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 Stormatious wrote:
He gets in from the toooooopppp jeeeeeeeezzz


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Or the sides open up a bit so he can slide back in


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Which they do dont they?

The same hatch is used on many vehicles, there generally are no side hatches to them to extend the opening. It just doesn't make sense sorry!

A big part of the problem is that the human form in 40k is skewed. They call it "heroic scale". What that basically means is people are much broader than real life, with bigger heads. Take a picture of a Guardsman model and scale it up to the same height as a real person side by side and you'll see what I mean!

This effects vehicles too. Because all the people are misproportioned it means either vehicles also would have to be weirdly proportioned to fit them, or they simply don't make sense relative to the infantry. If Guardsmen and Marines were proportioned properly, they'd have no problem at all fitting in a Chimera or Rhino.

 Stux wrote:


A big part of the problem is that the human form in 40k is skewed. They call it "heroic scale". What that basically means is people are much broader than real life, with bigger heads. Take a picture of a Guardsman model and scale it up to the same height as a real person side by side and you'll see what I mean!

This effects vehicles too. Because all the people are misproportioned it means either vehicles also would have to be weirdly proportioned to fit them, or they simply don't make sense relative to the infantry. If Guardsmen and Marines were proportioned properly, they'd have no problem at all fitting in a Chimera or Rhino.

Yes. This causes the impression that the vehicles are too small. But if you ignore the heroic scaling and just measure the height of the models, they're not.

Have you seen the scaling on reivers? They're all over the place. The drawn knives don't fit the scabbards and the pistols don't fit in the holsters. The grapnel launchers are about a third their usual size when holstered. It's a mess. The tanks are a different scale to the models anyway and the astartes sticking out the top hatches look almost comical.

I've yet to see a weapon in 40K that fits it's holster or scabbard that is not in said pistol of scabbard.

Big guns look cool in hand. They look daft when holstered.

Heroic scale is very good for GW, comparing their minis to Inifinity the Infinity models’ weapons seem very puny.


Everyone in the thread knows that the squad’s sergeant does sit in the rhinos command seat, right? He’s the commander of the unit.

pelicaniforce wrote:
Heroic scale is very good for GW, comparing their minis to Inifinity the Infinity models’ weapons seem very puny.


Everyone in the thread knows that the squad’s sergeant does sit in the rhinos command seat, right? He’s the commander of the unit.

I don't really have a problem with using heroic scaling. It looks cool, and that's more important to me than it making sense in a game like this!

10 modern Marines can fit in a Rhino - if they dieted. My RT minis fit fine.

 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

No.

That's not an argument.

Matora wrote:
Have you seen the scaling on reivers? They're all over the place. The drawn knives don't fit the scabbards and the pistols don't fit in the holsters. The grapnel launchers are about a third their usual size when holstered. It's a mess. The tanks are a different scale to the models anyway and the astartes sticking out the top hatches look almost comical.

Terminators are one of the biggest offenders!

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 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

No.

That's not an argument.

Neither is making up baseless nonsense. Technical specifications of the vehicles, including dimensions, appear in the Forgeworld books, and the pretty much match the model scale.

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 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

No.

That's not an argument.

I assume he disagrees with you and thinks vehicles are correct scale. Let me just say this, i dont know about other vehicles for other factions etc, but i do know that 10 marines can efficiently fit in to a rhino providing 2 or 3 sit up at the front as driver/codriver, just look birds eye view at a rhino and a space marine, take his shoulder pads away and his spread leg pose, and every thing will be fine.


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 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

No.

That's not an argument.

Neither is making up baseless nonsense. Technical specifications of the vehicles, including dimensions, appear in the Forgeworld books, and the pretty much match the model scale.

Yeah dude i personally am starting to feel every thing is scaled correctly. And that person who posted terminator piocture with guy inside of it, are you remembering that extra space is thicker armour???


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thats why hes a damn terminator not a little space marine


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lol

 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

No.

That's not an argument.

Neither is making up baseless nonsense. Technical specifications of the vehicles, including dimensions, appear in the Forgeworld books, and the pretty much match the model scale.

Then prey tell when the Spartan and Landraider are so similar in model size, how does the Spartan carry 25 to the raiders 10?

 Stux wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
He gets in from the toooooopppp jeeeeeeeezzz


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Or the sides open up a bit so he can slide back in


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Which they do dont they?

The same hatch is used on many vehicles, there generally are no side hatches to them to extend the opening. It just doesn't make sense sorry!

A big part of the problem is that the human form in 40k is skewed. They call it "heroic scale". What that basically means is people are much broader than real life, with bigger heads. Take a picture of a Guardsman model and scale it up to the same height as a real person side by side and you'll see what I mean!

This effects vehicles too. Because all the people are misproportioned it means either vehicles also would have to be weirdly proportioned to fit them, or they simply don't make sense relative to the infantry. If Guardsmen and Marines were proportioned properly, they'd have no problem at all fitting in a Chimera or Rhino.

What makes you think the heroic scale peoples vehicles are human scale :S.

 Stormatious wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
He gets in from the toooooopppp jeeeeeeeezzz


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Or the sides open up a bit so he can slide back in


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Which they do dont they?

The same hatch is used on many vehicles, there generally are no side hatches to them to extend the opening. It just doesn't make sense sorry!

A big part of the problem is that the human form in 40k is skewed. They call it "heroic scale". What that basically means is people are much broader than real life, with bigger heads. Take a picture of a Guardsman model and scale it up to the same height as a real person side by side and you'll see what I mean!

This effects vehicles too. Because all the people are misproportioned it means either vehicles also would have to be weirdly proportioned to fit them, or they simply don't make sense relative to the infantry. If Guardsmen and Marines were proportioned properly, they'd have no problem at all fitting in a Chimera or Rhino.

What makes you think the heroic scale peoples vehicles are human scale :S.

They aren't, but they also don't fit Heroic scale guys properly either. They're a weird Inbetween!

I dont know if your correct, but im gonna pretend you're wrong.


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Or assume lol


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We do know this, Models with the Person visibly attached to the vehicle the scale is correct. Then we can put that model next to other models of the faction and you can easily conclude scale is correct.


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I think... ijm not 100% sure

I disagree. Just because a person is attached to the vehicle doesn't mean they are scaled correctly. It could just as well mean ttheyve been sculpted with incorrect scale. Likely because accurate scaling is lower priority to the studio team than looking good.

So you dont think space marine bikes are scaled right?

 Stormatious wrote:
So you dont think space marine bikes are scaled right?

Define right? They are heroic scale so they aren't realistic. Relative scale between the vehicle and the guy? They aren't so bad compared to transports.

 Crimson wrote:
I have seen ten old metal marines modelled inside the old rhino. It seems incredible, but they did fit.

The old rhino kit actually had more space inside (due to not having a fully modelled interior to start with, but most importantly had significantly more headroom despite actually being smaller overall - and the guy that did that used landspeeder crew without backpacks, so it was slightly fudged.

 Stux wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
So you dont think space marine bikes are scaled right?

Define right? They are heroic scale so they aren't realistic. Relative scale between the vehicle and the guy? They aren't so bad compared to transports.

Obviously there not realistic as in human because they are "heroic" and not human :S if thats what you mean

For a motorbike, Marine bikes are ridiculously huge. As a Space Marine fashion statement, they fit the bill, though.

They're a different kettle of squig to the tanks, though, which are all undersized compared to the infantry. I would disagree with the calls for them to be twice as large (APCs generally aren't designed to be roomy) but it would have been nice if they had at least been large enough for marines to actually fit inside.

And no, slotting yourself into a hatch from the outside, with no way of actually getting yourself inside the tank from the waist up, is not really a viable thing. To avoid having to make tank hatches any larger, they would have been better off putting vehicle crew into something more akin to scout or reiver armour.

oh god, just change the number on the dang codex to 4 marines for each rhino, problem solved no model redesign needed


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Well has any one seen official gw art work reflecting a different scale compared to models?


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like a picture of 10 guys waving from inside the rhino lol

 Stormatious wrote:
oh god, just change the number on the dang codex to 4 marines for each rhino, problem solved no model redesign needed


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Well has any one seen official gw art work reflecting a different scale compared to models?


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like a picture of 10 guys waving from inside the rhino lol

There is a John Blanche of a Land Raider and that tank is freaking huge.

At the end of the day any one can argu weather its correct or not scale with lots of random reasons so what ever lol


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English is my first language btw

Nuts to butts, private.

 Luciferian wrote:
Nuts to butts, private.

Cant figure that out, some thing to do with how marines sit in rhino?? lol

It's what you're told by your NCOs when you're cramming into a transport vehicle that doesn't seem like it should be carrying the number of soldiers that it is.

so that solves this whole thing then.

Yep, get to know your buddies.

im human man, i dont hang with super human space marines, if i was id just sit on the roof honestly.