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I am no expert here but think all of the idea's presented have interesting points.

I believe they are making a homing beacon, a final push from the Tyranid fleets still moving among the void between galaxies. So a big ol' Cell tower to phone home and let them know to come here first and once within the universe to spread out quickly and overwhelm everything. Having footholds on hundreds of planets will only speed along the consumption of biomass.

There has been several other hypothesis thrown out that the Tyranids are actually running from something else as well.... wouldn't that be grand... and kinda scary too.

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Spoiler:
 Andersp90 wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Tyranids have never been simplistic in their long term plans. It's at the individual gaunt level and at their war level where they are quite basic in terms of "nom nom".


What the hell are you talking about? They have come to nom nom nom. Thats it.



Also don't forget all the lore we have for them is basically Imperial reports of encounters. We've no idea what the Hive Mind really thinks or conceptualises or wants or even has any desire for.


Actually we do. From the devastation of baal.

"The hive mind did not know and did not care what its food called itself, but noted, in its alien way, the strangeness of this prey-cluster; an environment where the realities of the mind and form were intermingled. There was risk there, but good hunting in the dangerous shoals. The galaxy teemed with life, and the hive mind glutted itself on a staggering array of biological abundance.
From the human point of view, the tyrannic wars had raged for close to a half millennium. In that time, hundreds of Imperial worlds had been devoured. Several minor races had been consumed. Thousands of unknown planets outside the Imperium’s notice had been turned from living orbs to rocky spheres that would never bear life again."

"The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance."

Hunting, prey, feeding grounds.. etc.. they are predators and they are here to feed... There are more similar quotes in the book from the nids point of view.

Also:

"They take even the metal,’ said Erwin.
The Servile of the Watch looked up from his podium over the augur pits, where baseline humans less fortunate than he laboured in unbreakable communion with the ship, their eyes and ears removed and sensory cortexes plugged directly into the auspectoria’s cogitators.
‘They take minerals of every kind, my lord,’ said the servile. ‘I have compared spectrographic analysis of this world with records of how it was. It shows massive depletion of all main range elements. The devourer remakes the worlds it consumes. Although I notice a small inconsistency with the oldest records of tyrannic-stripped worlds.’
‘Small enough for me to ignore?’ asked Erwin. The Servile of the Watch was an earnest fellow, genuinely fascinated with his work. He had been known to bore his masters with unnecessary detail.
The servile pulled a neutral expression, making his slave tattoos shift across his face, a sense of motion exaggerated by the low light of the command deck. The Servile of the Watch was unusually expressive for one of his breed. ‘Whether it is relevant or not I shall leave to your deep percipience, my lord.’
Erwin grunted. ‘Edify me then.’
‘The older worlds show a larger loss of mass. The tyranids spent longer on each, digesting parts of the planetary crust. They do not remain so long as they once did. Once the biological components of the world have been devoured, they target only sources of refined metals, such as the Mechanicus station here, in preference to the source minerals.’
‘Then they are running scared, feeding, moving on before they can be interrupted,’ said Erwin. ‘Commander Dante has them afraid.’
Or, my lord, they are presented with a surfeit of food. They have nothing to fear. They have too much choice. The Imperium is a banquet to them. They have become fussy eaters"

#nomnomnom

As for Cults the idea that Tyranids can have a long term plan and use for them beyond just consuming them makes sense. Why invest resources and then waste them; clearly they are re-using the best of them to help spread their infection faster and more fully through Imperial worlds. Humanity is wide spread and makes an ideal target.


Yea, that is what I stated above.

 shinros wrote:

At the end of the day we will see if they push this plot forward, as you said it could be just infection but there could be more going on in the background.


They are probably send ahead to scout for the best deals on real estate.




except even those extacts you posted suggest the hive mind does in fact think beyond JUST consuming "And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance
."

emphisis mine.



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BrianDavion wrote:
Spoiler:
 Andersp90 wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Tyranids have never been simplistic in their long term plans. It's at the individual gaunt level and at their war level where they are quite basic in terms of "nom nom".


What the hell are you talking about? They have come to nom nom nom. Thats it.



Also don't forget all the lore we have for them is basically Imperial reports of encounters. We've no idea what the Hive Mind really thinks or conceptualises or wants or even has any desire for.


Actually we do. From the devastation of baal.

"The hive mind did not know and did not care what its food called itself, but noted, in its alien way, the strangeness of this prey-cluster; an environment where the realities of the mind and form were intermingled. There was risk there, but good hunting in the dangerous shoals. The galaxy teemed with life, and the hive mind glutted itself on a staggering array of biological abundance.
From the human point of view, the tyrannic wars had raged for close to a half millennium. In that time, hundreds of Imperial worlds had been devoured. Several minor races had been consumed. Thousands of unknown planets outside the Imperium’s notice had been turned from living orbs to rocky spheres that would never bear life again."

"The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance."

Hunting, prey, feeding grounds.. etc.. they are predators and they are here to feed... There are more similar quotes in the book from the nids point of view.

Also:

"They take even the metal,’ said Erwin.
The Servile of the Watch looked up from his podium over the augur pits, where baseline humans less fortunate than he laboured in unbreakable communion with the ship, their eyes and ears removed and sensory cortexes plugged directly into the auspectoria’s cogitators.
‘They take minerals of every kind, my lord,’ said the servile. ‘I have compared spectrographic analysis of this world with records of how it was. It shows massive depletion of all main range elements. The devourer remakes the worlds it consumes. Although I notice a small inconsistency with the oldest records of tyrannic-stripped worlds.’
‘Small enough for me to ignore?’ asked Erwin. The Servile of the Watch was an earnest fellow, genuinely fascinated with his work. He had been known to bore his masters with unnecessary detail.
The servile pulled a neutral expression, making his slave tattoos shift across his face, a sense of motion exaggerated by the low light of the command deck. The Servile of the Watch was unusually expressive for one of his breed. ‘Whether it is relevant or not I shall leave to your deep percipience, my lord.’
Erwin grunted. ‘Edify me then.’
‘The older worlds show a larger loss of mass. The tyranids spent longer on each, digesting parts of the planetary crust. They do not remain so long as they once did. Once the biological components of the world have been devoured, they target only sources of refined metals, such as the Mechanicus station here, in preference to the source minerals.’
‘Then they are running scared, feeding, moving on before they can be interrupted,’ said Erwin. ‘Commander Dante has them afraid.’
Or, my lord, they are presented with a surfeit of food. They have nothing to fear. They have too much choice. The Imperium is a banquet to them. They have become fussy eaters"

#nomnomnom

As for Cults the idea that Tyranids can have a long term plan and use for them beyond just consuming them makes sense. Why invest resources and then waste them; clearly they are re-using the best of them to help spread their infection faster and more fully through Imperial worlds. Humanity is wide spread and makes an ideal target.


Yea, that is what I stated above.

 shinros wrote:

At the end of the day we will see if they push this plot forward, as you said it could be just infection but there could be more going on in the background.


They are probably send ahead to scout for the best deals on real estate.




except even those extacts you posted suggest the hive mind does in fact think beyond JUST consuming "And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance
."

emphisis mine.




Huh...this seems like that hive mind desires to learn things from the blood angels after defeating and eating them. I mean we know it could do that with the nids but we have confirmation that it desires to learn from other beings as well. It seems that it places value in things that interests it. Whether it's in hatred or seeing something new. Perhaps this Conduit is the same? Hence why they are not being devoured? Same goes for the other GSC who reach the world? Maybe it saw something in the choir of the void and is using them and the planet for a weird experiment?

"The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.

The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance."
   
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And a crap one. Can you imagine?

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 shinros wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Spoiler:
 Andersp90 wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Tyranids have never been simplistic in their long term plans. It's at the individual gaunt level and at their war level where they are quite basic in terms of "nom nom".


What the hell are you talking about? They have come to nom nom nom. Thats it.



Also don't forget all the lore we have for them is basically Imperial reports of encounters. We've no idea what the Hive Mind really thinks or conceptualises or wants or even has any desire for.


Actually we do. From the devastation of baal.

"The hive mind did not know and did not care what its food called itself, but noted, in its alien way, the strangeness of this prey-cluster; an environment where the realities of the mind and form were intermingled. There was risk there, but good hunting in the dangerous shoals. The galaxy teemed with life, and the hive mind glutted itself on a staggering array of biological abundance.
From the human point of view, the tyrannic wars had raged for close to a half millennium. In that time, hundreds of Imperial worlds had been devoured. Several minor races had been consumed. Thousands of unknown planets outside the Imperium’s notice had been turned from living orbs to rocky spheres that would never bear life again."

"The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance."

Hunting, prey, feeding grounds.. etc.. they are predators and they are here to feed... There are more similar quotes in the book from the nids point of view.

Also:

"They take even the metal,’ said Erwin.
The Servile of the Watch looked up from his podium over the augur pits, where baseline humans less fortunate than he laboured in unbreakable communion with the ship, their eyes and ears removed and sensory cortexes plugged directly into the auspectoria’s cogitators.
‘They take minerals of every kind, my lord,’ said the servile. ‘I have compared spectrographic analysis of this world with records of how it was. It shows massive depletion of all main range elements. The devourer remakes the worlds it consumes. Although I notice a small inconsistency with the oldest records of tyrannic-stripped worlds.’
‘Small enough for me to ignore?’ asked Erwin. The Servile of the Watch was an earnest fellow, genuinely fascinated with his work. He had been known to bore his masters with unnecessary detail.
The servile pulled a neutral expression, making his slave tattoos shift across his face, a sense of motion exaggerated by the low light of the command deck. The Servile of the Watch was unusually expressive for one of his breed. ‘Whether it is relevant or not I shall leave to your deep percipience, my lord.’
Erwin grunted. ‘Edify me then.’
‘The older worlds show a larger loss of mass. The tyranids spent longer on each, digesting parts of the planetary crust. They do not remain so long as they once did. Once the biological components of the world have been devoured, they target only sources of refined metals, such as the Mechanicus station here, in preference to the source minerals.’
‘Then they are running scared, feeding, moving on before they can be interrupted,’ said Erwin. ‘Commander Dante has them afraid.’
Or, my lord, they are presented with a surfeit of food. They have nothing to fear. They have too much choice. The Imperium is a banquet to them. They have become fussy eaters"

#nomnomnom

As for Cults the idea that Tyranids can have a long term plan and use for them beyond just consuming them makes sense. Why invest resources and then waste them; clearly they are re-using the best of them to help spread their infection faster and more fully through Imperial worlds. Humanity is wide spread and makes an ideal target.


Yea, that is what I stated above.

 shinros wrote:

At the end of the day we will see if they push this plot forward, as you said it could be just infection but there could be more going on in the background.


They are probably send ahead to scout for the best deals on real estate.




except even those extacts you posted suggest the hive mind does in fact think beyond JUST consuming "And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance
."

emphisis mine.




Huh...this seems like that hive mind desires to learn things from the blood angels after defeating and eating them. I mean we know it could do that with the nids but we have confirmation that it desires to learn from other beings as well. It seems that it places value in things that interests it. Whether it's in hatred or seeing something new. Perhaps this Conduit is the same? Hence why they are not being devoured? Same goes for the other GSC who reach the world? Maybe it saw something in the choir of the void and is using them and the planet for a weird experiment?

"The hive mind looked out of its innumerable eyes towards the dull red star of Baal. It apprehended that this was the hive of the warriors that had hurt it so grievously, who had burned its feeding grounds and scattered its fleets. It hated the red prey, and it coveted them. Tasting their exotic genomes it had seen potential for new and terrible war beasts.
And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.

The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance."


Seems pretty clear to me from that passage that the Tyranids are intreasted in more then JUST nom noms. The Hive mind is capable of stratigic thinking, of spite, etc

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It seems like a clever addition as both a future narrative hook and a way to make GSC players not feel like they are just playing tomorrow's lunch.

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 shinros wrote:
A lot can change inbetween editions. For example Tiamet, the hive mind did not linger and build things until that hive fleet popped up. Now GW looks to be exploring why that is the case, now with the gsc and the conduit the hive mind is showing further abnormal behaviour.


I will try again.

The basic lore has not changed since 2nd edition. They are still aliens from another galaxy who have come to consume ours.

That they are building a beacon - or whatever is it - dosent change that fact.

BrianDavion wrote:

Except even those extacts you posted suggest the hive mind does in fact think beyond JUST consuming "And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance
."

emphisis mine.


I never said that the hive mind wasn't intelligent. It clearly is beyond any human alive.

"The sages of the Imperium thought the hive mind a non-sentient intelligence. They believed the actions of the myriad creatures in its swarms were performed instinctively, and that the sheer numbers of interactions between them gave rise to complex behaviour. At the very highest level these behaviours were remarkable, but only had the semblance of thought. Ultimately instinct drove the hive fleets, they said, not free will. Similar false intelligences had been witnessed so very many times in social animals across space, after all, from the ants of ancient Earth to the thought-trees of Demarea. The hive mind’s actions could be ascribed to sentient consideration, but the sages insisted they were nothing of the sort.
The biologans held the hive mind to be only a complicated animal, a supreme predator driven by a devastatingly powerful reactive mind, nevertheless devoid of soul. It was an automaton, they said. Unfeeling.
It was as unaware of what it did as the wind is unaware of the cliff whose face it scours away, grain by grain. The hive mind was biological mechanics writ large. Mind from mindlessness.
The Imperial scholars were wrong. The hive mind knew. The hive mind thought, it felt, it hated and it desired. Its emotions were unutterably alien, cocktails of feeling not even the subtle aeldari might decipher. Its emotions were oceans to the puddles of a man’s feelings. They were inconceivable to humanity, for they were too big to perceive"

And the last bit is why you should take the word "vengeance" with a grain of salt.

 shinros wrote:

Huh...this seems like that hive mind desires to learn things from the blood angels after defeating and eating them. I mean we know it could do that with the nids but we have confirmation that it desires to learn from other beings as well. It seems that it places value in things that interests it. Whether it's in hatred or seeing something new. Perhaps this Conduit is the same? Hence why they are not being devoured? Same goes for the other GSC who reach the world? Maybe it saw something in the choir of the void and is using them and the planet for a weird experiment?


It simply means that it wants their genetic info to create new organisms to help their war effert.

BrianDavion wrote:

Seems pretty clear to me from that passage that the Tyranids are intreasted in more then JUST nom noms. The Hive mind is capable of stratigic thinking, of spite, etc


The hive mind outwitted both the BA and the smurfs. Its incredible intelligent.

But it's only desire is to consume.

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The Tyranids have always been smarter then anyone gave them credit for. They nom purely to acquire resources. Each planet devoured is 100% gains and no losses. The Imperium and other races assume different have fleets are distinct entities. They are not. All are one hive mind. They assume the nids are eating to sate a hunger or propagate. They are not.

The actual end goal of the hive mind is lovecraftian style unknowable. They are not mindless. They are just so far from anything we are that it's not relatable.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.

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 Lance845 wrote:

The actual end goal of the hive mind is lovecraftian style unknowable.


I dont understand why you think there is some kind of end goal.

Why do tigers hunt? To stay alive. Just like the tyranids..

They are simply a force of nature.

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 Andersp90 wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:

The actual end goal of the hive mind is lovecraftian style unknowable.


I dont understand why you think there is some kind of end goal.

Why do tigers hunt? To stay alive. Just like the tyranids..

They are simply a force of nature.


Except the Tyranids don't need to hunt to stay alive.

They are capable of surviving the vast emptiness between galaxies in hibernation. Food is not a concern for them. Most tyranid organisms don't even have a digestive tract. And the ones that do are simply helping to turn things into gruel to be sucked up into the hive ships to be turned into more organisms to throw down onto a planet.

YOU, like the Imperium and Eldar and everyone else, are trying to explain the Tyranids by the closest parallel you have. An animal hunts to survive. A animal lives to propagate. The tyranids clearly don't NEED to do any of those things. Your closest parallel doesn't actually match up at all.

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Maybe they're inexplicably alien?

   
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 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyranids have always been smarter then anyone gave them credit for. They nom purely to acquire resources. Each planet devoured is 100% gains and no losses. The Imperium and other races assume different have fleets are distinct entities. They are not. All are one hive mind. They assume the nids are eating to sate a hunger or propagate. They are not.

The actual end goal of the hive mind is lovecraftian style unknowable. They are not mindless. They are just so far from anything we are that it's not relatable.


See this is what I am starting to think as well


[
Spoiler:
quote]
 Andersp90 wrote:
 shinros wrote:
A lot can change inbetween editions. For example Tiamet, the hive mind did not linger and build things until that hive fleet popped up. Now GW looks to be exploring why that is the case, now with the gsc and the conduit the hive mind is showing further abnormal behaviour.


I will try again.

The basic lore has not changed since 2nd edition. They are still aliens from another galaxy who have come to consume ours.

That they are building a beacon - or whatever is it - dosent change that fact.

BrianDavion wrote:

Except even those extacts you posted suggest the hive mind does in fact think beyond JUST consuming "And so it drew its plans, and it set in motion its trillion trillion bodies towards the consumption of the creatures in red metal, so that their secrets might be plundered, and reemployed in the sating of the hive mind’s endless hunger. This was deliberate, considered, and done in malice.
The hive mind was aware, and it desired vengeance
."

emphisis mine.


I never said that the hive mind wasn't intelligent. It clearly is beyond any human alive.

"The sages of the Imperium thought the hive mind a non-sentient intelligence. They believed the actions of the myriad creatures in its swarms were performed instinctively, and that the sheer numbers of interactions between them gave rise to complex behaviour. At the very highest level these behaviours were remarkable, but only had the semblance of thought. Ultimately instinct drove the hive fleets, they said, not free will. Similar false intelligences had been witnessed so very many times in social animals across space, after all, from the ants of ancient Earth to the thought-trees of Demarea. The hive mind’s actions could be ascribed to sentient consideration, but the sages insisted they were nothing of the sort.
The biologans held the hive mind to be only a complicated animal, a supreme predator driven by a devastatingly powerful reactive mind, nevertheless devoid of soul. It was an automaton, they said. Unfeeling.
It was as unaware of what it did as the wind is unaware of the cliff whose face it scours away, grain by grain. The hive mind was biological mechanics writ large. Mind from mindlessness.
The Imperial scholars were wrong. The hive mind knew. The hive mind thought, it felt, it hated and it desired. Its emotions were unutterably alien, cocktails of feeling not even the subtle aeldari might decipher. Its emotions were oceans to the puddles of a man’s feelings. They were inconceivable to humanity, for they were too big to perceive"


And the last bit is why you should take the word "vengeance" with a grain of salt.

 shinros wrote:

Huh...this seems like that hive mind desires to learn things from the blood angels after defeating and eating them. I mean we know it could do that with the nids but we have confirmation that it desires to learn from other beings as well. It seems that it places value in things that interests it. Whether it's in hatred or seeing something new. Perhaps this Conduit is the same? Hence why they are not being devoured? Same goes for the other GSC who reach the world? Maybe it saw something in the choir of the void and is using them and the planet for a weird experiment?


It simply means that it wants their genetic info to create new organisms to help their war effert.

BrianDavion wrote:

Seems pretty clear to me from that passage that the Tyranids are intreasted in more then JUST nom noms. The Hive mind is capable of stratigic thinking, of spite, etc


The hive mind outwitted both the BA and the smurfs. Its incredible intelligent.

But it's only desire is to consume.



The hive mind was biological mechanics writ large. Mind from mindlessness.
The Imperial scholars were wrong. The hive mind knew. The hive mind thought, it felt, it hated and it desired. Its emotions were unutterably alien, cocktails of feeling not even the subtle aeldari might decipher. Its emotions were oceans to the puddles of a man’s feelings. They were inconceivable to humanity, for they were too big to perceive


But In my opinion your quotation is more evidence that it can think beyond just eating, actually that whole section states we have no idea what the hive mind truly wants. So if it's desire was to only consume, it has free meals coming towards it constantly, Tiamet needs biomass for whatever they are building according to the codexes. In all instances of the hive mind encountering the GSC it eats them. The hive mind never calls to a human, it just uses the patriarch as beacon this is further abnormal behaviour in my opinion. The hive mind uses GSC to weaken worlds and eats them, thats it. But now we have this story where the hive mind is CALLING gsc to a world, making them bond with it and then allowing them to leave and send missionaries talking about the creed of Tiamet.

Actually so far this choir of the void are the only ones not to be nomed by their star gods. The GSC natural instinct is the spread among the worlds, not follow a prophet to "paradise".

Looking at the definition of Conduit which is the name of the prophet, GW are being pretty hamfisted in my opinion.


A channel for conveying water or other fluid.

‘nearby springs supplied the conduit which ran into the brewery’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A person or organization that acts as a channel for the transmission of something.
‘as an actor you have to be a conduit for other people's words’
More example sentences
2A tube or trough for protecting electric wiring.

‘the gas pipe should not be close to any electrical conduit’
mass noun ‘the cable must be protected by conduit’


They are probably send ahead to scout for the best deals on real estate.


I don't think they are scouts or being sent to soften worlds, they are most likely using humanity's psy potential to call to the true tyranid threat beyond the galaxy. The new GSC codex makes note that since the great scar more and more people are discovering their psy potential to the point the black ships are being taxed. The more people that come to that world and bond with it perhaps the bigger the psychic resonance becomes. The disagreement many have with you is that perhaps the true goal of the hive mind is not consumption, considering it's vast intelligence through the extracts you provided. Now we could be entirely wrong but I wouldn't put it past GW to change tyranids in light of the Necrons. Before Necrons were just machines that sought to kill all life, but then they turned them in space undead, with thoughts and wills.

Most information on the nids are imperial recounts, plus GW have stated in LVO that they are changing the setting somewhat, what that will entail I don't know.


Now this is just my personal opinion but Tyranids are pathetic at the moment, you can't sell a threat like them if they lose almost every major engagement they are involved in. Reading their codex is depressing. Let's not forget in devastation of Baal, Dante facing down a swarmlord and winning, seriously? The best bioform of the nid fleet losing to an astartes? Narrative wise where can you take such a faction? Hence why I believe they changed Necrons, now is this the start of making the nids something differently entirely? Who knows, anyway this is just a speculation/theory thread after all.



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 Nurglitch wrote:
Maybe they're inexplicably alien?


Which is what I said. Lovecraftian style unknowable. So far removed from anything we know that we cannot comprehend it.

It helps that the tyranids are the only extra galactic entity in 40k thus far. Everything else is from our home systems. Even the warp entities are born from our understandable emotions. Not the Tyranids though.


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There's lots of things it could be.

Tiamet could even be a giant multi-planetary psychic mind control machine once completed - the galaxy would be much easier to eat if all the humans put their guns down and scaling up the control mechanisms of the GC seems to be something the Hive Fleets might attempt as an evolution of their existing attempts.
   
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 The Phazer wrote:
There's lots of things it could be.

Tiamet could even be a giant multi-planetary psychic mind control machine once completed - the galaxy would be much easier to eat if all the humans put their guns down and scaling up the control mechanisms of the GC seems to be something the Hive Fleets might attempt as an evolution of their existing attempts.


Wow that would be scary if that was what the hive mind was aiming for.


 Lance845 wrote:
 Nurglitch wrote:
Maybe they're inexplicably alien?


Which is what I said. Lovecraftian style unknowable. So far removed from anything we know that we cannot comprehend it.

It helps that the tyranids are the only extra galactic entity in 40k thus far. Everything else is from our home systems. Even the warp entities are born from our understandable emotions. Not the Tyranids though.


Hmm, that is a good point Tyranids are the only question mark faction so far in the setting.

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Maybe the Tyranids fear that the Emperor might be killed or disabled by the more recent chaos activities. Therefore in order to continue they are building their own vast beacon. Whilst it might have a side effect of other races using it for Warp Travel navigation; it could also keep calling more swarms from the void outside of the Galaxy.

The Emperor could fall but the Tyrainds would have a new flame to draw them too.



Another angle is that we've always assumed the Tyranids "want" to be drawn to the Emperor. Perhaps instead they don't want that; that the Emperor is causing some kind of divide within the Swarm that weakens it by drawing Hive ships toward him. Drawing them away from a concentrated central force; pulling at the threads the Hive is trying to form. So they build their own beacon; their own vast beacon, to counter that element.

There are so many possibilities

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The Tyranids are not here because of the Emperor.

Our galaxy got the Tyranids attention when, during the Horus Heresy, someone activates the pharos devise and overloaded it.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pharos_(Device)

It's a piece of technology more powerful then the astronomicon and doesn't require the Big E to function. The Emperor is just another thing to eat.

Also the Tyranids don't use warp travel. Their FTL allows them to anchor to gravity sources and fall through space time. It only works outside of a system. They use conventional propulsion within a system,
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And again, there are no "more swarms". Hive fleets are a construct of mankind to give shape and form to a thing they do not understand. There is only one hive mind. All tyranids are extensions of one entity. Nothing is needed to guide anything here. The hive mind is here so all portions of it are already aware.

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 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyranids are not here because of the Emperor.

Our galaxy got the Tyranids attention when, during the Horus Heresy, someone activates the pharos devise and overloaded it.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pharos_(Device)

It's a piece of technology more powerful then the astronomicon and doesn't require the Big E to function. The Emperor is just another thing to eat.

Also the Tyranids don't use warp travel. Their FTL allows them to anchor to gravity sources and fall through space time. It only works outside of a system. They use conventional propulsion within a system,


Yup all of this is right on the money, hence why it takes awhile for them to get anywhere. But it's amusing whenever they use their gravity jump it messes up the planets around them.
   
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Except the Tyranids don't need to hunt to stay alive.


Tyranids are not magic. They still need to eat to stay alive. Just like you and I.

"At night it sprinted tirelessly across the desert, sustained by bladders of super-nutritious fluid contained within its body. The roar of the hive mind was growing stronger by the day, but the lictor was not aware of the mind. It had no sentience. Instead, the mind became aware of the lictor, much in the way a man becomes aware of his limbs only when he thinks of using them.
On it pounded through the nights as the prey creatures’ clumsily engineered warrior caste gathered around the world. As Mephiston dreamed, it loped across the Waste of Enod. As Dante drew up his plans, it crossed the Bloodwise Mounts, bounding tirelessly from crag to crag, its hooves punching sharp holes in the pristine snows of the summits. Where it could, it fed upon Baal’s sparse life to supplement its nutrient fluids, but it did not tire."


YOU, like the Imperium and Eldar and everyone else, are trying to explain the Tyranids by the closest parallel you have. An animal hunts to survive. A animal lives to propagate. The tyranids clearly don't NEED to do any of those things. Your closest parallel doesn't actually match up at all.


Actually, I am just keeping to the lore we have available...

You are ofc fully in your right to dream up more fanfic.

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The "true face" of the Hive Mind has always been implied to be just even more Nids, afaik. It would be a great reason to release models for new strains of Nid though.


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An animal hunts to survive. A animal lives to propagate. The tyranids clearly don't NEED to do any of those things.
This is an oversimplification of biology; animals do obtain food to survive but when presented with an excess of food they do not suddenly decide to stop eating & reproducing. Rats do not NEED to breed into the millions to survive, but they do it anyways because they are programmed to feth and eat our garbage.

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 Andersp90 wrote:
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Except the Tyranids don't need to hunt to stay alive.


Tyranids are not magic. They still need to eat to stay alive. Just like you and I.

"At night it sprinted tirelessly across the desert, sustained by bladders of super-nutritious fluid contained within its body. The roar of the hive mind was growing stronger by the day, but the lictor was not aware of the mind. It had no sentience. Instead, the mind became aware of the lictor, much in the way a man becomes aware of his limbs only when he thinks of using them.
On it pounded through the nights as the prey creatures’ clumsily engineered warrior caste gathered around the world. As Mephiston dreamed, it loped across the Waste of Enod. As Dante drew up his plans, it crossed the Bloodwise Mounts, bounding tirelessly from crag to crag, its hooves punching sharp holes in the pristine snows of the summits. Where it could, it fed upon Baal’s sparse life to supplement its nutrient fluids, but it did not tire."


YOU, like the Imperium and Eldar and everyone else, are trying to explain the Tyranids by the closest parallel you have. An animal hunts to survive. A animal lives to propagate. The tyranids clearly don't NEED to do any of those things. Your closest parallel doesn't actually match up at all.


Actually, I am just keeping to the lore we have available...

You are ofc fully in your right to dream up more fanfic.


Yeah, you get that from one of the novels? You have ANY idea how inconsistent the novels are? Down to weapons that fire energy being slug throwers in one guys book because there is no consistency.

The books are officially published fan fics.


But even with that, the lictor and all tyranids on a planet are not breed to survive. They are bred to do a job and then get reabsorbed with the feeder organisms in the digestion pools. Some guy coming up with a reason for why the nids have the energy to function for more than 24 hours is just that. A reason it lasts for its very short existance before going into the gruel. Again, nids are not built to last. They are not an organism like a tiger. They are a limb for the hive mind to use.


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To add to the discussion I am going to post the whole timeline extract of what Tiamet is possibly doing.

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Tyranids 8th edition

A nightmare unearthed

Far out on the northern edge of the galaxy lies the Tiamet System. This unremarkable region is home to one of the Hive Mind's most disturbing secrets, the truth of which is only now beginning to emerge...

Call to the Void

"Upon the world of Heinrich's March, worshippers of the Dark gods work their tortured slaves to death as they attempt to erect a monolithic ziggurat in honour of their foul patrons. A new and hidden cult propagates admist the persecuted masses: the Choir of the Void. it's leader, the blind prophet known as the Conduit, preaches that a savior race from beyond the stars awaits them in a far-off place, a paradise planet where they will find salvation. In a great uprising, millions of slaves overwhelm their masters and commander several dozen cargo hulks. The armada of the faithful makes for the nearby Tiamet System, guided by the visions of the Conduit."

Ominous Reports

More and more reports of missing ships and lost fleets drift in to Watch Fortress Haltmoat. The common denominator in each of these cases is that the vessels were last reported in the vicinity of the Tiamet System, far from safe haven. Watch Commander Vilnus orders an immediate survey of the area.

Dread Discovery

Kill team Gjynheim departs from Haltmoat to investigate the reports of missing trade fleets near the Tiamet system. (Lexicanum notes Tiamet are gathering ships for some reason.) The Deathwatch drift in-system unnoticed, and land upon Ziaphoria. There, they discover the xenos super-structure that covers the planet's largest continent. When the vast device pulses, sending a tsunami of psychic energy rolling across the planet, the Kill Team's Librarian suffers a catastrophic cranial rupture.

His screams alert nearby Tyranids, and soon the remaining battle-brothers are surrounded by swarming xenos. Before he and his remaining battle-brothers are torn apart, Watch Sergeant Gjunheim manages to send one final vox transmission to the team's orbiting Corvus Blackstar, warning of the nightmare his men have uncovered.

The Butcher of Octarius

Haltmoat receives an unexpected guest - the exiled Inquisitor Kryptman. Watch Commander Vilnus agrees to an audience with the outcast, who has his own grim theories regarding the mysterious Hive Fleet Tiamet. Together, the two begin to formulate a plan that will see whatever the Tyranids are creating utterly obliterated.


Genestealer Cults 8th edition(The choir of the void was not mentioned at all in 7th)


Tiamet Rising

"Ziaphoria, the repugnant and anomalous jungle planet claimed by Hive Fleet Tiamet, becomes a site of a disturbing new development in the curse of tyrannoforming, the hyper-accelerated biological process that overcomes the prey worlds of the Hive Mind. There the conquering hive fleets have constructed vast psychic resonators of fleshy, encephalitic material - some of the size of mountains, some large enough to cover entire continents.

The world forms the end point of a vast pilgrimage of genestealer cultists from the nearby Heinrich's march. Led by a blind prophet known as the Conduit, they depart from a world plagued by the Dark Gods, plying the stars to eventually land upon Ziaphoria's pulsating crust. Those who touch the corrupted earth with their bare flesh are instantly bought in thrall to it - and convince their brethren to go back into space as missionaries, carrying the Creed of Tiamet to as many imperial worlds as possible. They are first of dozens of interstellar pilgrimages that seek out Ziaphoria, and in doing so, add to its power. The Tyranids of Hive Fleet Tiamet defend the planet so ferociously it is declared Quaratine Extremis and abandoned entirely by the Imperium.

Only the Deathwatch of nearby Haltmoat and Inquisitor Kryptman, who comes out of exile to join them - have any inkling of the threat posed by the immense psychic resonator of Tiamet. The theories they discuss long into the night are so wild, and the other threats facing the Imperium so dire, that they are given little credence by the wider Inquisition."

So there are theories this could be a beacon or an anti-warp weapon. Since it causes Eldar and psykers to explode due to the psychic shockwaves that pulse across the world. I assume the Conduit is a Magus, he seems to be fine and those GSC who journey to the world.

Now since the prophets name is conduit I will bring up the defination again.


A channel for conveying water or other fluid.

‘nearby springs supplied the conduit which ran into the brewery’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 A person or organization that acts as a channel for the transmission of something.
‘as an actor you have to be a conduit for other people's words’
More example sentences
2A tube or trough for protecting electric wiring.

‘the gas pipe should not be close to any electrical conduit’
mass noun ‘the cable must be protected by conduit’

So perhaps the hive mind is using them to help guide the fleet to the galaxy or perhaps the hive mind wishes to channel itself through the conduit? Plus the extract notes that the pilgrims are the first among many.

Oh yeah and I forgot to mention a Cult found the corpse of one-eye, they are worshipping it now next to their Patriarch.




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 Lance845 wrote:
 Andersp90 wrote:
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 Lance845 wrote:

Except the Tyranids don't need to hunt to stay alive.


Tyranids are not magic. They still need to eat to stay alive. Just like you and I.

"At night it sprinted tirelessly across the desert, sustained by bladders of super-nutritious fluid contained within its body. The roar of the hive mind was growing stronger by the day, but the lictor was not aware of the mind. It had no sentience. Instead, the mind became aware of the lictor, much in the way a man becomes aware of his limbs only when he thinks of using them.
On it pounded through the nights as the prey creatures’ clumsily engineered warrior caste gathered around the world. As Mephiston dreamed, it loped across the Waste of Enod. As Dante drew up his plans, it crossed the Bloodwise Mounts, bounding tirelessly from crag to crag, its hooves punching sharp holes in the pristine snows of the summits. Where it could, it fed upon Baal’s sparse life to supplement its nutrient fluids, but it did not tire."


YOU, like the Imperium and Eldar and everyone else, are trying to explain the Tyranids by the closest parallel you have. An animal hunts to survive. A animal lives to propagate. The tyranids clearly don't NEED to do any of those things. Your closest parallel doesn't actually match up at all.


Actually, I am just keeping to the lore we have available...

You are ofc fully in your right to dream up more fanfic.


Yeah, you get that from one of the novels? You have ANY idea how inconsistent the novels are? Down to weapons that fire energy being slug throwers in one guys book because there is no consistency.

The books are officially published fan fics.


But even with that, the lictor and all tyranids on a planet are not breed to survive. They are bred to do a job and then get reabsorbed with the feeder organisms in the digestion pools. Some guy coming up with a reason for why the nids have the energy to function for more than 24 hours is just that. A reason it lasts for its very short existance before going into the gruel. Again, nids are not built to last. They are not an organism like a tiger. They are a limb for the hive mind to use.


Pretty much, ADB has came out and said not to take BL novels as truth when people were running with theories of who is the next primarch to be released due to lords of silence since mortarion referenced the Lion and I think Khan.

He then went on to say that if GW decides to change Abbadon(which they can) he may not even write black legion books anymore. I mean look at Ciphas Cain, he deals with GSC but they are entirely different now since they got updated in 7th. Look at the deathwatch books, they got information "wrong" since it was released before the update as well.

What we should be looking at is the codex's(recent ones), if we follow a black library book eldar GSC souls join the broodmind when they die. So does that mean that's the case with human GSC? I doubt it since the codex makes no reference to this, that whole bit was Gav Thorpe spicing up the story. He is a freelancer, he doesn't decide the lore. Josh Reynolds even got in trouble for calling the Grand Theogonist a woman since GW hasn't properly decided where to take that story thread yet. He even went on to say he doesn't decide AOS lore bits either, he said GW can turn around and change it in their main lore books.

Tie in novels, that go with products are actually more accurate since the editors want the writers to be on point. At the end of the day BL novels are inconsistent, the writers themselves have stated this considering how GW updates their lore.

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 Lance845 wrote:
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Except the Tyranids don't need to hunt to stay alive.


Tyranids are not magic. They still need to eat to stay alive. Just like you and I.

"At night it sprinted tirelessly across the desert, sustained by bladders of super-nutritious fluid contained within its body. The roar of the hive mind was growing stronger by the day, but the lictor was not aware of the mind. It had no sentience. Instead, the mind became aware of the lictor, much in the way a man becomes aware of his limbs only when he thinks of using them.
On it pounded through the nights as the prey creatures’ clumsily engineered warrior caste gathered around the world. As Mephiston dreamed, it loped across the Waste of Enod. As Dante drew up his plans, it crossed the Bloodwise Mounts, bounding tirelessly from crag to crag, its hooves punching sharp holes in the pristine snows of the summits. Where it could, it fed upon Baal’s sparse life to supplement its nutrient fluids, but it did not tire."


YOU, like the Imperium and Eldar and everyone else, are trying to explain the Tyranids by the closest parallel you have. An animal hunts to survive. A animal lives to propagate. The tyranids clearly don't NEED to do any of those things. Your closest parallel doesn't actually match up at all.


Actually, I am just keeping to the lore we have available...

You are ofc fully in your right to dream up more fanfic.


Yeah, you get that from one of the novels? You have ANY idea how inconsistent the novels are?


Will the 5th and 8th edition codex do then?

5th edition.



8th edition.

"Perhaps the Tyranids have already consumed everything of worth in their home galaxy and must find new feeding grounds or starve."

Do you have a quote stating that they do not need to food/energy to stay alive?

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Did you notice that both statements are basically questions without answers?

They are not final statements of fact. They are humanity looking at what happened and trying to rationalize it.

The Tryanid codexs are unique in that they are the only codexes not written from the point of view of their faction. All nid books are written from the point of view of humanity trying to figure out what the feths happening.

They look at the distances the nids must have traveled and they say "that MUST have required so much energy. They MUST have devoured an entire galaxy to do it." But they dont KNOW any of that.


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 shinros wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyranids are not here because of the Emperor.

Our galaxy got the Tyranids attention when, during the Horus Heresy, someone activates the pharos devise and overloaded it.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pharos_(Device)

It's a piece of technology more powerful then the astronomicon and doesn't require the Big E to function. The Emperor is just another thing to eat.

Also the Tyranids don't use warp travel. Their FTL allows them to anchor to gravity sources and fall through space time. It only works outside of a system. They use conventional propulsion within a system,


Yup all of this is right on the money, hence why it takes awhile for them to get anywhere. But it's amusing whenever they use their gravity jump it messes up the planets around them.

The Emperor still serves as a beacon marking out the centre of the Imperium and last I checked they do head towards it.

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I just want to raise the point for a moment, going through the 8th edition codex now. Anders extract is still there, but another passage caught my eye when it was describing the hive mind itself. I think both of you are right.

"The Magos Biologis of the Imperium categorises each Tyranid hive fleet as a separate force, an individual entity that competes with other hive fleets for resources. Indeed, each is self-sufficient, appearing to exhibit different strategies and developing unique creatures to overcome its prey. However, the truth is more complex, for each hive fleet is but a splinter of one greater assemblage. the Tyranids numbers are vast beyond counting, swarms so large that they block out the very stars, yet each and every creature is but a single cell in a living body of a single super-organism.

Every thought and action, every spark of life in the Tyranid race, is bound and interlinked into a single unfathomable consciousness, a great entity that stretches across hundreds of light years of space. This gestalt sentience is known as the Hive Mind. It holds all Tyranids in a psychic bond that enables them to act in perfect synchronicity. Under the influence of this ancient consciousness, the Tyranids have fed on countless planets and devoured civilisations since time immemorial.

The majority of Tyranid organisms have no distinct mind as a human would understand it, having been created to perform a single task to the exclusion of all else. Unless the implacable will of the Hive Mind instructs them to do otherwise, these organism simply fulfil the functions for which they were created, acting on nothing more than instinct. Larger, more complicated, Tyranid beasts have grown to make limited decisions appropriate to current stimuli and situations, but even these actions are subordinate to the goals of the Hive mind."

The extract goes on to say that the influence of the hive mind is stronger when there are loads of synaptic creatures around. Which we all know, but when they are killed the organisms without a mind turn feral."

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but perhaps the Hive mind is entirely separate from the nids and the hive mind is simply directing them? That's what I am getting from these passages. We know the hive mind can be angered, it can plan and have desires which are not shown on the Tyranids themselves. All we have are imperial accounts of what the hive mind possibly is, but the 8th edition codex is saying that they are wrong. The Hive mind is pretty much a lovercraft intelligence.



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 shinros wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
The Tyranids are not here because of the Emperor.

Our galaxy got the Tyranids attention when, during the Horus Heresy, someone activates the pharos devise and overloaded it.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pharos_(Device)

It's a piece of technology more powerful then the astronomicon and doesn't require the Big E to function. The Emperor is just another thing to eat.

Also the Tyranids don't use warp travel. Their FTL allows them to anchor to gravity sources and fall through space time. It only works outside of a system. They use conventional propulsion within a system,


Yup all of this is right on the money, hence why it takes awhile for them to get anywhere. But it's amusing whenever they use their gravity jump it messes up the planets around them.

The Emperor still serves as a beacon marking out the centre of the Imperium and last I checked they do head towards it.


Oh yeah, but there are theories in the Tyranid codex stating that perhaps the planet Tiamet is building upon is a beacon as well. At this point we just don't know what they are doing.



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Did you notice that both statements are basically questions without answers?


Is this better then?

6th edition.



The Tryanid codexs are unique in that they are the only codexes not written from the point of view of their faction. All nid books are written from the point of view of humanity trying to figure out what the feths happening.

They look at the distances the nids must have traveled and they say "that MUST have required so much energy. They MUST have devoured an entire galaxy to do it." But they dont KNOW any of that.


We dont know from what point of view the introduction is written.

But why do you think they have no need of food to stay alive? Is it a piece of fluff I have somehow managed to miss?

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Read any codex entry about them devouring a world. They make no waste. Every scrap of organic mater, every molecule of fluid, every atom of air is taken and recycled to breed more organisms.

Stop thinking about what a hormagaunt does to get its job done. The hormagaunt is a cell in a body not a body unto itself.

The tyranid body takes all and uses all. There is no waste. When those resources are spent to breed new organisms on the next planet if the nids win not only do they recoup 100% of the resources spent but gain every new organic scrap.

Thats not feeding to sustain itself any more than mining iron ore is. They aquire biomass. They dont spend it unless they loose. And thats only a temporary loss until they take it back.

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 Andersp90 wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
Did you notice that both statements are basically questions without answers?


Is this better then?

6th edition.



The Tryanid codexs are unique in that they are the only codexes not written from the point of view of their faction. All nid books are written from the point of view of humanity trying to figure out what the feths happening.

They look at the distances the nids must have traveled and they say "that MUST have required so much energy. They MUST have devoured an entire galaxy to do it." But they dont KNOW any of that.


We dont know from what point of view the introduction is written.

But why do you think they have no need of food to stay alive? Is it a piece of fluff I have somehow managed to miss?



I can confirm this extract is also in the 8th edition codex. But what is strange is that they are playing up the strangeness of the hive mind, no one knows what it wants truly or what it wants save that it directs the Tyranids.

Going back to the Tiamet page.

Part of the opening paragraph

Hive fleet Tiamet is a unique phenomenon: a Tyranid incursion fleet which has claimed a cluster of planets without entirely stripping them of biomass, and continues to guard its conquered territory with single-minded ferocity.

Then we have theories on the device.

"What purpose this bizarre device serves is yet unknown, but for the hive mind to devote an entire fleet to its protection is a worrying portent. Ordo Xeno inquisitors have theorised it may be a powerful beacon, guiding yet more Tyranid hive fleets into the galaxy. In recent years, sightings of questing Tiamet tendrils have become worryingly common, as the hive fleet seeks fresh yields of biomass with which to finish its creation. These hosts have proven extremely difficult to kill, shrugging off volumes of fire that should have seen them utterly obliterated."

Overall the codex is telling us that whatever the hive mind and Tiamet is doing is bloody odd, this is not norm at all. They haven't even eaten the whole worlds completely.


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 shinros wrote:

Now this is just my personal opinion but Tyranids are pathetic at the moment, you can't sell a threat like them if they lose almost every major engagement they are involved in. Reading their codex is depressing. Let's not forget in devastation of Baal, Dante facing down a swarmlord and winning, seriously? The best bioform of the nid fleet losing to an astartes? Narrative wise where can you take such a faction? Hence why I believe they changed Necrons, now is this the start of making the nids something differently entirely? Who knows, anyway this is just a speculation/theory thread after all.



The Tyranids are a far from a "pathetic" threat. They have taken huge chunks out of the Imperium, more than just about any xeno faction, and those worlds are consumed and impossible for the Imperium to retake (unless they want a lifeless ball of rock). They put a literal dent in the border of the Ultima Segmentum.They destroyed Gryphonne IV, stated as one of the most heavily fortified worlds in the "southern" part of the galaxy.

The thing is whenever we see the Tyranids depicted in fiction, it is as antagonists and BL books have the protagonists winning usually through some deus ex machina at the end. Rare is the book that has the protagonists lose or have to really come to terms with defeat. However, for every planet defended successfully against the Tyranids, many more forgettable worlds get consumed, such as all those poorly defended agri-worlds that are mentioned only in passing in how Kraken's splinter fleets are regrowing. The Imperium might crow about victories such as Ichar and Tarsis Ultra, but they could win the battle and lose the war, so to speak. Lose 1 but win 100 other battles? I think the Hive Mind would see that as an acceptable trade off.

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