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 Stormonu wrote:
Even without BattleScribe, it’s still fairly easy. Biggest issue is the host has to have access to all the armies/models that will be used (or at least, I haven’t found an option for joiners to load the models themselves).

I’m still learning about the game (TTS), but the online tutorials are really helpful. The program has evolved a lot since it was first released, and playing with it for about 10-15 minutes before jumping into trying a game helps a lot.

Being unable to find options seems the biggest problem. Not only is TTS extremely un-intuitive, but many tutorials are showing/referring to outdated versions, which have essential things like how to import your army work completely different.
The modules which contain armies also vary wildly in quality, and picking the right table to play on also massively impacts how well the game works.

Once you have played a game or two, most of the difficulty is gone, but the learning curve is extremely steep. The best way to start your way with TTS is finding someone who already knows what's going on and have them teach you.

Can you play against an AI with this?

No, no AI I'm afraid. But there's something much better - a Discord server with loads of fellow players looking for games.

For those who say it looks too hard; every member of my 40k league that has access to a computer now has TTS, a few armies set up ready to go, and are playing between a game and 5 a week. It's honestly pretty straight forward.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Even without BattleScribe, it’s still fairly easy. Biggest issue is the host has to have access to all the armies/models that will be used (or at least, I haven’t found an option for joiners to load the models themselves).

I’m still learning about the game (TTS), but the online tutorials are really helpful. The program has evolved a lot since it was first released, and playing with it for about 10-15 minutes before jumping into trying a game helps a lot.

Being unable to find options seems the biggest problem. Not only is TTS extremely un-intuitive, but many tutorials are showing/referring to outdated versions, which have essential things like how to import your army work completely different.
The modules which contain armies also vary wildly in quality, and picking the right table to play on also massively impacts how well the game works.

Once you have played a game or two, most of the difficulty is gone, but the learning curve is extremely steep. The best way to start your way with TTS is finding someone who already knows what's going on and have them teach you.

It's almost like there has been a concerted effort in the last few months to create some sort of compilation of mods to improve on these aspects, or something.

Honestly, it seems that your experience of TTS is not reflective of the current situation. The discord is extremely active, with dedicated mentors. We've created an easy to install compilation of curated mods for armies. The community has created tools such as Battlescribe2TTS and a host of map making and using tools.

Apparently that effort failed. Whatever you did is utterly worthless if it can't be easily found by searching google, youtube or steam - which it can't.

And to be honest, I initially dodged most of the stuff with your name on it, simply because I feared of it would be of the same quality as your posts on dakka. If it weren't for other (quite helpful!) people from dakka recommending it, I still would do so.

That said, you can polish a turd much as you like, but it still stays a turd. TTS is a turd.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
The discord is extremely active, with dedicated mentors. We've created an easy to install compilation of curated mods for armies. The community has created tools such as Battlescribe2TTS and a host of map making and using tools.

Yes, that's great, and it's awesome that you guys do that. But that still doesn't change the fact that TTS is a terrible piece of software that I have no chance of getting to run on my own unless I invest multiple hours into it.
"It is mandatory to join a chat and find a mentor" is not a sign of quality, it's the very opposite.

So you want to put zero effort in and have it all just land in your lap? You've never googled how to do something in any other software, ever?


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 Jidmah wrote:

And to be honest, I initially dodged most of the stuff with your name on it, simply because I feared of it would be of the same quality as your posts on dakka. If it weren't for other (quite helpful!) people from dakka recommending it, I still would do so.

You were afraid they would be well cited and factually correct?

If you're not willing to use a good tool because you dislike the creator, I don't know what to say really. I still use Notepad++, for example.

Gentlemen settle down.

some people are layer 8 and don't want or find the right thing.
Some people are generaly cryptonite to any non waterproofly written programm.
And some are geniuses.

In short, if you're willing to spend a little bit of time learning a new piece of software with the same learning curve as just about any other piece of software, come join us on the subreddit and discord and feel free to ask any questions. We're a friendly bunch.

Jidmah, I think your antipathy to Bacon is really messing with your balance. If you can't get along with TTS, despire all the good work players have been doing, for free, to improve it, okay.

I however can strongly recommend it as a great commuity-generated way to play 40k at a distance, something that has never been more important to the community than it is now.

It plays well, has loads of useful tools that actually streamline the game in some ways to be faster than physical 40k, and I think every army is pretty much available for you to play for free, and some look damn awesome. After ten-thirty minutes you can play a game with a friend in lockdown, or meet new friendly players if you prefer. I dunno, I guess some people are never satisfied.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
So you want to put zero effort in and have it all just land in your lap? You've never googled how to do something in any other software, ever?

Please provide the search terms which allegedly point to your guides.
Searching for obvious search terms on google mostly yields 2-3 year old guides(when army loading worked completely differently). Searching on steam drowns you in options and especially for tables, the ones which look bests when you have no experience turn out to be the worst ones to play on.
And just for reference, my friend and I got TTS to run without any external help and have played multiple games since. But we are not a reference, we are working with tools like Visual Studio, IntelliJ, git or AWS on a daily basis, which TTS unnecessarily rivals in complexity. I'd even go as far and say setting up a basic ASP.NET Core website running in a container on AWS without previous experience is easier than playing your first game of 40k in TTS.
Quite a few people from our gaming group got shied away by the complexity of what you need to do before playing - not everyone is used to handling complex software. Some more have played a single game and decided that they would rather use the time to play game with better usability, like DoW1.
Last, but not least, people have jobs and families, some currently having to work overtime and handling their kids at home at the same time. They are not willing to waste an hour or more of their precious free time to find their way around some badly designed software.

I also don't get why you are getting so defensive about this, are you one of the TTS developers and I'm telling you that your baby is ugly?
The stuff the 40k community build to enable playing 40k is great, but TTS itself is seriously is lacking in almost every aspect, which obviously hurts the playing experience, no matter what the modders do.
We even gave it a look for our P&P games, but ultimately decided on a much more well designed tool which was easy to use and understand right out of the box.

You were afraid they would be well cited and factually correct?

No, I assumed that they would be wasting my time and be unhelpful.

Considering how you spend this entire thread with ad hominem attacks, rather than offering even a single piece of advice besides "go ask someone else", that assumption was pretty spot on.

Instead of "You do know you can disable that, right? Or are you just going to complain about stuff that is user error and blame it on the program?" "You do know you can disable that, right? Just have the host set physics to locked" would totally have been awesome.


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 grouchoben wrote:
If you can't get along with TTS, despire all the good work players have been doing, for free, to improve it, okay.

I however can strongly recommend it as a great commuity-generated way to play 40k at a distance, something that has never been more important to the community than it is now.

TTS is not free. It's 20 bucks, though you can get it for 10 most of the time. And that money does not go to the people putting all the work into the 40k assets, but to the people who are unwilling to provide a properly designed user experience or fix issues that they have been aware of for many years.

It plays well, has loads of useful tools that actually streamline the game in some ways to be faster than physical 40k, and I think every army is pretty much available for you to play for free, and some look damn awesome. After ten-thirty minutes you can play a game with a friend in lockdown, or meet new friendly players if you prefer. I dunno, I guess some people are never satisfied.

Take a step back and have a look at the rest of your gaming library and honestly answer this question: How many of those games require as much work and as much knowledge to simply play a game as TTS does?

When you look at it without rose-tinted glasses, it's a terrible piece of software, and the only reason we put up with it, is because it's the only one we have.

Jidmah when literally everyone else is saying they were able to get their head around it, does that not perhaps say more about your unwillingness or inability to do so?

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Jidmah when literally everyone else is saying they were able to get their head around it, does that not perhaps say more about your unwillingness or inability to do so?

You apparently have not read my post. Please do so instead of throwing about more ad hominem attacks.

That, or you are trying to dodge uncomfortable questions.

It's not a game released amd maintained by a professional team, it's one run by 40k fans. They've done a great job imo.

TTS has its problems, sure, but those are balanced against what it offers. I used TTS for boardgames before I used it for 40k, for example. It's a pretty good simulator with good enough graphics and some useful built-in tools, to do a lot of things pretty well. Why would i compare that to Total Warhammer, for example? They're night and day.

Is your complaint reallllly that TTS 40k isn't up to snuff compared to top-shelf strategy games released by big-name publishers? Because if it is, that's a problem of realistic expactations and, I'm afraid to say, that's a problem with you, not TTS 40k. I'm not claiming its perfect, I'm claiming (pretty uncontroversially imo) that its a pretty neat sim that lets you play 40k with your friends while everyone's in lockdown.

That's nice isn't it?

 grouchoben wrote:
Is your complaint reallllly that TTS 40k isn't up to snuff compared to top-shelf strategy games released by big-name publishers?

My complaint is that TTS 40k isn't up to snuff with bottom-shelf free strategy games that have been programmed by a single person in a garage and still charges money.

95% of the problems lie with TTS, not with the 40k content.

I don't have a problem with getting WH40k to run in there. I have a problem because the software is so gakky that the vast majority of the 40k players in my area don't want to use it. As in, almost two dozen players.
Claiming that terrible usability is a non-issue is nothing but ignorance.

I'd be interested in TTS if there were a hobby-like collection aspect to it. Like earning points that you use to buy more models and so on. Stuff like that.

 _SeeD_ wrote:
I'd be interested in TTS if there were a hobby-like collection aspect to it. Like earning points that you use to buy more models and so on. Stuff like that.

Learn to do Blender and make models that haven't yet been added, then share them for internet points.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, if you're willing to spend a little bit of time learning a new piece of software with the same learning curve as just about any other piece of software, come join us on the subreddit and discord and feel free to ask any questions. We're a friendly bunch.

I checked the OP and didn’t see these linked. Can you link to the correct subreddit and discord here? I’d love to check this out.

 Jidmah wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Is your complaint reallllly that TTS 40k isn't up to snuff compared to top-shelf strategy games released by big-name publishers?

My complaint is that TTS 40k isn't up to snuff with bottom-shelf free strategy games that have been programmed by a single person in a garage and still charges money.

95% of the problems lie with TTS, not with the 40k content.

I don't have a problem with getting WH40k to run in there. I have a problem because the software is so gakky that the vast majority of the 40k players in my area don't want to use it. As in, almost two dozen players.
Claiming that terrible usability is a non-issue is nothing but ignorance.

First time using it it took us longer to work out how to build the army than play a game, first encounter from download to finishing a game was about 6 hours I think? But that was a 2v2 and the play itself was almost quicker than real life

sieGermans wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, if you're willing to spend a little bit of time learning a new piece of software with the same learning curve as just about any other piece of software, come join us on the subreddit and discord and feel free to ask any questions. We're a friendly bunch.

I checked the OP and didn’t see these linked. Can you link to the correct subreddit and discord here? I’d love to check this out.

I don't know if the Dakka mods will allow me to post the links, so I have PM'd you.

sieGermans wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
In short, if you're willing to spend a little bit of time learning a new piece of software with the same learning curve as just about any other piece of software, come join us on the subreddit and discord and feel free to ask any questions. We're a friendly bunch.

I checked the OP and didn’t see these linked. Can you link to the correct subreddit and discord here? I’d love to check this out.

/r/TTSWarhammer40k/
discord.gg/AYDknQ

I've had TTS for quite a while and looked at the Warhammer stuff before and thought it looked interesting but always figured it would be a major pain but after using bcb's links and loading up his map? Wow that's some really impressive work!
Really looking forward to finding time to give it a try, I assume voice chat is necessary so what is the common solution?

Yeah, despite everything I said, using BCBs map is probably the one thing that removes most of the pains you have when learning TTS.
The table we used to play our first game looked like a piece of art, but was hell to play on.

I guess you could use the chat window in the game to communicate, but as with any other game, voice is much more comfortable to tell your opponent what you are doing.

There is built in voice chat on TTS, press c or v for general chat or team.

 ingtaer wrote:
There is built in voice chat on TTS, press c or v for general chat or team.

Excellent, thanks. I'd used separate apps before.

My group did some rounds on TTS and it's really nice.
I still need to find some 3D Models for some armies, that I want to play, but TTS saves my sanity within those times...

Can someone update the invite link please


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So, what trends are people noticing in terms of lists and armies etc since they've been using TTS? Are marines still looking dominant? Have ravenguard taken over from iron hands as some speculated they could?
I've seen surprising amounts of sisters but I'm not sure if it's just people trying them out because it's so much easier to play around with lists or if they're going to be a growing presence in the game.
It may be because I've not managed to get many games in since I'm still working and have only been looking for casual games while I get used to TTS and play around with lists.

I am going on the assumption this thread should be used for TTS discussion rather than making a new threads.

So Phubar and I have worked on some very tasty enhancements for the my base map. It now has a dice spawner and scripts that let you more easily select or delete rows of dice(e.g. select all 1's to re-roll them, delete all 3 and below so you can roll to wound). In the works are a phase by phase turn tracker (as opposed to the current turn by turn) and full bubble range checking meshes for each base size. I hopefully this weekend will try and make a few tutorial videos explaining how to get started and get everything working.

If you want to join the community and contact myself or others, feel free to join us on Discord https://discord.gg/neuautf

I'm surprised GW hasn't shut this down already? FFG have started doing it so its probably only matter of time.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I'm surprised GW hasn't shut this down already? FFG have started doing it so its probably only matter of time.

Where did you hear that FFG have shut this down? None of the three games I play have been on either TTS or Vassal.