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From Wookiepedia (great name)...

Sith article wrote:The Sith stayed in hiding for a thousand years


So provided that remains Canon (and it is from the Canon page, not the Legends)? Perhaps we'll find the Sith deep behind the curtain. After all, Darth Plageuis must've had a Master, and that Master and so on...So there's definitely room - just keep them properly shadowy.

   
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To what point though? 'But it was those evil Sith all along' is a dull cliche in SW. There isn't any reason to saddle a new project with the same old junk.

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I feel like two years ago this would have excited me. As it is, I'm somehow not excited... On the one hand, getting away from Sith vs Jedi would be cool, but l also fall in the camp that conflict between the Jedi and the Sith has heavily defined the SW universe, and the solution to the current problem isn't so much to ignore it but to get the feth out of an era where the entire concept is cliche.

Survivors of order 66 (dark and light) and secret children of evil who are good has gotten staler than stale bread.

On the other hand, a Golden age doesn't seem like a time with much to do. I mean, there will be stuff to do obviously. But kicking of a franchise with "this is the good times when everything was working right" sounds like "don't worry, none of this will matter by the time the ride is over."

And I guess there are other things I'd rather see. If we want wild west, how about the post TRoS era? No First Order. No Empire. No Republic. No Jedi. I mean, if we want Walker Texas Rangers in space western, why wouldn't you just go there? Why not go all the way back to the founding of the Republic? The Force Wars? Hell, I'll take the Yuuhan Vong at this point. Seeing the Republic and Jedi order at their peak 500 years before they all died and their achievements in an optimistic golden age rendered moot isn't much of a sales pitch.

   
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The republic in a golden age means we have to deal with zero politics.

The jedi as questing knights protecting the fringes of the republic means there is a vast wilderness outside of the walls of the city of light and there is PLENTY to do facing the dragons at the gates.


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 Lance845 wrote:
The republic in a golden age means we have to deal with zero politics.

The jedi as questing knights protecting the fringes of the republic means there is a vast wilderness outside of the walls of the city of light and there is PLENTY to do facing the dragons at the gates.


This intrigues me.

As I’ve mentioned earlier, I can’t really conceive of SW without The Sith.

But? Perhaps without The Sith, we will see the Jedi at their absolute best? Literally just fulfilling their role as Peace Keepers.

I mean, they’re highly skilled warriors even before we consider their Force abilities.

Put them up against comparatively vanilla foes, and it’s not whether they win that’s interesting but the how.

   
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There could be all sorts of bad guys introduced that are not just retreaded Sith. There could be warlords out in the unknown regions with whole fleets of raiders ready to face off against Republic forces where Jedi are just a side character, rather than Great Generals. Or guys who get ahold of old Sith artifacts, but who are not just Evil Jedi, themselves.

I personally would rather see more stuff around the Kotor era, but this'll do in a pinch.

Frankly I would most like to see things in the Exar Khun and Ulic Qel Droma era, like the old Dark Horse comics. I loved the art style of all the jagged, unrefined tech.

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Bit early to comment on but I like the gold'n'elegant theme so far.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I mean, they’re highly skilled warriors even before we consider their Force abilities.

Put them up against comparatively vanilla foes, and it’s not whether they win that’s interesting but the how.

Indeed. It's not like we haven't had non-Sith opponents who were able to go toe-to-toe with Jedi before.

 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
The republic in a golden age means we have to deal with zero politics.

That's an odd assumption. Golden ages are retroactively defined and usually gloss over details, but 'no politics' isn't a defining feature.
For example, the Ottoman Empire's golden age is usually pointed at the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent because of politics (and his handling thereof), not because of a lack of politics.


Plus, I'd wager that at least one of the Jedi 'team' that ends up as the protagonists ends up on it due to internal Jedi politics. In the sense of 'a hard-boiled cop with nothing left to lose.' Its too easy a backstory and character type to miss in an ensemble cast about 'Jedi Texas Rangers.'

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Are people really disinterested in the politics of the Star Wars universe or just its implementation?

Honest question, I don't remember anybody saying they hated the depiction of 'politics' in the prequels until the Simpsons' toothless Phantom Menace parody made that the whole joke.

If anything, exploring the Republic's golden age would probably require a look at its politics - it's not like they're a massively established totalitarian state that can go around smashing planets when an official gets embarrassed at a dinner party.

   
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 Captain Joystick wrote:
Are people really disinterested in the politics of the Star Wars universe or just its implementation?


Its entirely an implementation issue.
   
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If the focus on the republics golden age is the questing jedi knights protecting its boarders then no. You don't need any of the republics council meetings and trade tariffs and other crap.

"Texas Ranger" style westerns don't focus on whats happening in Washington D.C. They focus on the small town, colonies, and the threats they face. Inner workings of the republic itself will literally be on the other side of the galaxy.

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Ah, I forgot small towns and colonies don't have politics.

There certainly isn't any bitter knife twisting and petty power struggles in the small town I lived in, in anyone's historical colonies, or in any western you care to name.

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I just want small stories that don’t affect entire systems fates. This looks cool!

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Voss wrote:
Ah, I forgot small towns and colonies don't have politics.

There certainly isn't any bitter knife twisting and petty power struggles in the small town I lived in, in anyone's historical colonies, or in any western you care to name.


I think it's fairly obvious that when people say they want to get away from SW politics they mean an opening crawl about trade tariffs, long slow walks down vast empty corridors or a senate building, and watching people call for votes.

Rival families or ideologies screwing each other over in interesting ways and the violent fall out of such things on the fringes of society makes for interesting viewing.

This...





"While the congress of the republic endlessly debate..."

is not.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

As I’ve mentioned earlier, I can’t really conceive of SW without The Sith.


Utterly baffling to me, that. But then my Star Wars was the gritty world of the Original Trilogy, and I'm far more invested in the war between the Alliance and the Empire, in which the philosophical conflicts of tiny numbers of religious zealots is just a sideshow. And the days when the word 'Sith' was never uttered on-screen and was only found in early drafts and novelisations.


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 Lance845 wrote:
If the focus on the republics golden age is the questing jedi knights protecting its boarders then no. You don't need any of the republics council meetings and trade tariffs and other crap.

"Texas Ranger" style westerns don't focus on whats happening in Washington D.C. They focus on the small town, colonies, and the threats they face. Inner workings of the republic itself will literally be on the other side of the galaxy.


This. Would Firefly have been at all improved if a portion of every episode was devoted to watching the Alliance government debate the name for a new colony, for example?

People don't want galactic politics. Galactic politics are, for the vast majority of the time, boring tedious bureaucracy (you want proof? Watch BBC Parliament Live and consider how much more dull it would be when trying to govern a galaxy, with thousands more representatives all trying to say their bit, compared to a couple hundred from an island and a bit). What people enjoy is scheming. Well, scheming doesn't require you to be dealing with the galactic government. A corrupt local governor/sheriff/whatever works just fine and doesn't require the ever outwardly spiralling nonsense that comes with trying to have a massive galaxy wide conspiracy.

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 Captain Joystick wrote:
Are people really disinterested in the politics of the Star Wars universe or just its implementation?


Its entirely an implementation issue.


It depends on what you mean by "people". If you're talking about the kind of people who know who Willrow Hood is... then, "people" are very interested in the politics of the universe. If you talk about the rest of the millions who are fans of the movies and toys and games and cartoons.... not... really.
   
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when I see Disney is involved with this my hopes hit rock bottom, even more so as KK is still involved albeit in a limited way.

Its the same thing when I hear EA and star wars.
   
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Well disney owns sw now. So its disney and sw forever at this point.


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 Lance845 wrote:
Voss wrote:
Ah, I forgot small towns and colonies don't have politics.

There certainly isn't any bitter knife twisting and petty power struggles in the small town I lived in, in anyone's historical colonies, or in any western you care to name.


I think it's fairly obvious that when people say they want to get away from SW politics they mean an opening crawl about trade tariffs, long slow walks down vast empty corridors or a senate building, and watching people call for votes.



Ah. No. When people say 'politics,' I don't 'obviously' think of the prequels. I think of real politics. Framed against 'Jedi Texas Rangers,' I think of scenario where a high faluting city boy from back east (a courier from Coruscant/Jedi Temple/Sector Gov't) comes to the merry band of Jedi Rangers and asks them to resolve a situation in the best interests of the {Coruscant/Jedi Temple/Sector Gov't} which leaves the local population out in the cold, violates their burial grounds, mining rights or whatever. Or a local land baron trying to take control of the town/colony or whatever. Corrupt mayors, idealistic governors... I can't see a 'Jedi Texas Rangers' property not doing stories like that.


Riqeunde wrote:Utterly baffling to me, that. But then my Star Wars was the gritty world of the Original Trilogy, and I'm far more invested in the war between the Alliance and the Empire, in which the philosophical conflicts of tiny numbers of religious zealots is just a sideshow. And the days when the word 'Sith' was never uttered on-screen and was only found in early drafts and novelisations.

Same here. 'Dark Lord of the Sith' got bandied about maybe... once? It was a personal story inside a political revolution, not some weird religious schism.
But then I also feel that SW is at its best when there aren't any Force users around at all.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
If the focus on the republics golden age is the questing jedi knights protecting its boarders then no. You don't need any of the republics council meetings and trade tariffs and other crap.

"Texas Ranger" style westerns don't focus on whats happening in Washington D.C. They focus on the small town, colonies, and the threats they face. Inner workings of the republic itself will literally be on the other side of the galaxy.


This. Would Firefly have been at all improved if a portion of every episode was devoted to watching the Alliance government debate the name for a new colony, for example?

People don't want galactic politics. Galactic politics are, for the vast majority of the time, boring tedious bureaucracy (you want proof? Watch BBC Parliament Live and consider how much more dull it would be when trying to govern a galaxy, with thousands more representatives all trying to say their bit, compared to a couple hundred from an island and a bit). What people enjoy is scheming. Well, scheming doesn't require you to be dealing with the galactic government. A corrupt local governor/sheriff/whatever works just fine and doesn't require the ever outwardly spiralling nonsense that comes with trying to have a massive galaxy wide conspiracy.


This is an amusing statement given the explicitly political bent of the Firefly crew, and the underlying plotlines of a political cabal within the Alliance trying to retrieve River by any (usually bloody) means necessary.

Parliamentary shenagains are a subset of political intrigue, but they arent remotely the only part of it. Look at The Expanse for a show that deals with macro-politics exquisitely well.
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
Well disney owns sw now. So its disney and sw forever at this point.


Nah they own Disney star wars, I still have mountains of good/bad fanfic I can go through, older novels, original films etc. I do not have to interact with Disney wars thankfully, on a more positive note though Iger is gone so there may be some hope.

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Well I'm onboard for this, one of my many issues with the sequel trilogy was I was promised lots of Jedi being back, and instead we got Luke and Rey and that was it pretty much, I love the prequels and the Clone wars for the Jedi, so this is scratching that itch, if it manages to feel like high fantasy as well I will be a very happy man.
   
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foenixphate wrote:
Well I'm onboard for this, one of my many issues with the sequel trilogy was I was promised lots of Jedi being back,...

Were you? Where was that promised?

 
   
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Before they axed the entire EU, I'd have been excited for this. Now? Not so much.. and that even before the cringey white board and its lists of priority come into focus. I like the various art styles though of the concept art.

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Old EU was a right mixed bag though.

And this, to the best of my knowledge, isn't an era covered before?

Plus they've brought back various EU elements with good success in Rebels (ship types, Thrawn etc)

   
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