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I'm looking forward to it still, I like the direction the rules have gone in, and Crusade sounds promising.

My small group consist of Harlequins, Custodes, Death Guard, and AdMech...and even though they all came out of the points and recent rules better than my Drukhari boys, I don't have to worry about the marine madness.

The rules for my army are fun to play with, and I am enjoying the army very much, even when it takes much longer to get a game now. Comparing to 8th ed, 9th is heaven. Games are fun, I don't feel as if my units do nothing. Halabards and swords are actualy a valid option. Termintors and Paladins are good, and have mechanics and rules that support them.

Against non-Marine armies I wouldn't/don't mind playing games casually. In that respect it's still mediocre 40k but at least you can have a decent time. The overall imbalances between non-Marine armies isn't too bad overall, at least it's certainly been much worse. Of course this time - and since 8th 2.0 - it isn't isolated Tau and Eldar players, but the majority of the playerbase, WAAC or casual, who you might as well pull up a sleeping bag and take a snooze whilst their reroll bubbles get it over with. To that end, no, I don't see myself really playing 40k until at least the GSC 'dex hopefully fixes things somewhat, though I won't hold my breath. Of course it's entirely possible Codex Creep will just do it's usual thing and by the time we get to the and of the update 'dexes that the curve has swung in another, hilariously imbalanced direction.

 bullyboy wrote:
Likewise, not going to change my game playing experience, but I will feel that I'm not truly playing 9th yet. Pretty sure I've heard the TT boys say the same thing, that it will feel great when it all gets here. Just how long is that going to be? Who knows.

The people who's livelihoods and freebies rely on encouraging people to play 40k tell us it'll get better, imagine that.

I havent fealt like playing regular 40k in a long time. Never less so than now.

GW needs to emphasise some necron buff or planned xenos buffs, assuming there are any. I feel like it would settle a lot of angry people. Not all, butsome.

 Sim-Life wrote:
GW needs to emphasise some necron buff or planned xenos buffs, assuming there are any. I feel like it would settle a lot of angry people. Not all, butsome.

Maybe GW feels that Xenos is neglectable at some point.
Loyal Marines are the driving force of 40k and most of the sales.

Just returned to the game in 9th after stopping playing 40K early into 8th due to having more fun in other games. ( AOS, Warmachine , SW Legions and Fallout).

Despite not being to field my Elysian Army, my Mech. Guard is into its 11th game of the new edition and I am enjoying the game once again, multiple minus to hit was a soul destroyer in 8th for me and the news this system was going got me dusting off the 40K figures. Cant see me entering local Tournaments until after the next Chapter Approved if at all, but in a relaxed setting with mates or family the rule set its an improvement over 8th especially at lower points.

My only real complaint is massive imbalances in the relative strength of certain Armies stratagems now we can all get the same number of CP, a factor that isn't accounted for in the army points and personally I cant see how you would manage to balance this and I agree with the sentiment that Xenos and Chaos need some love.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Against non-Marine armies I wouldn't/don't mind playing games casually. In that respect it's still mediocre 40k but at least you can have a decent time. The overall imbalances between non-Marine armies isn't too bad overall, at least it's certainly been much worse. Of course this time - and since 8th 2.0 - it isn't isolated Tau and Eldar players, but the majority of the playerbase, WAAC or casual, who you might as well pull up a sleeping bag and take a snooze whilst their reroll bubbles get it over with. To that end, no, I don't see myself really playing 40k until at least the GSC 'dex hopefully fixes things somewhat, though I won't hold my breath. Of course it's entirely possible Codex Creep will just do it's usual thing and by the time we get to the and of the update 'dexes that the curve has swung in another, hilariously imbalanced direction.

 bullyboy wrote:
Likewise, not going to change my game playing experience, but I will feel that I'm not truly playing 9th yet. Pretty sure I've heard the TT boys say the same thing, that it will feel great when it all gets here. Just how long is that going to be? Who knows.

The people who's livelihoods and freebies rely on encouraging people to play 40k tell us it'll get better, imagine that.

You mean the same people who blatantly say that the game is bad right now due to janky points in Munitorum manual...those guys? Out of all the online personae, these guys seem to be the most genuine.

It's a new edition, things change, welcome to 40K. If you think this is new for GW... I'll assure you it's not. GW has been doing this since Rogue Trader days. New edition means new rules and new codexes.

I'm looking forward to playing 9th, still haven't gotten any games because of quarantine. But I'm pretty annoyed at some of the trends at the moment, so I'm basically in a holding pattern to see how things shape up.

Right now I have more of an itch to play 2nd ed, where non-marine troops can threaten them with their guns. Lasguns with AP -1, Shuriken Catapults with AP-2 and 24" range. Plus no aura rerolls.

ERJAK wrote:
DG are one of the better armies in the game overall right now. If you can't at least hold your own, that's on you not on them.

Eh. I got murdered my first game with 9th ed DG because my army wasn't equipped to handle the mission properly and severe mistake in regards to Look out Sir! and coherency made my arch-contaminator first blood. Lessons were learned, but it's really easy to lose the game with DG if you don't bring the right tools or not play the mission properly - both incredibly easy things to do in your first game of a new edition.

It's an urban myth that DG can faceroll themselves to victory in 9th, I have yet to see data to support that myth.

With COVID still going on for the indefinite future, the oddities in the CA2020 points release, and the seemingly constant rules and stat changes, I have lost interest in 9th and will likely sit it out most of this edition. A bit of a shame considering I like most of the changes to the core rules, especially detachments/CP. But I figure by the time most armies get their updated codex and stats/rules changes, they will release 10th anyway.

That being said, I have been enjoying Apocalypse and Kill Team more than 8th/9th, so I don't consider my writing off of 9th to be a big loss. I've also been dabbling in 4th/5th edition rules again and enjoying that for home games.

 Tamwulf wrote:
It's a new edition, things change, welcome to 40K. If you think this is new for GW... I'll assure you it's not. GW has been doing this since Rogue Trader days. New edition means new rules and new codexes.

While what you say is true, the sort of shake-up we seem to be expecting around the time the SM Codex drops is unusual for within a "normal" edition - and in during the "game-changer" editions (2nd, 3rd, 8th) every got a rewritten army list at the start of the edition.

GW definitely seem to be making some questionable choices with how they've deployed 9th.

 Blackie wrote:
Primaris armies aside, 40k is quite balanced at the moment IMHO.

The funny thing is, the new changes barely affect primaris. A few vehicle guns will get a boost, but the wound and weapon changes mostly affect old marines.

I'll be honest, I was already cold on the changes 9th edition was bringing.

To me it seemed like nothing more than a glorified errata, with all the major problems of 8th left entirely untouched.

And then GW followed up by changing point costs with zero thought.

And now we start the edition with Marines - already the most buffed faction in 8th - getting even more buffs.

I'd say my enthusiasm had dropped but I'm not sure it can even get any lower at this point.

Arbitrator wrote:Against non-Marine armies I wouldn't/don't mind playing games casually. In that respect it's still mediocre 40k but at least you can have a decent time. The overall imbalances between non-Marine armies isn't too bad overall, at least it's certainly been much worse. Of course this time - and since 8th 2.0 - it isn't isolated Tau and Eldar players, but the majority of the playerbase, WAAC or casual, who you might as well pull up a sleeping bag and take a snooze whilst their reroll bubbles get it over with. To that end, no, I don't see myself really playing 40k until at least the GSC 'dex hopefully fixes things somewhat, though I won't hold my breath. Of course it's entirely possible Codex Creep will just do it's usual thing and by the time we get to the and of the update 'dexes that the curve has swung in another, hilariously imbalanced direction.

 bullyboy wrote:
Likewise, not going to change my game playing experience, but I will feel that I'm not truly playing 9th yet. Pretty sure I've heard the TT boys say the same thing, that it will feel great when it all gets here. Just how long is that going to be? Who knows.

The people who's livelihoods and freebies rely on encouraging people to play 40k tell us it'll get better, imagine that.

bullyboy wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Against non-Marine armies I wouldn't/don't mind playing games casually. In that respect it's still mediocre 40k but at least you can have a decent time. The overall imbalances between non-Marine armies isn't too bad overall, at least it's certainly been much worse. Of course this time - and since 8th 2.0 - it isn't isolated Tau and Eldar players, but the majority of the playerbase, WAAC or casual, who you might as well pull up a sleeping bag and take a snooze whilst their reroll bubbles get it over with. To that end, no, I don't see myself really playing 40k until at least the GSC 'dex hopefully fixes things somewhat, though I won't hold my breath. Of course it's entirely possible Codex Creep will just do it's usual thing and by the time we get to the and of the update 'dexes that the curve has swung in another, hilariously imbalanced direction.

 bullyboy wrote:
Likewise, not going to change my game playing experience, but I will feel that I'm not truly playing 9th yet. Pretty sure I've heard the TT boys say the same thing, that it will feel great when it all gets here. Just how long is that going to be? Who knows.

The people who's livelihoods and freebies rely on encouraging people to play 40k tell us it'll get better, imagine that.

You mean the same people who blatantly say that the game is bad right now due to janky points in Munitorum manual...those guys? Out of all the online personae, these guys seem to be the most genuine.

poison dart frogs seem cute and cuddly.

I'm excited to get my first game in and cant wait to see what my Bloody Rose & Flawless Host get in their codex.

I'm probably not playing much with my Deathwatch or CSM until the stat changes drop (there are too many units that are crap now that might get to be good then), and probably not playing much with my Necrons until their Codex appears, but I've still got the Custodians that kind of work right now.

I'll worry about it after a few games. Until then, the only thing dissuading me from the game are all the people who are, yet again, whining and moaning before the changes even hit.

Honestly, as long as Marines aren't part of the equation, the game's pretty fun at a casual level.

I was actually getting very disenchanted with the hype and uncertainty and the agonizing drip-feed of information that has constituted the last 3 or 4 months, but as with reality, the key to sanity is to stop following the news closely with every tidbit and analysis piece that gets released and wallow in blissful ignorance. I'm choosing not to think of the seismic changes evidently happening in a few months that will inevitably be done in stages leaving the game less balanced than a Jenga tower in a tumble dryer, but hey, who knows where it'll shake out when it's done? Marines might get an overall nerf if they lose Doctrines and get more points raises. If the staggering releases are disparate enough, then we try not to pair off new and old codexes (And I count Marines among the new, for the moment) until everyone has their stuff.

Now, granted, A) This is nothing remotely approaching an ideal state for the game; I should not feel exhausted dread reading game news like I'd dread reading real news, and I'm merely saying it's possible to have fun with the current rules, and B) It is far easier for me to be complacent since my actual games are being conducted in Tabletop Simulator, where your army can change at a whim, and I'm painting 3D-printed furry Emperor's Children mostly as a fun hobby project. I can very reasonably just ask that someone stop playing Marines against relative newbies the way one might ask someone to stop using a broken fighting game character, because they didn't spend hundreds of dollars and hours putting them on the table; they spent minutes picking models from a virtual gallery.

If you're stuck with a model collection that's getting pelted with feces-grade rules at the moment and is likely to stay so decorated for months to come, and your hobby area of choice is in a Marine-heavy physical materium... then your lack of enthusiasm is justified, because it sounds like things may get worse before they get better.

so, just reading the posts, there are like 4 people that are still playing, 5 if I am included among that number?

Everyone here seems to be going nuts about the new marine codex. I don't think this changes things up that much. If the basic marine goes to two wounds, and a tactical marine then cost 18 points, I don't think it changes the balance much in the game, since we already have 19 and 20 point primaris intercessors with better basic weapons.

Its also worth mentioning that many games have shake ups with new editions. I wont even begin to get into what happened with malifaux or infinity at edition changes, or god forbid Warmachine and Hordes, where skorne had to be redesigned from the ground up, I mean, it happens. Give things some time to shake out.

already, we are beginning to see tournament results where Drukhari, Sisters + IF, Orks, Salamanders, and even Space Wolves have won events, and the top 3 slots in those events are pretty varied between factions.

Point is this: the game is probably much better balanced than people think or would ever give it credit, and only time will tell.

I'm not, as I'm currently involved in a threeway Crusade (Salamanders / Mephrit Necrons / Kronos Tyranids) and having an absolute blast.

Hive Fleet Kronos have descended upon an Imperial World and the Salamanders managed to come to the aid of the local PDF before it was too late.
Unbeknownst to everyone fighting on the surface, the planet is also a tomb world of the Mephrit Dynasty, and the Necrons are now waking up amidst all the ruckus and is about to tell everyone else to get off their lawn.

40k is what you make it. Don't play with donkeycaves and you'll enjoy it far more.

It depends how things shake out. I can definitely foresee the possibility that the game may de facto fragment into games between 8th edition codex factions that haven't been inflated yet, and the post-inflation 9th edition armies with their codexes.

On the other hand, GW could surprise us all and actually deliver a SM codex (let's be honest, most people don't really care how the Necron one turns out) that isn't overpowered and doesn't inflate them into something that 8th edition codex factions can't compete with.

I will keep on hobbying along with stuff I want for hobby reasons, but I'm certainly not buying anything for competitive reasons until we see how things shake out.

The core rules are solid enough, probably a step up on 8th overall even if some pieces of them feel badly thought out. I do think the missions and particularly the secondaries are going to need and will see some significant changes, but that's nothing new.

I’ve enjoyed my first two games, and am quite happy with the core rules so far.

I'd say I'm looking forward to playing it.
There's increasing talk of getting a Crusade going. Right now it's a bit vague as not everyones even gotten the 9th ed book yet.
One guy (completely new to 40k) is really excited & has just started assembling his Indom set yesterday.
Another guy (also completely new) intends to do Orks. He's got the books but doesn't own anything yet model wise.
So we vets figure we've got about a month before anything gets started.

Me?
I was kicking around the idea of doing a Tyranid/GSC Crusade force. So bought some new stuff for my GSC.
Also kicked around the idea of Orks as the Goff Rokkas now have rules in WD.
I briefly considered my Khorne Demons.
But really? In all likely-hood I'm going to field my SW. Unless I get a 9e game in before the Crusade begins.

Why the SW? Because my SW have been at the tip of the spear in every edition for me (except 7th, wich was an error on my part as I wasn't aware 7th had dropped). So they'll lead the charge again.

Not sure what to play at the moment.
We're playing 8th-ed armies with the fresh and new 9th-ed rule book.
It would have been better to release the first 9th-ed codices right from the start of the 9th.
Releasing the SM and Necron codices in Oct is a bit late if you ask me.

I mean they are shaking the game up pretty hard core. Profiles needed a redesign, which is what we are looking at now. I doubt GW is going to make the game any more marine sided than it is already, not for a long period of time. Besides, points values and what not might be updated to accommodate these changes. The concept of a complete overhaul of unit profiles makes me excited about the new edition. I know that I might be setting myself up for disappointment but I really want this to work out.

I was very, very excited for 9th when they were first talking about the new rules. The haphazard points changes, the botched FAQs, and the sweeping update to SM makes me feel like it's half-baked. Puts a pretty big damper on my enthusiasm.

I like where the edition is going, but it really feels like they should have held off for a few more months - or highlighted their new app by giving everyone new Index rules, rather than making massive changes one army at a time.

 Jidmah wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
DG are one of the better armies in the game overall right now. If you can't at least hold your own, that's on you not on them.

Eh. I got murdered my first game with 9th ed DG because my army wasn't equipped to handle the mission properly and severe mistake in regards to Look out Sir! and coherency made my arch-contaminator first blood. Lessons were learned, but it's really easy to lose the game with DG if you don't bring the right tools or not play the mission properly - both incredibly easy things to do in your first game of a new edition.

It's an urban myth that DG can faceroll themselves to victory in 9th, I have yet to see data to support that myth.

So basically what you're saying is that you couldn't hold your own and it was due to your own mistakes, rather than any inherent flaw in the army?

Because that's what Isaid. YOU said 'faceroll win with DG'. That's not at all what I said.


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 Blackie wrote:
Primaris armies aside, 40k is quite balanced at the moment IMHO.

The funny thing is, the new changes barely affect primaris. A few vehicle guns will get a boost, but the wound and weapon changes mostly affect old marines.

Also, primaris armies are largely mediocre. Intercessors, Aggressors and Eradicators are great. The rest range from decent to poor.

Now it's a good time to get the hang of the missions before the big stat change.

Did a couple of games already and they were fun.

Just watched the latest WC podcast with Stu Black, where he teased that a lot of the new codexes should be out "6 to 7 months from now". So given this bit of info and considering I'm in lockdown until the covid vaccines arrive, I can hold out just fine, and recon by the time I can finally leave the house, most statline revisions will already be in play.

In the meantime, I got plenty of building and painting to do.. more than enough to keep me busy!