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You're taking me too literally, haha.

 Stormatious wrote:
so that solves this whole thing then.

I just think trying to find any consistent sense in all this is a futile cause. It's fantasy in space after all, just try not to think about it too much!

 Stormatious wrote:
oh god, just change the number on the dang codex to 4 marines for each rhino, problem solved no model redesign needed

Unless they're laying down in there, it doesn't actually fix it at all. Again, the space is physically too short for space marines.

They shouldn't be standing inside the APC. They should be sitting, and sitting very tightly. A space marine sitting down would have ample headroom, topknots and headdresses notwithstanding..

You can definitely fit 6 in two rows of 3 very comfortably with legroom, headroom, and elbow room.

You can almost certainly fit 3 rows of 3. The issue is the shoulder pads, which seem to prevent a whole 4th marine from fitting inside besides the others in each row.

You have to stand, or at least crouch, to get in and out.

hobojebus wrote:Vehicles have never been to scale, the land raider should be twice as big as it is, the Spartan should be four times the size.

it should be;

Rhino = should be M2 Bradley size but it's clearly M113.
Pred = should be M60, more like the M551(sizewise)
Repulsor = should be a slightly larger Stryker, more like M2
Baneblade/Fellblade/Astreaus = I would suspect the real size to be massive. There probably isn't a real world analog other than the Tortise or elephant. I've stood next to everything except the super heavies, and while I'm 2m tall I look small compared to all of them(except maybe the m113). I could imagine them to be much, much larger. So since marines are supposed to be approx 1ft taller than I am the scale doesnt even come close to making sense.

The interior space probably isn't as far off as you might think, though. When you've been inside a Bradley or Stryker with a full combat load on and the rest of your fire team beside you, marines fitting in a rhino doesn't seem quite as absurd (though obviously it's still out of scale overall).

Problem is less the internal volume, though its going to be tight however you look at it, more the size of the hatches, and thats all down to the "heroic" scale stuff already noted.

However the solution is simple, ten marines will obviously fit if you slice them thinly enough.

and with care, there will be some left over for boxing day

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
They shouldn't be standing inside the APC. They should be sitting, and sitting very tightly. A space marine sitting down would have ample headroom, topknots and headdresses notwithstanding..

Except, as I already pointed out, they don't. I've tried.

Racerguy180 wrote:

it should be;

Rhino = should be M2 Bradley size but it's clearly M113.
Pred = should be M60, more like the M551(sizewise)
Repulsor = should be a slightly larger Stryker, more like M2
Baneblade/Fellblade/Astreaus = I would suspect the real size to be massive. There probably isn't a real world analog other than the Tortise or elephant. I've stood next to everything except the super heavies, and while I'm 2m tall I look small compared to all of them(except maybe the m113). I could imagine them to be much, much larger. So since marines are supposed to be approx 1ft taller than I am the scale doesnt even come close to making sense.

M113:
Length: 4.86 metres
Width: 2.7 metres
Height: 2.5 metres

M2 Bradley:
Length: 6.55 metres
Width: 3.6 metres
Height: 3 metres

Forgeworld Dimensions for the Rhino (accurate to the model size.):
Length: 6.6 metres
Width: 4.5 metres
Height: 3.6 metres

Sorry, you're completely off. Rhino is quite a big bigger than M2 Bradley, Repulsor is about the size of Panzer VIII Maus.

... The blood ravens kindly remove the engines and fuels storage to make room for them.

Its not suppose to be necessarily like perfectly comfortable, so you can expect that they might have to have there heads and shoulder hunched down alittle bit. I dont know why you guys are comparing to real life tanks, these are not humans they made there own design own size for own reason.


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Space marines for all we know, prefer compact spaces.... we dont really know for sure


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UNless its written some where in gw

10 Space marines can fit in a Rhino if....
...the entrance is a blender. Liquified, I suspect they would all fit

Why do you have to be ridiculous ;P


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You know what, let me take a picture and show some proof.

Actauly it seems my calculations were off this whole time, looks like 19 marines can fit in pretty easy if you remove shoulder pads ....


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I put a circle around where his body is if you remove jet pack and shoulder pads


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so 10 marines can fit in EASY and dont even need to remove any thing off them selves.


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Case solved, every things accurate and perfect.


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I mean its not 100% accurate but still accurate enough

IOW, 19 marines can fit if you remove half their volume (and have nowhere to put it, so those marines are showing up to battle with no shoulder pads or backpacks) and put marines inside the tracks/engine/etc as if the Rhino is an infinitely-tall empty box covering its entire footprint. I'm not sure why you think this ridiculous argument is helping your case.

Extremely inaccurate I would say! First they need to be sitting, so they would probably be double the size when viewed from above. Second, where do all the mechanisms of the tank go? Engine especially. 10 without Pauldrons MAY be possible, but it will be extremely tight.

 Stormatious wrote:

I put a circle around where his body is if you remove jet pack and shoulder pads

They don't have jetpacks. They have backpacks that contain the power for their armour. If they remove their backpacks, how do they move?

And why on earth would they remove their shoulder pads?


And it still overlooks the fact that they don't have enough room vertically, as well as ignoring the actual interior detailing on the rhino kit. The passenger compartment doesn't fill the rhino's entire footprint.

no you're all wrong ill explain after eating food.


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19 was just more of an example, but using that number you can see 10 can fit easily with plenty of room to store backpacks + shoulder pads, and vertical room is not that important they would probly all be sitting, and 10 can sit and fit as you see in that picture.


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There shoulder pads can be attatched easily, why not remove them and put them underseats or some thing


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no big deal, they are inside a rhino after all they dont need em on


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AND did any one ever think that the turret gunner of a rhino will probably put his arms in the air to decrease the radius of his shoulder pads so he can slide back in?


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Not just slide it with his arms as they are currently positiioned

 Stormatious wrote:
you can see 10 can fit easily with plenty of room to store backpacks + shoulder pads

Only because you're ignoring things like the engine, tracks, etc, and acting like the Rhino's entire footprint is a hollow box that can hold marines.

and vertical room is not that important they would probly all be sitting

Then you can't use the standing footprint for a marine. Sitting means that their legs and arms are going to stick out more and take up more horizontal room.

There shoulder pads can be attatched easily, why not remove them and put them underseats or some thing

no big deal, they are inside a rhino after all they dont need em on

Because there's no room for them? Because you don't want to have to be putting armor pieces back on as you try to disembark in the middle of a battle? Because the backpacks contain the power supply for their armor and can't be removed without shutting it down?


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 Stormatious wrote:
AND did any one ever think that the turret gunner of a rhino will probably put his arms in the air to decrease the radius of his shoulder pads so he can slide back in?

Of course we thought about it, it just doesn't work. There is no pose that allows the gunner to be narrow enough to fit down that hole.

True i did forget about tracks etc, so ill have to re examine this. Now as for removing armour etc, i would assume the first marine gets inside and quickly detatches shoulder pads and then the next one follows etc, so there not all standin outside takin stuff off. Any way let me check this out again.


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thats perfect, and they could stand in a zip line so theres even more room.

 Stormatious wrote:
Why do you have to be ridiculous ;P


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You know what, let me take a picture and show some proof.

What i showed you proof.

It's kind of funny to see some may people going on about the rhino scale yet being perfectly ok with the leman Russ barrell being big enough for a guardsman to crawl down or pistols being well over a foot long.

This is not earth, or humans, why would there pistols have the be same as earths size?

 Stormatious wrote:
True i did forget about tracks etc, so ill have to re examine this. Now as for removing armour etc, i would assume the first marine gets inside and quickly detatches shoulder pads and then the next one follows etc, so there not all standin outside takin stuff off. Any way let me check this out again.


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thats perfect, and they could stand in a zip line so theres even more room.

Still not going to work. You forgot about the driver's compartment.

They're obviously built with warp technology similar to a TARDIS.

NO, the driver is there on the front right, and it works how does it not.

 Stormatious wrote:

thats perfect, and they could stand in a zip line so theres even more room.

They

Can

Not

Stand

Inside.



Seriously, how many times do I need to point this out? They do not fit.

Dude they don't stand straight up, they have there heads down a little bit, as i said its no luxury ride, honestly most apcs and stuff if you stand up straight ur head is usually pointed downwards slightly because the head room...


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Hows that hard to understand, i dont get it.

 Stormatious wrote:
What i showed you proof.

No, you showed that if you disregard vertical dimensions and chop off half of a marine's volume you can fit 10 pictures of marines in the footprint of a Rhino. Seriously, people have tried to do this with actual models and it does not work.