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Not a tank, but I think a good example of what you can get printing wargaming vehicles yourself. The model file.was.about £5 and it needed a whole spool costing £15 over about 3 days. I dread to think the cost from.a traditional outlet.



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the_scotsman wrote:
Unless I just used a real expensive model of printer, the resin we used was 30$/liter, and with the amount it used for support struts it went a lot faster than you would expect that volume to go. The first thing I did was print a bunch of ork boyz i found a 3d file for and they worked out to 45$/10, which is more expensive than the GW kit that comes with extra bits, to say nothing of grabbing them secondhand off ebay.


I've been printing in resin for a few years now, and I was kind of curious by this story. You said it cost $45 to print 10 Ork Boyz, and the resin was $30 a liter, so you used a bottle and a half, yeah? I've printed off an enormous Scythed Hierodule - 8 inches long, 7 inches wide, maybe 5 inches tall - for maybe half a bottle, and done a whole ton of Battlemechs that are 5 or 6 ounces each, but I've never printed Ork Boyz, and don't know what their volume is. So, I did an experiment.

I got a tumbler and filled it half full of water, and marked the fill line with tape. Then I chucked in 10 Ork Boyz: legs, a choppa arm, a shoota arm, and a head, times ten. I marked that line, too.

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Then I poured off this displaced water to see how much volume the 10 boyz parts displaced. I poured it into a 2 ounce cup. I didn't measure this, but I'd guess it's about an ounce.

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So, I have to say - I am stumped. Like I said, I've been printing for a few years now, both in resin and in FDM. I am very well versed in how much support material you need and how supports work. There is literally no way I can think of that you needed one and a half of these bottles of the left to fill the volume of the cup on the right:

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I mean, I'm not saying you just made it up, but it's the only explanation that makes sense to me. Maybe there is something I didn't consider: Did you make the supports solid bars an inch thick and elevate the boys to the top of the Z for your printer? Did you put the boyz on top of a solid block of resin 7 inches thick? Is there a crack in your screen, where the printer works, but it leaked out 45 ounces to print 5 ounces? Truly, I wish to know.


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Maybe they also included power etc in the cost. Not sure how much that is for Resin prints, seems a bit much though,

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Unrelated note - that Anycubic Maroon resin is just for illustrative purposes, it is garbage. I got it for free and I'm still not using it.

Anycubic Grey and Green are both excellent though.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
Unrelated note - that Anycubic Maroon resin is just for illustrative purposes, it is garbage. I got it for free and I'm still not using it.


The what? I was busy looking at the lego T-rex that isn't the center of attention in a picture of a lego t-rex

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
Unrelated note - that Anycubic Maroon resin is just for illustrative purposes, it is garbage. I got it for free and I'm still not using it.


The what? I was busy looking at the lego T-rex that isn't the center of attention in a picture of a lego t-rex


It looks like a cool LEGO T-Rex.
   
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Pleasant Valley, Iowa

Oh, that's a Chinese knock-off of the T-Rex from the Jurassic Park set.

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I haven't put together the gate yet, I've been busy abandoning other projects halfway through instead.
   
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Pleasant Valley, Iowa

You guys think we're ever going to get an answer on how those 10 orks needed a liter and a half of resin? I think of this often.

   
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That seems like a lot of resin.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
You guys think we're ever going to get an answer on how those 10 orks needed a liter and a half of resin? I think of this often.



I've wondered the same thing. There's definitely something funky with those numbers.

We're at the point where for $200 you can get a plug-and-play resin 3D printer that will produce comparable models for a small fraction of what the 'real' models cost, more than paying for itself over even a small army. Leaving aside any questions of ethics, the remaining advantages to buying plastic kits are just not having to handle resin, clean up supports, or wait for prints to complete.

3D printing as a practical alternative to purchasing injection molded plastic kits isn't ten years off; it's already here. These ethical questions are no longer hypotheticals.
   
 
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