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I suspect this forum is going to be enriched for a population who do not particularly like social media, or we would be on facebook.

I hate it, it stresses me out and always has done, but that is just my own quirk. No judgement on people who get benefit from it, but fora are just more my speed.

 Polonius wrote:
The modern paradox: if you don't use social media, how to smugly tell people that you don't use social media?

By semaphore of course. A great way to lose weight too.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
The modern paradox: if you don't use social media, how to smugly tell people that you don't use social media?

Smoke signals?

Wargaming forums?

It's not that I want to be able to smugly proclaim that I don't use social media. I really want to use social media because there's lots of people within those sorts of places that I would like to communicate with that can't manage to do so using reasonable methods that are relatively private and decentralized like email. The problem is that everyone else that I don't want to communicate with use it, and there's more of them that I don't want to communicate with than there are that I do.




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Oh, but I don't even own a tv, btw.

 Ouze wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
The modern paradox: if you don't use social media, how to smugly tell people that you don't use social media?

Smoke signals?

Wargaming forums?

Only in the non-wargaming related sections, obviously

Forums like Dakka are social media as well. Anyone here is by default engaging in social media use.

That said, it's almost impossible not to engage in some form these days. I pretty much keep most of my FB existence to just using event organization features and chat rooms with pals, I never make public posts really, but FB often is the only way to interact with certain things (often specialist companies).

Twitter is my personal pet peeve however. Twitter is the internet equivalent of shouting at a street corner, and just as annoying for the passerby. For some things, like emergency alerts or information, bands announcing tomorrow nights gig, bars letting people know its happy hour, etc, that's fine, that's what I expect to be yelled from a street corner. If you're trying to make a political statement, argue policy, tell a story, have an actual conversation, etc, then get the everloving feth off Twitter and onto a real discussion platform because all you're doing on Twitter is yelling at another person on another internet street corner. I generally associate Twitter usage inversely with intelligence and personal value.

MessageBoards are to Social Media as Telegraphs are to Telephones.

Well you're all great for the intense feedback and discussion and really making me feel better knowing its not just me. I don't want to debate any thing as i said in OP i just wanted to see whats up since i dont really know.


Thank you all.

 Ouze wrote:


I do have a facebook account. Saying if you use facebook you are the product is a pretty groundbreaking idea but really, that's the nature of any given number of things and always has been, including any television program with advertisements - ie, all broadcast TV, ever, along with the radio.

The difference is that those medias don't have unfettered access to every single bit of information on their target market.

I bought a simple Doro phone to be WITHOUT features. No regrets.

No Twitter, no Facebook.

True, i have never owned a smart phone, i like the old ones with buttons, i hate the idea of gimmicky useless annoying touchscreens lol. Any way this is going off topic so lets not talk about phones any more please

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Ouze wrote:


I do have a facebook account. Saying if you use facebook you are the product is a pretty groundbreaking idea but really, that's the nature of any given number of things and always has been, including any television program with advertisements - ie, all broadcast TV, ever, along with the radio.

The difference is that those medias don't have unfettered access to every single bit of information on their target market.

Well, technically, Facebook has tons of information on people that aren't their target market, too . For example, I am sure they know who you are, where you shop, and so on and so forth whether you have a profile or not. This is more of a "Facebook" problem than one shared by all social media as a feature of social media. Twitter can't even seem to figure out what a hate tweet is on their own platform.

I use it for three things. One for quick messaging, and two to network with other developers and people to get projects started. Then third I use it for testing social media engagement for companies to see how it can create more revenue for the company.

 Easy E wrote:
MessageBoards are to Social Media as Telegraphs are to Telephones.

Very much this. The social media I'm aware of (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook) may allow users to be essentially anonymous but function around accumulating likes and shares. There is also no good method for back and forth dialogue between people. It's essentially just a post and reaction. Yes, people can discuss things in comment chains, but the functionality there is not designed for any meaningful level of discourse. You can also add in that of those three I mentioned, none are really moderated outside of the removal of hate speech and certain levels of restrictions on sexually explicit or violent content.

 Stormatious wrote:
True, i have never owned a smart phone, i like the old ones with buttons, i hate the idea of gimmicky useless annoying touchscreens lol. Any way this is going off topic so lets not talk about phones any more please

It is surprisingly relevant if you want to stay off social media.
Modern phones plug you in whether you want to or not.

No they don't.

You have to provide login credentials for each and every account. That's assuming the relevant app is even pre installed, if they're not then you're a further step removed.

I mean, you could even disable data and wifi if you wanted.

The only way a "modern" phone is logging one into social media is one's own lack of willpower.

I don't have twitter, Instagram, or snapchat. I do have a Facebook account, but am not that active on it. I use it to keep in touch with groups that are not geographically close.

I have a group of former High school associates that I only talk to once every 5 years when a reunion is coming.

I have a couple 40k related groups for hobby ideas or organizing games.

A couple groups about combat robotics.

other than that I have about 15 "friends" including family.

I suppose it all comes down to whether or not you run a business or company or have a social life. If you have one of those then i guess "thats just the way it is, things will never be the same, thats just the way it is ohh yeaaahhh" ( song lyrics sorry cant help it ). But still the fact remains that the future seems to be very overall less face to face communication, which is a discussion for another thread not this one.

 Polonius wrote:
The modern paradox: if you don't use social media, how to smugly tell people that you don't use social media?

You can call a blogger who will do stuff like "a lawyer dropped everything and became wood hermit by refusing technologies" "help him on this e-wallet to see new series"

 Freakazoitt wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
The modern paradox: if you don't use social media, how to smugly tell people that you don't use social media?

You can call a blogger who will do stuff like "a lawyer dropped everything and became wood hermit by refusing technologies" "help him on this e-wallet to see new series"

Don't really know what you mean but, are you saying in someway some one who refuses technology turns in to a hermit?. And also are you saying Social media is a technology?


Thank you, Storm.

Don't really know what you mean but, are you saying in someway some one who refuses technology turns in to a hermit?

There are many “enlightened” who wanted to show the world how they abandoned the world imposed on them, but at the same time they became just another media project.

And also are you saying Social media is a technology?

Why not?

 Azreal13 wrote:
No they don't.

You have to provide login credentials for each and every account. That's assuming the relevant app is even pre installed, if they're not then you're a further step removed.

Yes they do. Social media starts as a handy convenient feature, then it exploits the user.

 Azreal13 wrote:

I mean, you could even disable data and wifi if you wanted.

The only way a "modern" phone is logging one into social media is one's own lack of willpower.

But that is the problem, social media is addictive, and some social media, particularly Facebook is designed to draw you in. It was a stated design intention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/08/06/its-no-accident-that-facebook-is-so-addictive


The problem here is that the source of the draw is linked with a portable, normally always on tool. One that might even be mandated for work,

 Orlanth wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
No they don't.

You have to provide login credentials for each and every account. That's assuming the relevant app is even pre installed, if they're not then you're a further step removed.

Yes they do. Social media starts as a handy convenient feature, then it exploits the user.

 Azreal13 wrote:

I mean, you could even disable data and wifi if you wanted.

The only way a "modern" phone is logging one into social media is one's own lack of willpower.

But that is the problem, social media is addictive, and some social media, particularly Facebook is designed to draw you in. It was a stated design intention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/08/06/its-no-accident-that-facebook-is-so-addictive


The problem here is that the source of the draw is linked with a portable, normally always on tool. One that might even be mandated for work,

Why are you ignoring his points?

I have had smartphones since they came out, and not one yet I've owned came with Facebook preinstalled.

it may be different in the states, but here in the UK every smartphone I've had in the last 6 years has had facebook installed, and it encourages you to log in (to all social medias, twitter, insta etc, aswell as encouraging you to link them all together) as you go through the initial phone set up.

social media and phone companies have a vested mutual interest in promoting one another, as one fulfills the need for the other.

I think a big difference between social media and message boards is the main topic.
Dakka is about miniature games. That's the focus of the posts, and people who come here come to talk about it.
Social media is about the users. Facebook is about your everyday life (what you did today, the things you like etc.), Twitter is supposed to be about your opinions etc.
Message boards are about something, social media sites about someone.

Obviously in practice there is some overlap, but at its core that's the difference. You even see it in the way things are organised. On dakka, posts are divided according to their topic (40K, AoS, modelling etc.). On facebook posts are arranged by users: you see what you friends post, and facebook emphasizes posts from your closest relations above the others. It's not about the relevance of the content, but about the relevance of the other user with respect to you. That's why if you see a picture of some random dumb stuff, you'll "like" it/comment on it if it's from someone you like/want to interact with, but ignore it if it's from someone you're not close to.
I believe that's why many of us don't care for it: a lot of the content doesn't have value in itself, its value is only in the interactions that it can trigger. And if you don't consider typical facebook interactions ("like" button, replies like "omg soooo cute" etc.) worthwhile, then it feels like a waste of time. There is always that distant person you want to keep in touch with, and feel like saying a couple words on one of their posts once in a while helps maintain some interaction, but personally I don't think it's worth the overall time investment.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
it may be different in the states, but here in the UK every smartphone I've had in the last 6 years has had facebook installed, and it encourages you to log in (to all social medias, twitter, insta etc, aswell as encouraging you to link them all together) as you go through the initial phone set up.

social media and phone companies have a vested mutual interest in promoting one another, as one fulfills the need for the other.

It depends here. Many phones are bundled with crapware like Facebook, and more insidious is the fact that you can't remove a lot of it even if you try. Google's Nexus / Pixel lines don't, or at least didn't when I got my 6p. Typically that requires you to buy the phone upfront, but that's a good thing because that's what you should be doing. No one should be leasing a phone under contract. I pay about 55-60 USD a month for my cell service. For TWO people, and $10 of that is an insurance plan that covers accidental damage, even when it's your fault. Almost everyone else I know pays at least double that, and are stuck doing so for a few years.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
it may be different in the states, but here in the UK every smartphone I've had in the last 6 years has had facebook installed, and it encourages you to log in (to all social medias, twitter, insta etc, aswell as encouraging you to link them all together) as you go through the initial phone set up.

Really? I've never gotten a phone with Facebook (or Twitter or Instagram) pre-installed. The last three have been two iPhones and one Galaxy, all on the Three network.

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
it may be different in the states, but here in the UK every smartphone I've had in the last 6 years has had facebook installed, and it encourages you to log in (to all social medias, twitter, insta etc, aswell as encouraging you to link them all together) as you go through the initial phone set up.

Really? I've never gotten a phone with Facebook (or Twitter or Instagram) pre-installed. The last three have been two iPhones and one Galaxy, all on the Three network.

Seconding this. I got a new Samsung a couple of months back and it was totally clean. It was a pain actually getting everything installed.
Personally speaking I can't fault FB as if I didn't get it originally I would never have met my fiancé.

maybe its just my sonys then.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
maybe its just my sonys then.

Maybe. I wonder if there's a parent company relationship in there somewhere. Whether between manufacturer or maker.