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Historically the Chaos Primarchs being playable is old news, as they were playable in Epic 40,000 way back in the day. They also made appearances in the lore long after the heresy. The 1st war for Armageddon comes to mind.

What is this heresy? Space Woofs are the bestest!

FWIW they have pruned some of the options like Wolfy Talisman of Wolfiness and some other Fangs of the Wolfy McWolfins. But is it the silly naming and a couple of silly kits that make people dislike or even hate Space Wolves or is it something more implicit? I've played SW since the 2nd and the space viking theme really spoke to me then, silly chapter name notwithstanding...

Anyway, I have two speeders and I'm thinking of turning them into wrecks for terrain. That is how viable they feel at their current state...

A unit of three landspeeders with twin heavy flamers on each model is pretty good at deleting hordes. They have move 20" which makes it easy to get within 8". They can fallback and still autohit.

 Weazel wrote:
What is this heresy? Space Woofs are the bestest!

FWIW they have pruned some of the options like Wolfy Talisman of Wolfiness and some other Fangs of the Wolfy McWolfins. But is it the silly naming and a couple of silly kits that make people dislike or even hate Space Wolves or is it something more implicit? I've played SW since the 2nd and the space viking theme really spoke to me then, silly chapter name notwithstanding...

Anyway, I have two speeders and I'm thinking of turning them into wrecks for terrain. That is how viable they feel at their current state...

Personally for me when they brought out 13th company a nuber of editions back that was the breaking point they went from space Vikings to full space furries. Since then like most bespoke marine codex it's just been marine's with extra rules or better wargear.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Primark G wrote:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but Russ is not the next Primarch to release.

I really hope that for once you're right!

Hopefully it's the Lion instead!

The Dark Angels Codex is already out isn't it? I wasn't aware the Lion had been released with it.
Point being, the "logical" next Primarch should be Russ as the Wolves Codex has yet to drop. It would make sense to release the next Primarch in the Codex of their Chapter. DAs missed their chance, so Wolves are the next best guess.
If the Wolves Dex drops without Russ, then the Lion has a better chance to be next. Time will tell.

 p5freak wrote:
A unit of three landspeeders with twin heavy flamers on each model is pretty good at deleting hordes. They have move 20" which makes it easy to get within 8". They can fallback and still autohit.

 Weazel wrote:
Anyway, I have two speeders and I'm thinking of turning them into wrecks for terrain. That is how viable they feel at their current state...

Thanx for the heads up. I'm getting the Speeder mostly to further my collection of Marines from all Chapters. I'll only be getting 1 because of this and only play Marines under 50 Power Level against CSM and Necrons in similar Highlander style lists (only 1 of any given unit allowed).

I'm still teaching my kids to play, so our games are already simplified. We don't use WL/army traits and the only Strat we use is to re-roll dice. We also have a house rule that MEQs are 2Ws to beef up the feel of the games.
For the Speeder, it will pretty much just be a gunboat distraction to take fire away from the Razorback and Ven Dread. It's probably not going to hurt our games to allow the Speeder to have 3 weapons, especially since it's likely to only see 1-2 turns of action.
Nevertheless, magnets will be involved.

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BrianDavion wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
In one thread:

SM sux0r coz need BobbyG FTW.

This thread:

Popping wood about the possibility of Wuss Wuss.


Hate to be the bearer of bad news but Russ is not the next Primarch to release.

and whats your source on that? that sounds like a pretty strong statement, got an inside source that says otherwise?


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Martel732 wrote:
I hate them and want them squatted. If that's discrimination, then so be it. They are everything wrong with 40K squeezed into one codex.

I dislike this so screw all the thousands of people who like it!

In this case, I'm willing to throw them under the bus.


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 Weazel wrote:
What is this heresy? Space Woofs are the bestest!

FWIW they have pruned some of the options like Wolfy Talisman of Wolfiness and some other Fangs of the Wolfy McWolfins. But is it the silly naming and a couple of silly kits that make people dislike or even hate Space Wolves or is it something more implicit? I've played SW since the 2nd and the space viking theme really spoke to me then, silly chapter name notwithstanding...

Anyway, I have two speeders and I'm thinking of turning them into wrecks for terrain. That is how viable they feel at their current state...

SW and all their materials can burn.

 Weazel wrote:
What is this heresy? Space Woofs are the bestest!

FWIW they have pruned some of the options like Wolfy Talisman of Wolfiness and some other Fangs of the Wolfy McWolfins. But is it the silly naming and a couple of silly kits that make people dislike or even hate Space Wolves or is it something more implicit? I've played SW since the 2nd and the space viking theme really spoke to me then, silly chapter name notwithstanding...

Viking theme is OK. Hell, even Wolf theme would be OK if applied in limited quantities. Sadly, SW also get super-speshul ice meltaguns and ice swords (that both sound/look stupid and have OP rules) they refuse to share with anyone else, lots of really stupid units (like that crazy dreadnought that bites enemies to death instead of being put out of its misery and used for proper hero, or santa sleigh), plus one of the greatest, dumbest Mary Sues in 40K, Logan Grimnar.

And that is saying something, because most things people call MS are just plain wrong and slang for "I don't like him", but Logan definitely qualifies - winning war with both Inquisition and Grey Knights at once, somehow surprising and killing GK equivalent of Chapter Master, despite the fact guy was a psyker surrounded by his retinue (also psykers), none of them even twitching before Logan Sue killed their boss with an axe (hilariously enough, that was written when axe was I1 and most of GK weapons described were I6...), and for all of that, he wasn't even punished in any way, despite his reasons to start the war were idiotic to begin with ("protecting" soldiers already corrupted by Khorne) and he destroying his and his chapter's honor in the process...

The only thing worse than Space Wolves are Grey Knights.

What about Grey Wolf Space Knights?

Wolf Knight Space Greys?

I'm getting the Speeder mostly to further my collection of Marines from all Chapters.

Hawk Lords would probably be a speeder, unless you were going to do a entire purple thunder hawk. That doesn’t seem to be what you were looking for, though.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
What about Grey Wolf Space Knights?

Grey Wolf Space Sisters of Ultramarr

There. That should offend everyone.

Toss in Slaanesh and you're good to go.

So I got the kit and am pleasantly surprised at all the options in the kit and just how well it has held up over time. All the chassis pieces fit together perfectly.
So perfectly in fact that I haven't completely glued it together and the sides and top are holding on by themselves with zero gaps.

I'm waiting to glue them until I figure out how to magnetize the Typhoons.
I've seen several tutorials on magnetizing the doors, but I really don't want extra parts lying around and taking up extra magnets.
I think what I will do is glue large magnets behind the main doors (the ones that don't have the holes for the TMLs) and a large magnet on the TMLs with a small pin at the top to fit into a small hole at the handle of the door (to hide the hole). These pins will be to prevent the TMLs from rotating from gravity.

That way I can just glue the main doors in place and the TMLs can just pop on or off. No need to swap with the doors.
The doors intended for the TMLs can then be used as basing wreckage or something.

Is there any reason to magnetize the front gunner? Since I'm using Power level, I don't really see a need to ever take a HB over a MM.
I'll probably still do it in case rules change in the future (Rapid fire 3 HB anyone?)

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Multi-meltas are mega trash in 8th.

Martel732 wrote:
Multi-meltas are mega trash in 8th.

Only because they cost too much and only have 1 shot (seriously it has 2 friggin barrels, why it is not 2 shots?).
But when using Power Levels, a MM costs the same as a HB. Arguably a MM is far better against its intended targets (large multi-wound models with good armour) than a HB is against its intended targets (1W infantry)

But I agree when using points in Matched play. They really need a points drop AND extra shot. Otherwise 2 regular Meltas are better in every situation.
Add the appropriate salt when you realize 2 Plasmas are better than 2 Meltas in most situations anyway.

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 Galef wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I hate them and want them squatted. If that's discrimination, then so be it. They are everything wrong with 40K squeezed into one codex.

WOW. I am well aware of your general hatred of Eldar, but they haven't made you quit yet. So the sheer loathing you have for Wolves must be immense.

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I too loathe space wolves.

Not only because they are just space marines +1 in every edition. They kill the setting IMO. We really didn't need vikings in space.

 Xenomancers wrote:
We really didn't need vikings in space.

But you have to admit, they'd at least be tolerable as Vikings in space as opposed to the Space furries they actually are.

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 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
We really didn't need vikings in space.

But you have to admit, they'd at least be tolerable as Vikings in space as opposed to the Space furries they actually are.

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The Vikings in space thing I love and is brought me into Space Wolves. GW flanderising them into space furries drove me out of them.

 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
We really didn't need vikings in space.

But you have to admit, they'd at least be tolerable as Vikings in space as opposed to the Space furries they actually are.

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I'd agree to that. If they lost the super uber duper for-no-reason gear.

Martel732 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
We really didn't need vikings in space.

But you have to admit, they'd at least be tolerable as Vikings in space as opposed to the Space furries they actually are.

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I'd agree to that. If they lost the super uber duper for-no-reason gear.

While we're at it we can get rid of BA's uber duper units and DA's better stuff too. Blandness for all!

False equivalence. And for BA, that's removing the captain HQ. That's it. They're already super bland.

How? Apart from having Death Company. And special tanks for some reason. And super special veterans. And the best Chapter Master ever.

pm713 wrote:
How? Apart from having Death Company. And special tanks for some reason. And super special veterans. And the best Chapter Master ever.

Might as well take all that crap out now. It sucks. All of it. But SW stuff will magically be amazing and frag knights in two hits!

BA also have better Assault Marines, better Veterans, better Apothecaries, a unique Predator, and better Dreadnoughts (two of them). Plus unique wargear like hand flamers and better power swords. Those are the BA equivalents to unique SW units.

BA, SW, and DA are all Marines++. That’s just the faction design. BT used to be the same thing, too.

I disagree with a lot of that. The most playable dreads are leviathans and ven dreads. BA don't get ven dreads. The unique predator is unplayable garbage, inferior to a razorback. BA do not have better veterans to my knowledge.

Martel732 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
How? Apart from having Death Company. And special tanks for some reason. And super special veterans. And the best Chapter Master ever.

Might as well take all that crap out now. It sucks. All of it. But SW stuff will magically be amazing and frag knights in two hits!

Oh I forgot. You're mindset is that if it's not OP it essentially doesn't exist. That's a huge chip on your shoulder too.

Martel732 wrote:
I disagree with a lot of that. The most playable dreads are leviathans and ven dreads. BA don't get ven dreads. The unique predator is unplayable garbage, inferior to a razorback. BA do not have better veterans to my knowledge.

You’re missing the point entirely. We’re talking unique units that are improvements from vanilla units, not “OPs”. The better veterans are both jump pack veterans, plus Sanguinary Guard.

I don't care that SW get unique units. I mind that they are almost always the most obnoxious power armor army in the game for arbitrary reasons.

As we can see, unique units that don't function are never used, and so might as well not exist.

Martel732 wrote:
I'd agree to that. If they lost the super uber duper for-no-reason gear.