What is your "No Model No Rules" RIP List?

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**Booger ork**

Warboss in mega armour
2 looted leman russ
looted valkyrie
boss nob with shoota and choppa
big gun
Trukk with rokkit
Battlewagon with rokkits
Rough riders

**Blndmage**

Big Gunz
I'd finally gotten 2 full units...

**CynosureEldar**

mumbles something about the Vect model, in the distance, the sound of said model falling off shelf again

**CthuluIsSpy**

Big Mek with KFF
Scratch built big gunz

**tneva82**

Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Zero, because Indexes are still legal, for now. AFAIK the only models that have been truly invalidated are Vect and I think one Tyranid Warrior loadout?

That being said the only models I have that wouldn't be kosher anymore might be a couple of Dreadnoughts with mismatched ranged arms.

How long is that going to last? When have they ever allowed you to use whatever entries/rules/datasheets from previous codexes?

For me, I have 5 Big Mek with KFF, Warboss on warbike, warboss in mega armor, several lobbas and kannons. Its quite a bit actually.

Not to mention for many they are already illegal

**An Actual Englishman**

Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

All things considered, I was under the impression that a looted leman russ would be a battlewagon, a looted rhino would be a trukk, and a looted baneblade would be a battlefortress.

Considering that Battlewagons, Trukks, Battlefortresses, etc. are frequently made by scrapping wrecked other-people's armor, I don't see why there needs to be special rules for "this is specifically a looted leman russ", so much as "this is battlewagon, it's made from a Leman Russ."

Battlefortresses don’t exist in matched play....

My list is as follows;

Painboy on bike
KFF Big Mek on bike
KFF Big Mek (recently created and painted up

)
Warboss on bike
Nob with Kombi Skorcha and Big Choppa (debatable)

Probably some other units I’m forgetting.

**lord_blackfang**

The full gamut of White Scars biker characters.
Ork biker Boss, naked Big Meks, 6 Big Gunz, a ton of Battlewagons and Trukks with illegal weapons (rokkits), Kommando heavy weapons, probably forgetting more stuff.

**Grimtuff**

Off the top of my head-

Lord on Palanquin.
PM Champs with Combi weapons
Skulltaker on Jugger
Skulltaker on Chariot
My counts as Fiends and Plaguebearers (The army was all Khorne in 5th ed when it was built and now keyword interaction makes it useless)
Kommandos with Burnas (appears to be the case from this thread. not got the Ork dex yet)
Warboss on Bike
Lobbas
Looted Wagon

**bullyboy**

Like others have said, mine is simply a Ravenwing Chaplain and Librarian on bike.

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

pm713 wrote:
My Corsairs army. No more lovely super close range fighting.

This hits me right in the feels. I had about 3000 points of corsairs at the end of seventh ed.

This biggest kick in the teeth is their "make your Corsair prince a felarch..." Answer to people asking where the statline for the prince was.

You FORCED every Corsair player to make one AND ONLY ONE prince in order to run the army. You made the model mandatory to play and didn't have the decency to give us a statline for him.

Immagine if the told space Marines that chapter masters didn't exist, but it's ok because you could just use any of them that aren't named as a Sargent for your tactical marines.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Made a Primaris Captain with storm shield. No rules for it, but I just proxy as a Gravis Captain, or as a Captain with a relic that gives more durability.

My Deathwatch in 7th suffered from this, I converted and built a pretty decent DW army, and then when the actual Codex dropped, couldn't take Scouts, Stormravens, or Apothecaries.

Guard Veterans with demo charges, camo-cloaks and/or carapace armour, but I just ignore them and play them as normal Vets.

Kill Team related, but having Doc Dorden in my Tanith Kill Team, when (at the time), Guardsmen couldn't have Medic specialists. Thankfully that's changed.

Twin plasma pistols on a guard Veteran Sergeant.

**Blackie**

Well not tons of models actually.

Drukhari: just the archon with blaster that I converted. I still can take it by using the index but if it's not legal I'll just count him as an Archon with blast pistol.

Space Wolves: none. I have 7 bikes which are fully magnetized that used to be characters on bike and Wolf Guards on bikes, now all removed. But since they're magnetized I can still run them as Swiftclaws.

Orks: way more stuff since the codex doesn't cover my biker boss, biker mek with KFF, biker painboy, footslogging big mek, 2 doks with killsaws, mek with rokkit launcha, 3 kannonz and 6 buggies. But I could use the biker boss as Zhadnsark or even deffkilla wartrike, big mek as a biker nob since KFF is removable (magnetized), painboy also as a biker nob, doks as nobz with killsaws, mek as a tankbusta, kannonz as any possible mek gunz and buggies as the new vehicles. Only the footsloggin big mek with KFF could be shelved forever since it does have just a choppa, which make him too different than a mek in megarmor to let him cout as it. I also can't use the rokkits on transports anymore, but luckily they were also magnetized and replaceble by legal big shootas. I also have a looted rhino but I used it mostly as a converted trukk even in the previous editions since its kill kannons is also removable.

So basically over 20K points of stuff it's just a single model and a few magnetized bitz that were completely affected by the No Rule No Model issue.

**Nightlord1987**

I sold off all my Chaos characters on bikes, then sold off my Space Marine characters on bikes without realizing Captain on Bike is still in their codex...

Needless to say I'm not doing anymore bikes

**kaotkbliss**

Do squats count? LOL

**edwardmyst**

Just adding on to the huge pile of Sisters. Cannoness with jump pack primary. I could also add some white scars bikers still being bought from the index, not to mention the leader of the most bikerish space marine faction EVER who...no longer gets a bike apparently. He even NAMED the thing! And he just forgot about it in the back of the garage covered by a tarp??? Hmm is garage called something else across the Atlantic?

**Souleater**

My converted Dark Eldar characters on bikes. I made an Archon, Succubus and Haemonculus all with suitably nodded bikes.

I was really disappointed when tbey were dropped a couple of codexes ago.

**Gulgog TufToof**

Yeah, big mek with KFF, lobbas and kannons here, too. I keep hoping GW will “made to order” that kommando with burna model. He could be the fifth burna in a regular squad and it’s one of my all time favorite models but I never got the chance to buy one.

**Drager**

Souleater wrote:
My converted Dark Eldar characters on bikes. I made an Archon, Succubus and Haemonculus all with suitably nodded bikes.

I was really disappointed when tbey were dropped a couple of codexes ago.

I think we've lost something nearly every release and not gained as much as we've lost. I think we may be the only codex with less stuff than we had on initial release.

**Delvarus Centurion**

the_scotsman wrote:
I am curious how many hours of building/painting models people have had invalidated by GW's "No Model No Rules" policy. This is a thread for reminiscing about your beloved conversions, older models, and the good times you had with them before the current rules policy.

Keep in mind that the topic of this thread is not the existence of the index, and that yes, people are generally aware of the (current) existence of the index, and the index chart. Also might be useful to point out that already, two of the indexes have been moved out of print: both indexes which have had all the factions contained within released in Codexes. Almost like they were never planning on keeping them around, and their plan was always to quietly take them out to the woodshed after people stopped making as much noise about old models being invalidated. Weird.

My Personal RIP list is below, suprisingly all of it from just one single codex:

-Big Mek with Kustom Mega Blasta and Choppa (metal GW model circa ~5th ed). My very first 40k model, purchased 17 years ago, painted and repainted no less than four times, and taken in many, many more games than his level of competitiveness warranted. I'll take him as long as the index is allowed, but I am also considering proxying him as Kaptin Badrukk for the games I play in independent shops (that kind of heresy being simply unacceptable in a Games Workshop)

-Big Mek with Kustom Force Field (Metal GW era, same vintage). Less sentimental, but also more frequently used in games.

-Painboy on Warbike (Metal 5th ed painboy sculpt chopped at the waist and fitted to a warbiker, with the included Grot Orderly in a little sidecar). Sadly, without the index there's really no proxy that makes sense for this guy, as he's very obviously a painboy and not, say, a biker nob. I spent a good amount of time on the conversion so I'll probably have to keep running him as a nob biker.

-Warboss on Warbike (kitbash of a nob and an old gorkamorka era wartrakk/scorcha kit). Ironically, if this guy had another ork boy modeled on him and he was just a little bit larger he'd make the perfect proxy for a Deffkilla Wartrike, since he's pretty much got the pose and the armament and his vehicle is a trike. He'll be my Zhardsnark as long as that model is allowed to have rules - so, probably until he gets bumped to 400 points or so in the next edition of the annual Forgeworld Purge.

-6 Big Gunz, various (metal 3rd ed? sculpts). They'll just be mek gun proxies, again at any store that will allow them.

-Battlewagon with 4x Rokkit Launchas, Kannon and Deffkannon. The second he would have been semi-viable with the new Gunwagon rules too. RIP in pepperonis.

-10x Tankbustas with double rokkit pistols. GW released the rules for dual rokkit pistols with the index, then made them 1 per 5 models after I enthusiastically went to town making a full squad of ten cowboy hat wielding rokkit gunslingers a year ago. Because if you don't field your models exactly how they're presented in the monopose finecast kit, you are a BAD BAD PERSON and how dare you.

-Kommando with burna, 2x kommandos with big shootas (GW metal sculpt from 5th ed). At least the burna kommando just looks like a burna boy.

GW can go and take an running jump, I'll play whatever models I want.

**catbarf**

The entire Lost and the Damned army I had back in 4th.

I'm still annoyed about that.

**SHUPPET**

Tomb Kings

**SemperMortis**

Ghaz wrote:
godardc wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:

-Kommando with burna, 2x kommandos with big shootas (GW metal sculpt from 5th ed). At least the burna kommando just looks like a burna boy.

The metal (or were they finecast ?) kommandos aren't in sale anymore ? They were pretty good sculpt, not showing their age at all ! I have always wanted to buy a boxe, especially the burna kommando

You mean THESE? They were only gone for about a month and were rereleased with 32mm bases the same week Codex Orks dropped.

I love GW Man, "Spend $45 on 5 models which in the game only account for 40pts." LMAO!!! Nah, i'll just kitbash a bunch of boyz with some capes and extra gubbinz and save myself LITERALLY $65 on 10 Kommandos

**Racerguy180**

My Squats

**Cephalobeard**

All of the Chaos Lords on Daemonic steeds.

And rough riders. I want to convert rough riders so bad but I feel like they're gonna be phased out, and as a result I can't do pretty of the hobby I want to do, because it'd be a waste.

**kastelen**

Onager dunecrawler with their melee weapon.

**Oggthrok**

Warboss in mega armor.

Back in the Third War for Armageddon there was a white dwarf battle report, with a mega armored boss conversion. It was a basic ghaz, with the head and jaw replaced with the banner pole top to the Black Orc standard bearer. It was glorious, and from that moment I knew I wanted that to be my Warboss.

I made him out of pewter, and he led my orks for over fifteen years, backed by a maxed out squad of Mega armored Nobz.

I guess I can always field him as a counts-as Ghaz, but I liked him being my own thing. I mean, he is the Oggthrok for which my forum name is based.

**nareik**

My lovingly crafted and recrafted, painted and repainted Gobsmasha!

**Dakka Wolf**

I’d say the Lucius Drop Pod but it has been rubbish since the start of 8th.
Looks like I may be farewelling my Chaplain Dread. Alas poor Hoth he killed some interesting stuff.

**ccs**

kaotkbliss wrote:
Do squats count? LOL

Yes.

**Excommunicatus**

I have two Heralds on Steeds and one on a Seeker Chariot that I can still use, but they have worse weaponry than Codex Heralds because reasons.

The rule of three is vastly more irritating, 'cause I built five Hellflayers.