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no, i removed backpacks and shoulder pads, i said they will have to be hunched down a little bit, or mabey just there heads tilted downwards a little bit which is perfectly realistic, and they would stand more in a zip formation inside tank giving even more room, just think about it..and i put too much space between most of those guys if you look closely...

 Stormatious wrote:
This is not earth, or humans, why would there pistols have the be same as earths size?

I dunno, maybe because pistols that huge would be virtually impossible for a human to weild, draw or aim with any sort of speed or effectiveness.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
This is not earth, or humans, why would there pistols have the be same as earths size?

I dunno, maybe because pistols that huge would be virtually impossible for a human to weild, draw or aim with any sort of speed or effectiveness.

Thats why space marines are not human.


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They're super


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Bigger bodies, more strength etc

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
This is not earth, or humans, why would there pistols have the be same as earths size?

I dunno, maybe because pistols that huge would be virtually impossible for a human to weild, draw or aim with any sort of speed or effectiveness.

Nah man, its a space fantasy, there are space ships and stuff so human can definitely fire a 155mm pistol with no problems. /s

Itcs not just marines with huge pistols. Normal humans sometimes carry laughably sized pistols too. All this bitching about a rhino carrying 10 spess muhreens while therecs so many other scale issues in 40k...

The rhino can be an example for all, its fine.


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Either way this is just useless chatter, i provided visual evidence, and unless some one else can give me better evidence then...


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I am winning the debate.

 Stormatious wrote:
no, i removed backpacks and shoulder pads, i said they will have to be hunched down a little bit, or mabey just there heads tilted downwards a little bit which is perfectly realistic, and they would stand more in a zip formation inside tank giving even more room, just think about it..and i put too much space between most of those guys if you look closely...

Again, you need more than just a bit of a head tilt. They need to be crouched down significantly, which means taking up more horizontal space. And you can't remove the backpacks because then they can't move in their armor.

Fortunately we can end this speculation because FW makes a command Rhino with an interior and crew. Notice how much space just two marines take up, and how close their heads are to the ceiling even in a seated pose. You are not fitting 10 marines in that space in any reasonable manner.

god well my rhino doesn't have hat control center, it has seats in that area. Well do you think they should have scale reflect number of troops allowed in?

 Stormatious wrote:
god well my rhino doesn't have hat control center, it has seats in that area.

Yes, which gives more horizontal space. The point is the vertical space, even in a fully seated pose their heads are just barely below the ceiling. You can't just have the passengers duck their heads a bit and fit, they're going to be crawling into their seats and having to stay seated. And that means a much larger horizontal footprint per marine than your diagrams, on top of needing to find space for their backpacks and shoulder pads.

Well do you think they should have scale reflect number of troops allowed in?

No, because the model is not to scale and a 10-model transport capacity is required for gameplay reasons since that's the size of the squad they're meant to transport.

Then they can all kneel.


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Dude i don't know. I guess its better to imagine.

 Stormatious wrote:
Then they can all kneel.

Which means a larger horizontal footprint. Seriously, why are you so stubborn about this even when you've seen the pictures proving that it can't be done?

Or we all complain to gw


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 Peregrine wrote:

 Stormatious wrote:
Then they can all kneel.

Which means a larger horizontal footprint. Seriously, why are you so stubborn about this even when you've seen the pictures proving that it can't be done?

I cant share the image because its mine, but if you google search rhino 40k birds eye view, you will see a blue rhino with some guys inside of it ok, from there you can easily see they can fit. Now look, yes the room verticaly is tight, but you know that sort of kneeling position with one knee to the ground and one hand on the floor, sort of like a professional runners starting pose, but more relaxed.








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and thats perfectly fine, they obviously wanted to make rhinos as small as possible to reduce its battlefield footprint


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And for all we know they lay flat on top of each other, they prefer to have uncomfortable seating positions rather then having big ass target that can more easily get hit on battle field..


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Just compare for e.g a bike handle grip with an area of the rhino, and you can see from there scale is fine so you can make the calculations that every things fine.


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Or they can sit on floor with arms tightly around legs so they are keeping legs close to body and also reducing shoulder size due to there arms wrapping around there knees infront of them


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sort of like a is it called fetal position?


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WHICH MAKES SENCE, because that position will protect them better if the rhino gets hit.


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THERE Solved

 Stormatious wrote:
I cant share the image because its mine, but if you google search rhino 40k birds eye view, you will see a blue rhino with some guys inside of it ok

Of course you can share it. Please link this, since I don't see anything on google image search that in any way supports your claim.

Now look, yes the room verticaly is tight, but you know that sort of kneeling position with one knee to the ground and one hand on the floor, sort of like a professional runners starting pose, but more relaxed.

Again, this does not work. A kneeling runner's pose like that is saving vertical space, but makes the marine take up a lot more horizontal space. Your image of the 10 marines "fitting" requires them to be in straight up standing poses to minimize their horizontal footprint. Try that with a marine in a kneeling pose and then add in space for the backpack and shoulder pads and you'll find that you aren't getting 10 marines anymore.

they obviously wanted to make rhinos as small as possible to reduce its battlefield footprint

Or to save costs on the kit. Making it less than 28mm scale lets it fit onto a smaller sprue size (important when you have a standard sprue and box size already), and most people don't care enough about the scale difference to stop buying.

And for all we know they lay flat on top of each other, they prefer to have uncomfortable seating positions rather then having big ass target that can more easily get hit on battle field..

Yes, it is entirely plausible that space marines are stacked like corpses in the back of a Rhino. I suppose they have dedicated servitors (obviously carried in a second Rhino) to carry them out, since stacking like that would prevent normal movement? Do they politely ask everyone to stop shooting at them while they unload the cargo and reconnect the backpacks so the marines can start moving?

Omg just looking at your picture that makes so much sence, sort of like in real life when an airplane is going to crash and people have to take that sort of position, and remember most rhinos iv ever seen have seats where your control center is, which i asume can easily flip upwards.

You have got to be kidding. Seriously, marines stacked up in the fetal position? Can we lock this pointless thread yet?

FETAL POSTION!!!! LIKE WHEN AIRPLANE EMERGENCY AND YOUR GOING TO CRASH. MAKES SENCE IT PROTECTS THEM IN AN INVENT THE RHINO GETS HIT!!!, they keep there LEGS AND FEET CLOSE TO THERE BODY BECAUSE THERE BOTH ARMS ARE HOLDING IT IN, THEREFORE ALSO REDUCING SHOULDER SPACE.


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STACKED? who said stacked, there side by side


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Its not pointless you have not dis-proven me, my theory carries weight.


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some on sides some in middle all in tight little balls keeping them selves protected

there

Ok, I'm done with this, have your delusion. I've shown you the picture of why the models don't fit, other people have told you that making Rhino passengers has been tried in the past and 10 marines will not fit in the current Rhino kit, and now you're at the point of talking about hauling a bunch of marines curled up in the fetal position to maximize packing density. No amount of evidence is going to get you to accept reality, or accomplish anything besides letting you spam this thread and increase your post count.

Oh FFS, you even posted a picture of two marines taking up way more than 20% of the space in a Rhino, proving my point. Yeah, I'm done with this nonsense.

NOw imagine them sitting in tight balls on floor to protect them selves for the rough terrain and incase of damage.


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 Peregrine wrote:
Ok, I'm done with this, have your delusion. I've shown you the picture of why the models don't fit, other people have told you that making Rhino passengers has been tried in the past and 10 marines will not fit in the current Rhino kit, and now you're at the point of talking about hauling a bunch of marines curled up in the fetal position to maximize packing density. No amount of evidence is going to get you to accept reality, or accomplish anything besides letting you spam this thread and increase your post count.

Oh FFS, you even posted a picture of two marines taking up way more than 20% of the space in a Rhino, proving my point. Yeah, I'm done with this nonsense.

They would be sitting in tight balls...


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To protect them selves for the rough terrain and damage


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Fetal position, not stacked, sidebyside..

 Stormatious wrote:
NOw imagine them sitting in tight balls on floor...

Easy enough. It's what I suspect everyone reading this thread is doing by now.


Time to move on.