellow users before the MODs need to put their foot down.

I would still like to see a space here on Dakka where anyone can post some progress on their models or got a game in (whatever form that may be) and took pictures.
I was just looking at some VT electronic warfare bits a guy has been working on, it is still exciting times.
I just now have to get my hands on some Zent Infantry because blowing them up in their pods is just not good enough.


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Skaorn wrote:
...also that I think they did at some point actively decided to cheat their backers against the people saying that they don't think PB meant to do it. You get caught trying to hide a body and claim you found the person dead, it is not going to look good even if you can prove that you didn't kill the person.

It sounds a wee bit convoluted but I think it is pretty clear at some point they decided to keep what money they could after messing up with an insane amount of retail stock ordered.
I can absolutely guarantee they ran nothing out of pocket (How would I know? You have not been paying attention to how Kevin runs things...) and if there was anything they could keep after being forced to get rid of the stock they did.
"Best effort" made, collect their reward, and say "so-long and thanks for all the fish!"

 Talizvar wrote:

 jaymz wrote:
Let's not forget the head MOD tried to stage a coup on a facebook group I had to retake control of after handing it off. He is really the main issue in regards to the mod team there.

Well, Facebook is a whole other thing.
You didn't hand that over to our good buddy NMI did you?
I was obviously not paying attention, what was he doing that could be considered a coup?
That would mean people would follow what he says which I am finding a bit hard to believe.
Or did the firm hand of dictatorship descend upon the masses?
At least we get a warning of two, usually from our fellow users before the MODs need to put their foot down.

The usual tactic of Palladium white knights back in the day was to stroll into a productive constructive criticism thread that was well within the rules (even by NMI's shifting sands standards) and stir the pot with ignorant or insulting posts. When those originally posting would take the bait, they'd report the thread and it would get closed (usually with no penalty for the gak stirrers and the discussion ended just like they planned). I have no idea what happened with their facebook coup so would be interested in hearing more on that though.

I would still like to see a space here on Dakka where anyone can post some progress on their models or got a game in (whatever form that may be) and took pictures.
I was just looking at some VT electronic warfare bits a guy has been working on, it is still exciting times.

I don't have any issue with that. At the moment for me personally, I wouldn't post in the thread as I frankly don't have anything remotely positive or uplifting to add to Robotech discussions. Palladium (and to a lesser extent HG through their inaction while Palladium misled their shared mutual customers) has ruined Robotech for me and only time will tell if it is temporary (as in a few years) or permanent. I suppose if the movie ever actually goes into production, I'll see if it can generate a spark of interest in me. YMMV and I wish others the best with their hobby work.

Long story short.

I ran a pb based fb group.
I handed it over to group of people to run stipulating nmi is to never be given any mod powers.
One of three went a bit whacko and turfed the other 2.
I found out by complete fluke.
Whacko took the bait of help from nmi.
I played midiator retook control and got the three back on the same page.
The three plus one more now run day to day as mods while I remain admin.
fethwit got a temp booting out of the group.

Nmi has been wanting to get his mitts on that group since I started it and embarrasssed pb into putting up a fb page months sooner than they wanted to thus being shown to be idiots for saying putting up a fb page was too much work at the time. My guess is he couldn't stand to see people being able too talk ill of pb without consequence.

I can't imagine that you handed the group over to anyone else.

Yup for about a year or so.

I ran 3 pb based fb groups and handed them all off as well running pb based proboard which I shut down.

The only reason I retook control and remain as admin is to keep that fethwit nmi away from it.

Was the power hungry mod/admin anyone we'd know from the official forums? That sounds a bit complex tbh for a white knight scheme as they typically just prefer simple abuse of power granted by the Kev Almighty. Why didn't you originally just stay the admin and hand off mod functions (and day to day stuff) over to the triumvirate while also unfollowing/muting/whatever the group so you don't see what's going on until you specifically want to?

Yeah it was nmi the head mod on the official forums.

As for staying admin. I wanted zero to do with pb aside from my own stuff on my personal group and wiki. It was fine for a year. The other two groups are going just fine as well after 2 years of me not being admin (though I am still a member).



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Like I said though....it really rubbed him raw that people could speak openly for good or ill about pb and there was nothing he could do abou it. He was in effect powerless there and people there knew it. Mind you he's vindictively gone after people on the official forums for things said in that Facebook group. Yes he is that petty.

Considering he banned me years ago for three months *for someone else's post!* in a RRPGT complaint thread on the Palladium forums, I certainly believe he would do that.

The group I admin is likely also the most open to discussion of Palladium games and company there is. Generally no issue with language used etc. Pretty much all the others seem to one down on people "talk games not company we're all here to have fun"