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**Albertorius**

John Prins wrote:
Good lord, I can't even...how do you bungle something going to print that badly?

Mostly by wanting to make a quick buck out of the Gen Con goers, really. They made a fast first print and sold it at the con. Supposedly the retail print would have that fixed... but honestly, it doesn't even begin to fix it. And well, they said the same about the second printing of 5th edition and they reprinted the same version, so...

**warboss**

Albertorius wrote:
John Prins wrote:
Good lord, I can't even...how do you bungle something going to print that badly?

Mostly by wanting to make a quick buck out of the Gen Con goers, really. They made a fast first print and sold it at the con. Supposedly the retail print would have that fixed... but honestly, it doesn't even begin to fix it. And well, they said the same about the second printing of 5th edition and they reprinted the same version, so...

Yeah, the fixes people hoped that were coming in the aftermath of the release of 5th edition never came so yeah... it's probably not a good idea to think that this edition will improve for free until the release of a for profit new edition or "anniversary" redo.

**John Prins**

Albertorius wrote:
John Prins wrote:
Good lord, I can't even...how do you bungle something going to print that badly?

Mostly by wanting to make a quick buck out of the Gen Con goers, really. They made a fast first print and sold it at the con. Supposedly the retail print would have that fixed... but honestly, it doesn't even begin to fix it. And well, they said the same about the second printing of 5th edition and they reprinted the same version, so...

This tells me Catalyst is in a death spiral. Releasing 6th so soon after 5th and having 6th be a bigger cluster-feth than 5th smacks of desperation.

**Easy E**

That or there resources are going into Battletech and Leviathans.

However, those are all KS generating cash, but will it be used to make the product? It does have some of the signs of Spartan Games about it doesn't it?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Or they've got a licence that requires them to put out releases on a set timeframe,

or perhaps sell a certain number of copies at an adventure/campaign for a not very well recived 5th isn't going to do

so 6th was born

**John Prins**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or they've got a licence that requires them to put out releases on a set timeframe,

or perhaps sell a certain number of copies at an adventure/campaign for a not very well recived 5th isn't going to do

so 6th was born

Licenses usually come with clauses to the effect of "Don't trash the rep of our license" - i.e. don't devalue or valuable intellectual property. Then again, Harmony Gold somehow keeps the Robotech license, so the system doesn't always work as intended.

**Albertorius**

John Prins wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or they've got a licence that requires them to put out releases on a set timeframe,

or perhaps sell a certain number of copies at an adventure/campaign for a not very well recived 5th isn't going to do

so 6th was born

Licenses usually come with clauses to the effect of "Don't trash the rep of our license" - i.e. don't devalue or valuable intellectual property. Then again, Harmony Gold somehow keeps the Robotech license, so the system doesn't always work as intended.

Well, that has more to be with the fact that, for most japanese execs, foreign licensing is still mostly worthless. They just don't care.

**warboss**

So apparently official Shadowrun miniatures are a thing now and I just found out about it. I'd have loved something like this over a decade ago not so much now. In a world where you have home 3d printing and heroforge for completely custom minis and boutique scifi lines like Infinity for the truly professionally sculpted/cast showpiece figs, I'm not sure there is a big market for random scifi girl with big foam pizza platter effects (for magic or hacking effects?). Still, if anyone needs a troll with a mini-chaingun...

https://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Prime-Runner-Miniatures/dp/B07SNGYTTS

**John Prins**

Wow, 5 whole highly specific miniatures with no options.

**Crispy78**

How could anyone *not* need a troll with a damn minigun???

**John Prins**

Crispy78 wrote:
How could anyone *not* need a troll with a damn minigun???

Because they have a minotaur with a Panther Assault Cannon?

**Voss**

warboss wrote:
So apparently official Shadowrun miniatures are a thing now and I just found out about it. I'd have loved something like this over a decade ago not so much now. In a world where you have home 3d printing and heroforge for completely custom minis and boutique scifi lines like Infinity for the truly professionally sculpted/cast showpiece figs, I'm not sure there is a big market for random scifi girl with big foam pizza platter effects (for magic or hacking effects?). Still, if anyone needs a troll with a mini-chaingun...

https://www.amazon.com/Shadowrun-RPG-Prime-Runner-Miniatures/dp/B07SNGYTTS

Now? Shadowrun minis were a thing decades ago. Ral Partha did the original line, and it was picked up by Iron Wind.

Reaper has some not-official-but-obviously-Shadowrun going back to at least 2011:
https://www.reapermini.com/miniatures/chronoscope+sci-fi/latest/50287

Troll with a mini-gun. Weird, right?

**warboss**

Voss wrote:
Now? Shadowrun minis were a thing decades ago. Ral Partha did the original line, and it was picked up by Iron Wind.

Yup, I know..

Spoiler:

and I even owned some of them (the 2nd edition blue box set). I sold them off long ago though but I did keep the giant scale troll fig.

Regardless, I'd consider a gap of about 30 years for small scale figs to be sufficient to allow surprise at the return of official minis. YMMV.

**warboss**

Against my own better judgement and the advice of pretty much everyone I've asked, I've decided to try and start a local (but pandemic-virtual for now) cyberpunk RPG game. I'll be trying out the Anarchy rules first and the Cyberpunk Jumpstart ones next if we don't like the first. None of us has any experience with a narrative style game so I'll be using a more hybrid traditional approach with Anarchy. Regardless, I had some free time over the weekend so decided to rebase/repaint/convert some clix including one for my Troll "personal assistant" character (think 50% face/50% bodyguard although he looks more like a corp troll!). The other one I suppose can be used for a mystic adept but it was initially intended as a Starfinder Solarian when I purchased it. They're not great paint jobs by any means but they're tabletop ready and done in a single weekend so I'm happy enough with the results (or at least the ease in obtaining them).

**Monkeysloth**

If those don't workout r/shadown has lots of alternate rules for Anarchy that changes it to a hybrid game as well as adaptions for other game systems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/hom9t0/help_running_shadowrun_anarchy_as_a_ruleslight/

It's a bit of an awkward subreddit though. The mods have really been trying to clamp down on it as most people in it pretty much hate Shadowrun. I've come to learn that's part the course with the English speaking community. It's not just catalyst (which is loathed there) but they seam to hate all versions. It's really odd.

**warboss**

Thanks! I was already aware of the blog they link to (https://www.surprisethreat.com/) as it was the only real resource I found for the system. I already had some ideas about adding in a lifestyle cost option for players that grants the occasional social modifier so it's good to see I'm not the only one since it was brought up there. I'm a rpg mechanic-tweaker by nature but I have to admit that I'm pretty much changing a fair amount for a rules-light system even before I've played my first game as I don't feel that it has enough shadowruny flavor (not complexity but rather the flavor of the traditional rules) nor is it competently produced to the point that nothing is necessary to just work. I wasn't aware of the other reddit threads as I tend to stay away from that site as much as possible but I'll check them out today as well.

As for the overall seemingly negative opinions of much (or possibly most) of the respondents, it definitely jives with my own impressions (both personally of the RPG currently and my reading of the community's attitude). I don't think Anarchy or especially 6e have gone over well and it's mostly for similar reasons indicating an unwillingness to learn on the part of the company and a disregard for their customers. That sucks though for the people that are ok or genuinely like the recent (i.e. past decade) worth of changes/products.

**Monkeysloth**

I've been running 5e for about a year and we pretty much just inadvertently switched to playing it "German Style" without realizing it. Basically remove about 50% of the rolls unless it's a tense/critical moment and don't bother with any modifiers you can't apply off the top of your head. Speeds up the game really quickly and you can remove a lot of the Matrix stuff so that flows much better in real life.

Shadownrun honestly is one of the best fluff settings out there in my opinion but the rules seam to exist just to exist some times. I love crunchy systems and character generation but someone that's a better rules writer needs to take a stab at the system but that won't happen as long as Catalyst has it as they really, really just don't care. And that's coming from former writers for the system.

**warboss**

I have no idea if it's true but supposedly the German versions of the core rules for a couple of editions are much more than a simple translation and instead fixes rules deemed problematic. I too like the old fluff for shadowrun but haven't kept up with it enough in recent years (or even decades?... since Dunkelzahn was freshly dead and Chicago was about to be fumigated).

At this point, I can't see the IP doing well without a complete ground up refresh of not just the rules but also the background. Personally, I think they should go completely with an 80's retrofuture dystopia vibe and not try to be as ground breaking now as they were in 1989. YMMV.

**Melissia**

I don't know, I liked it just fine before they started doing super-sci-fi nanotech crap.

Not all cybernetics need to be rusty and dented, but nanomachines are just blegh and boring for this kind of setting.

**Monkeysloth**

The thing with Shadowrun that very few other RPG settings do is they advance the in game year pretty much every real year via organized play (they have been a few jumps bigger then that though) so it's basically 30 years past 1st editions setting. In 30 years with the level of research going on things are going to advance. It's not a frozen setting

Plenty of people are still upset with wireless communication/hacking but it's silly not to expect that to not have happened as time advanced.

**Melissia**

That's all well and good, but at some point they stop being cyberpunk and start being flat out sci-fi, and that point I kinda lose interest because while Shadowrun is a great cyberpunk setting, it's really not a good sci-fi setting.

**warboss**

Cyberpunk has evolved but I don't believe Shadowrun has kept up with the genre. That said... I don't think it has to. Unfortunately just dipping the something's toes into the post Gibsonian/Blade Runner aspects is the worst possible choice. Either stick with the original feel with some obvious alterations both for quality of player/GM life and real world advancements (like adding the abstracted wireless matrix mentioned above instead of circuit diagram graph paper wired matrix) or go full on reboot on the rules, concepts, and setting. Trying to straddle a middle ground gets us the sequentially less popular editions that even nostalgia can't save. Ymmv.

**Monkeysloth**

Melissia wrote:That's all well and good, but at some point they stop being cyberpunk and start being flat out sci-fi, and that point I kinda lose interest because while Shadowrun is a great cyberpunk setting, it's really not a good sci-fi setting.

Fallout is having this same issue right now as there's a decent size community of fans that want Fallout 5 to be post-post apocalyptic with everything cleaned up and more sci-fi as there's been just huge time jumps for the games you're now well over 200 years since the bombs fell but things still look like it happened only a few years earlier. It's a hard thing to progress settings. Shadowrun is a bit different then Fallout but still some similarities. What originally made it standout, outside of the magic and cyberpunk mix, was the strong 80's retro version of the future. That's not easy to justify over 30 years of in game time as we can easily see how much trends and designs change in our own world.

warboss wrote:Cyberpunk has evolved but I don't believe Shadowrun has kept up with the genre. That said... I don't think it has to. Unfortunately just dipping the something's toes into the post Gibsonian/Blade Runner aspects is the worst possible choice. Either stick with the original feel with some obvious alterations both for quality of player/GM life and real world advancements (like adding the abstracted wireless matrix mentioned above instead of circuit diagram graph paper wired matrix) or go full on reboot on the rules, concepts, and setting. Trying to straddle a middle ground gets us the sequentially less popular editions that even nostalgia can't save. Ymmv.

I pretty much agree here. I don't think it needs to be modern cyberpunk in any way. It needs to be it's own thing. Catalyst however is not really the people to be in charge of that as I doubt they really care. A lot of people are hoping after the failure of 6e, as it's really hurting sales wise, that maybe Paradox will get ahold of the RPG license like they did Whitewolf stuff and Wiseman works for them. I don't think that would happen anytime soon but who knows. If Microsoft, who owns the game license, is working on something and Catalyst knows that they'd never let it go.

It's pretty sad the state of the setting and game though. I love crunchy systems but 5e is just so poorly written with rules delivered "in character" for the setting and all sort of conflicting rules too. 6e I haven't even bother to buy.

**warboss**

So apparently this was a thing inside the Catalyst offices... SR5E Brony edition.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303655502380?fbclid=IwAR2gm7Qawbs30_QO3p9iomS3C8yB9pBUjWZtL3mXKFiN2cILc2FDlZkCLIs

**Mr Morden**

I tend to agree it should be just be alt universe period setting instead of trying to keep advancing the time line to stay ahead of our own.

**ZebioLizard2**

warboss wrote:
So apparently this was a thing inside the Catalyst offices... SR5E Brony edition.

Spoiler:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303655502380?fbclid=IwAR2gm7Qawbs30_QO3p9iomS3C8yB9pBUjWZtL3mXKFiN2cILc2FDlZkCLIs

Not surprising, I've seen the Paizo brony one as well. You'll find that fandom everywhere.

**warboss**

So this was posted over on the Shadowrun forums (and likely elsewhere)...

Someone tried to do a poll regarding the customer base's feelings regarding 6e and the results weren't particularly positive. Obviously YMMV regarding the opinions expressed but only 79 people responded which in and of itself might be indicative of general apathy.

https://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=31801.0

Spoiler:

The questions for this survey are as follows:

Single-select Questions

For these, the confidence range is 95%. I used this site to calculate the intervals. Use This one if you run into trouble.

What sent you to this survey?

* 44/79 (55.7%) of respondents came from /r/Shadowrun
* 17/79 (21.5%) of respondents came from Dumpshock
* 17/79 (21.5%) of respondents came from Official Forums
* 1/79 (1.3%) put down "ZeeMastermind" in the "Other." *I'm assuming they came from reddit, since I use other usernames on the official forums and Dumpshock (Middle School me thinks "ZeeMastermind" is a better username than I do). This is not me, I did not fill out the survey. I simply made this a "Other" question when it really shouldn't have been*

Have you bought a Shadowrun CRB before the release of 6e?

* 73/79 (92.4%, +/- 5.8%) "Yes"
* 1/79 (1.3%, +/- 2.5%) "No"
* 5/79 (6.3%, +/- 5.4%) "I pirated a CRB (Only select if you HAVE NEVER bought a CRB)"

Have you played Shadowrun before the release of 6e?

* 78/79 (98.7%, +/- 2.5%) "Yes"
* 1/79 (1.3%, +/- 2.5%) "No"

Did you buy the 6e Core Rulebook (6e)?

* 36/79 (45.6%, +/- 11%) "Yes"
* 22/79 (27.8%, +/- 9.9%) "No"
* 21/79 (26.6%, +/- 9.7%) "I pirated it (Only select if you DID NOT buy 6e after pirating it)"

Do you like 6e?

* 8/77 (10.4%, +/- 6.8%) "Yes"
* 53/77 (68.8%, +/- 10.3%) "No"
* 16.77 (20.8%, +/- 9.1%) "It's complicated"

Here is the breakdown of the first few questions by source:

Dumpshock
* 100% have bought a Shadowrun CRB before the release of 6e
* 0% have pirated and never bought a Shadowrun CRB before the release of 6e
* 100% have played Shadowrun before the release of 6e
* 23.53% pirated and never bought the 6e CRB
* 17.65% bought the 6e CRB
* 5.88% liked 6e
* 0% said "it's complicated" about liking 6e
* 17 total respondents

Official Forums
* 100% have bought a Shadowrun CRB before the release of 6e
* 0% have pirated and never bought a CRB before the release of 6e
* 100% have played Shadowrun before the release of 6e
* 76.47% bought the 6e CRB
* 17.65% pirated and never bought the 6e CRB
* 17.65% liked 6e
* 35.29% said "it's complicated" about liking 6e
* 17 total respondents

/r/Shadowrun
* 86.36% have bought a Shadowrun CRB before the release of 6e
* 11.36% have pirated and never bought a CRB before the release of 6e
* 97.73% have played Shadowrun before the release of 6e
* 43.18% bought the 6e CRB
* 31.82% pirated and never bought the 6e CRB
* 9.09% liked 6e
* 22.73% said "it's complicated" about liking 6e
* 44 total respondents

bizarro-ZeeMastermind
* 100% have bought a Shadowrun CRB before the release of 6e
* 0% have pirated and never bought a CRB before the release of 6e
* 100% have played Shadowrun before the release of 6e
* 100% bought the 6e CRB
* 0% pirated and never bought the 6e CRB
* 0% liked 6e
* 0% said "it's complicated" about liking 6e
* 1 total respondent

Multi-select Questions

I do not provide confidence ranges for these questions. Feel free to calculate it.

What do you like about 6e/why do you play 6e?

For this question, the percentage based on the number of people who answered the question is on the left. The percentage based on the total number of respondents is on the right.

* 44/53 (83%) OR 44/79 (55.7%) "I like the setting"
* 8/53 (15.1%) OR 8/79 (10.1%) "I like the mechanics"
* 7/53 (13.2%) OR 7/79 (8.9%) "I like the mechanics (Magic)"
* 10/53 (18.9%) OR 10/79 (12.7%) "I like the mechanics (Combat)"
* 14/53 (26.4%) OR 14/79 (17.7%) "I like the mechanics (Matrix)"
* 16/53 (30.2%) OR 16/79 (20.3%) "I like the mechanics (Skills)"
* 8/53 (15.1%) OR 8/79 (10.1%) "I like the mechanics (Character Creation)"
* 17/53 (32.1%) OR 17/79 (21.5%) "I like the mechanics (Core dice pool mechanics)"
* 7/53 (13.2%) OR 7/79 (8.9%) "I like the mechanics (Edge)"
* 3/53 (5.7%) OR 3/79 (3.8%) "I like Catalyst Game Labs"
* 9/53 (17%) OR 9/79 (11.4%) "I like the CRB Fiction"
* 6/53 (11.3%) OR 6/79 (7.6%) "My group plays 6e"
* 0/53 (0%) OR 0/79 (0%) "Word-of-mouth"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Price"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Editing Quality (Spelling, grammar, active voice, etc.)"
* 5/53 (9.4%) OR 5/79 (6.3%) "Easy to Learn"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Rules are Clear"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Style/Syntax (Word choice, tone, sentence flow, etc.)"
* 23/53 (43.4%) OR 23/79 (29.1%) "Theme/genre"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: I don't play it"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: The dapper shark meme: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367180742595313664/618362220765642763/5qzthwxfh6k31.png (1), https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/365227581018079235/689905930682237004/9d198e5c57f6cc2853b70afe7a729849.png (2)"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: The prospect of a less convoluted version of 5th Edition sounded nice..."
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: Previous player, wanted to try current rule set"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: Treating drugs like toxins for unified rules! Yay!"
* 1/53 (1.9%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: to be clear, I *don't* like what has been done with the setting since 6e, but I am broadly fine with most aspects of it before 6e, with the notable exception that I think forcing black ops cyberware to be constantly broadcasting an obvious signal is incredibly stupid, and that if you're going to go the extra mile to support matrix PCs who absolutely refuse to act outside the matrix (not that I consider that a worthy goal), it should be done by providing them options in the environment if and where it makes sense, not by having the entire planet decide that wired reflexes which formerly worked just fine without a matrix connection spontaneously don't function without it."

What don't you like about 6e/why don't you play 6e?

For this question, the percentage based on the number of people who answered the question is on the left. The percentage based on the total number of respondents is on the right.

* 9/76(11.8%) OR 9/79 (11.4%) "I dislike the setting"
* 46/76 (60.5%) OR 46/79 (58.2%) "I dislike the mechanics"
* 29/76 (38.2%) OR 29/79 (36.7%) "I dislike the mechanics (Magic)"
* 34/76 (44.7%) OR 34/79 (43%) "I dislike the mechanics (Combat)"
* 27/76 (35.5%) OR 27/79 (34.2%) "I dislike the mechanics (Matrix)"
* 19/76 (25%) OR 19/79 (24.1%) "I dislike the mechanics (Skills)"
* 35/76 (46.1%) OR 35/79 (44.3%) "I dislike the mechanics (Character Creation)"
* 16/76 (21.1%) OR 16/79 (20.3%) "I dislike the mechanics (Core dice pool mechanics)"
* 48/76 (63.2%) OR 48/79 (60.8%) "I dislike the mechanics (Edge)"
* 40/76 (52.6%) OR 40/79 (50.6%) "I dislike Catalyst Game Labs"
* 16/76 (21.1%) OR 16/79 (20.3%) "I dislike the CRB Fiction"
* 6/76 (7.9%) OR 6/79 (7.6%) "I do not want to learn a new edition"
* 31/76 (40.8%) OR 31/79 (39.2%) "My group plays a different edition"
* 15/76 (19.7%) OR 15/79 (19%) "Word-of-mouth"
* 11/76 (14.5%) OR 11/79 (13.9%) "Price"
* 58/76 (76.3%) OR 58/79 (73.4%) "Editing Quality (Spelling, grammar, active voice, etc.)"
* 17/76 (22.4%) OR 17/79 (21.5%) "Not easy to Learn"
* 45/76 (59.2%) OR 45/79 (57%) "Rules are not Clear"
* 31/76 (40.8%) OR 31/79 (39.2%) "Style/Syntax (Word choice, tone, sentence flow, etc.)"
* 3/76 (3.9%) OR 3/79 (3.8%) "Theme/genre"
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: The writers broke coherence between fiction and mechanics."
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: The mechanics make no sense, they do not reflect real world gun fights nor combat in any form. They are useless at everything they try do combat-wise."
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: Doubling Down on gak nobody liked in the previous Editions. Some games arnt ment to be simplified. Also lookin at you Todd Howard"
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: Playing Pathfinder"
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: Oversimplification"
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: urning Seattle into Hong Kong because the HK people left is weaksauce. The whole Fiat-EMP plot is horrible and the missing SuperSoldiers from Hell are not better either. It's peak MagicRun."
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: disliking matrix rules was a bit broad. I like the idea of technomancers. I don't like the current existing rules for them. I also don't like what has been done with the setting since 6e started in terms of plot."
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: The nerfing of cyberware/bioware that started in 5th edtion. I do not know why you had to make decking so stupidly expensive and making Street Sams all but unplayable."
* 1/76 (1.3%) OR 1/79 (1.3%) "Other: Low Production Quality"

Which of the following have you gone to for information on new games in the past year?

* 64/77 (83.1%) "reddit[.]com/r/shadowrun"
* 25/77 (32.5%) "reddit[.]com/r/rpg"
* 16/77 (20.8%) "Another reddit sub"
* 47/77 (61%) "Official Shadowrun Forums"
* 31/77 (40.3%) "Dumpshock Forums"
* 15/77 (19.5%) "RPG.net"
* 12/77 (15.6%) "Another forum"
* 39/77 (50.6%) "Drive-Thru RPG"
* 33/77 (42.9%) "Drive-Thru RPG Reviews"
* 13/77 (16.9%) "Another website"
* 17/77 (22.1%) "Local Game Store (FLGS)"
* 8/77 (10.4%) "SCN Discord (Shadowrun Community Network, previously Shadowcasters Network)"
* 22/77 (28.6%) "Another Discord Server"
* 2/77 (2.6%) "CGL Mailing List"
* 3/77 (3.9%) "ShadowRN Mailing List"
* 2/77 (2.6%) "Other Mailing List"
* 9/77 (11.7%) "Official CGL Website"
* 13/77 (16.9%) "Official Shadowrun Website"
* 1/77 (1.3%) "Other: srg"
* 1/77 (1.3%) "Other: 4chan"
* 1/77 (1.3%) "Other: Shadowrunners' Union Facebook group"
* 1/77 (1.3%) "Other: TheRPGsite, RPGpub"

**Albertorius**

I mean... the results don't really surprise me much ^^

**Easy E**

I still just play 3E. I updated a few bits for wi-fi but the rest works fine for me.

**warboss**

Albertorius wrote:I mean... the results don't really surprise me much ^^

Same here. He reran the survey in response to some of the more reasonable criticism he received with the first round and it didn't fair well for 6e yet again.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1l_gVMQxWGbiaV_pGIFp3Y6NgDoiXOyEjiTlcSIb2kg4/edit#slide=id.g5361c52c6d_3_35

Easy E wrote:I still just play 3E. I updated a few bits for wi-fi but the rest works fine for me.

Well, fwiw, it's got the highest like/dislike ratio so you're not the only one in the shadowrun community who likes it.