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geargutz wrote:

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 posermcbogus wrote:
Gonna buck the trend of snooty asshats circlejerking about how they don't care that GW is pushing another member of the community out of the hobby (very classy, gents, hope you're all having wonderful days) to say that I feel you, dude.

You certainly aren't the only person exasperated by the 40k release cycle. A lot of people are feeling burned out by GW's focus, and the way they are churning through pretty flavorless content right now.
I hope you'll be able to find some path to come back into the hobby eventually my dude, even if it is in a slightly different way, as it seems like you have a lot of passion for the setting and the stylings of 40k. Take care, friend, and don't listen to the guys above. More than one of them is pretty much just a consumate troll, and there are a couple of dedicated whiteknights who think GW can do no wrong. I'd miss them less than someone with your enthusiasm.

Thank goodness there's still a few sane 40k players left. it helps to know that I'm not alone.

I knew it was about time i quit the hobby when most people just didn't care about GWs abuse anymore. they have been conditioned to consume with little complaint. thats why i know it wont ever change and it will only get worse from here, because GW knows they can have a revolving door or consumers who dont care and will spend money willy nilly at the next shiny release.

I thought it was bad in 7th, and it was realy bad, but this new singular focus on the newmarines has realy brought the hobby through muck it probably will never leave. a year from now ill check back and i wouldn't be surprised to see that the model line of mahreens outnumbers every other factions unit counts combined. it will have turned into 30k 2.0, just marines fighting different colored marines (with the occasional bone thrown to xenos when the SM need to punch something that isnt another SM or CSM).

Oh good God another one that thinks they (& everyone else) is being abused by the evil toy company....
You need professional help.

That's unpleasant and disingenuous. The OP is obviously just expressing normal customer dissatisfaction, nowhere have they claimed they are being abused or anything like it.

geargutz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
A book?

Not dedicated to your preferred army?

Those children born outside of holy matrimony!

let me write a campaign book about the tau sector...but not include the tau in the conflict.

let me write a campaign book about the eye of terror, but not involve the CSM or demons.

let me write a campaign book about horus heresy or terra, but not include a single space marine or primarch or imperial.

Book about Metallica (Forgeworld, not the overrated metal band).

Book more specifically about Metallica’s (Forgeworld, not the overrated metal band) defenders fighting off the predations of the forces of Nurgle.

Book more specifically about Metallica’s (Forgeworld, not the overrated metal band) defenders fighting off the predations of the forces of Nurgle no mean Orks removed from the Charadon Sector.

Ork still there. Book no do what you think book do.

Book volume 1. That mean book first book, not only book. Number indicate a starting position.

GW also show off forthcoming Ork model. First tease rumour engine while back. That mean Orks coming. In due course. Chance high Orks of Charadon sector get involved.

 Da Boss wrote:
That's unpleasant and disingenuous. The OP is obviously just expressing normal customer dissatisfaction, nowhere have they claimed they are being abused or anything like it.

Erm...

geargutz wrote:
I knew it was about time i quit the hobby when most people just didn't care about GWs abuse anymore. they have been conditioned to consume with little complaint. thats why i know it wont ever change and it will only get worse from here, because GW knows they can have a revolving door or consumers who dont care and will spend money willy nilly at the next shiny release.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Ork still there. Book no do what you think book do.

Book volume 1. That mean book first book, not only book. Number indicate a starting position.

GW also show off forthcoming Ork model. First tease rumour engine while back. That mean Orks coming. In due course. Chance high Orks of Charadon sector get involved.

Mad Doc Grotsnik thinks that ironically sounding like a caveman makes him sound intelligent. but you know what, you convinced me, how wrong was i. all those things i complained about mean nothing.

thats a mighty fine delicious looking blue pill. jack me back into the matrix, i cant wait to gargle whatever table scraps GW blasts over my face.

thankyou Mad Doc Grotsnik, im glad you showed me the way of being a true consumerist whore.

end sarcasm

i swear, its GW apologists that helped bury my enthusiasm for this hobby in the grave.

That’s not ironic. It was sarcasm and mickey taking.

By all means, please do drop the hobby, as it’s clear you’re determined to be as upset as possible when a new release isn’t for your chosen force.

As for your choice of words, I pay GW for my plastic crack. Not the other way around. Therefore your silly choice of word is inaccurate.

The invasion of the Death Guard into Charadon is also talked about in the latest White Dwarf, as the Flash Point deals with the invasion of the Alumax System in that sector.

Backwater sector, which believes it's been neglected after getting no help dealing with the constant Ork attacks gets just obliterated by the Death Guard and Chaos Space Marine allies.

Only factions are Astra Millitarum, Death Guard, Chaos Marines, and a bit of Admech.

It's a big place, and although Orks are not present at the moment, the effects of them being around is felt.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s not ironic. It was sarcasm and mickey taking.

By all means, please do drop the hobby, as it’s clear you’re determined to be as upset as possible when a new release isn’t for your chosen force.

As for your choice of words, I pay GW for my plastic crack. Not the other way around. Therefore your silly choice of word is inaccurate.

quick lesson before i go to bed.

if you were being "sarcastic" then you didnt mean a thing you said. but im assuming you actually think me stupid, so you were trying to sound like a caveman because you think im a caveman. thats called "mockery".

but you are trying to sound smarter then me by talking to me like a caveman, the thats "ironic" because it makes you sound slowed. only the most unlikable donkey-caves in IRL and fiction do the whole "ill talk to them with stupid speech so they understand". but i guess i shouldn't have expected more form someone who doesn't care for fellow 40k players. donkey-caves will be donkey-caves.

also, a consumerist whore is not someone who gets money, its someone who gives money to anything that is presented them....

how is it that the person trying to sound smart by sounding dumb is even dumber then me...fascinating.

probably wont get back to this conversation (probably wont be back on dakkadakka for another few years.. or ever, there's little here worth talking about when my interest in the hobby is dead). my weekend is over and gotta go back to work, and despite one or 2 hopeful posters this sight is riddled with the GW apologists who are very vocal. not gonna get much more from here.

 jaredb wrote:
The invasion of the Death Guard into Charadon is also talked about in the latest White Dwarf, as the Flash Point deals with the invasion of the Alumax System in that sector.

Backwater sector, which believes it's been neglected after getting no help dealing with the constant Ork attacks gets just obliterated by the Death Guard and Chaos Space Marine allies.

Only factions are Astra Millitarum, Death Guard, Chaos Marines, and a bit of Admech.

It's a big place, and although Orks are not present at the moment, the effects of them being around is felt.

Small nitpick but it is planet -> system -> subsector -> sector. As laid out in BFG. The average sector is a cube of space 200 light years on each side.

So yes, Charadon could be really big, so I wouldn't write off the Orks just yet.

"Anyone who disagrees with me is a GW apologist" is a wild take. Also, comparing a company and consumers to domestic abuse, very classy.

Funnily enough, space is pretty big and a sector of space covers a huge amount of territory. Metalica is in Charadon. The Death Guard have a new base in Ultima Segmentum. Charadon is in Ultima Segmentum. Both DG and Admech were getting new codexes around the campaign book's release. And just to reiterate what everyone else has said, it's Book 1.
The entitlement is suffocating.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
That's unpleasant and disingenuous. The OP is obviously just expressing normal customer dissatisfaction, nowhere have they claimed they are being abused or anything like it.

Erm...

Fair cop, I missed that while reading the thread. That's definitely hyperbolic. GW producing products I don't want to buy is not abuse, that's a definite misuse of the term. Mea Culpa.

I think its funny that any player could look at the lore produced over the last 5 years and say 'I want some of that for my faction!'

The orks - they fought and lost but ultimately had a bloody good time. Paste that in to the end of ya book mate and you're golden.

The sheer audacity of an ork player to expect a sector known only for it's orks to include orks in the campaign book

Cronch wrote:
The sheer audacity of an ork player to expect a sector known only for it's orks to include orks in the campaign book

Warzone Charadon - Act 1

Psychic Awakening was all about the Great Rift, which was created primarily by Abaddon....yet Chaos didn't feature in the first PA book....oh the abuse.

If only we had been given a fairly detailed rundown of what to expect back when the "Decadence and Decay" preview show had happened!

We've known that Book I focuses on the outskirts of the Charadon sector, not Charadon itself.

geargutz wrote:

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SemperMortis wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Cheex wrote:
"Charadon" is a big place - it's a whole sector, not just the planet (or even the intersellar Ork empire) of the same name. "Act I" is a fair indication that there's more to come.

This. There really isn't anything else to discuss...

Sure... let me know when they write "The Book of Spite" or some such nonsense, and it takes place in the Sol Sector and is a battle between Orkz, Tau and Nidz.

Its ok that the Imperium isn't mentioned, its only book 1, i'm sure they will be there for book 2. Sol is a big place, its a whole sector, not just a system or a planet or even an interstellar Human Empire.

this, so much this, i dont understand why the GW apologists dont get how ridiculous this scenario sounds.

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 Jidmah wrote:
Any we both know that even if that book were written, you would open a thread complaining about orks didn't fully destroy terra without a single casualty and slaughter the entire Imperium to the last person.

i havent been active on dakka dakka for years because of this 40k droppoff of mine (the major disappointments started in 7th, and 8th didnt help, and 9th is nothing encouraging), and i doubt i would even comment about the new book, as i am not gonna buy the book. GW doesn't care about my faction, thus i dont care about a book that they have previewed seems to have nothing to do with my faction.

Im zoggin done with GW.

I changed my opinion. Sell your orks, please.

No seriously, we had a book where orks handed the space wolves their furry asses, driving them out of the sector with nothing but massive losses to show and we had thread over thread whining about how Ragnar is a nobody and shouldn't have a chance of scratching Thrakka and how bad marine favoritism was.

geargutz wrote:thats a mighty fine delicious looking blue pill. jack me back into the matrix, i cant wait to gargle whatever table scraps GW blasts over my face.

thankyou Mad Doc Grotsnik, im glad you showed me the way of being a true consumerist whore.

Congratulations. I just lost any sympathy I might have had for your stance. Well done.

Gert wrote:"Anyone who disagrees with me is a GW apologist" is a wild take. Also, comparing a company and consumers to domestic abuse, very classy.

Yeah, good lord there's some genuinely disturbing views some people are holding here.

This just happens to be a fight taking place in the VERY large Charadon sector. Not *all* of Charadon is Ork territory, in the same way that not everything on the Eastern Fringe involves Tau or Ultramarines, or that everything in the Cadian Gate involves Cadians (for example, Waaagh! Tuska). It's a focus on a small region of Charadon, where Metalica happens to be located, because that's the focus of this particular Act. And, almost without a shadow of a doubt, there will be other Acts that feature Orks.

So, no, GW aren't "writing Orks out of Charadon", or whatever other exaggerated clickbait title it was.

(Side note, yes, xenos players have my fullest sympathies. But misrepresenting information, comparing your situation to domestic abuse, and calling people whores won't do you any favours. To those of you who can show their frustrations without resorting to such vile language, I'm sorry these people often represent you, and I recognise that the spectrum of opinon extends beyond that.)

It's people like geargutz that have kept me off forums for years. I don't take kindly to having insults hurled at me because I can look at multiple points of view or because I disagree with someone about a game of toy soldiers.

To be fair, he didn't start the insults in this thread. It was a typical "angry at GW" post, but it was other posters in the thread who brought the personal unpleasantness. A bunch of people piled on a guy who was clearly upset, hoping to provoke a reaction, and they got it. This thread is not a very good advertisement of the community all around.

I mean, chat gak get banged. It's not like the posters Geargutz is responding to have entirely clean hands here, is it?

Given how many companies are producing 'not Orks' these days it doesn't make much sense for GW to support them.

I dunno, that strikes me as more of a chicken and the egg sort of thing. It shows there's a demand that GW isn't fulfilling, and I suspect if they did, most of that business would come back to papa GW.

Besides, 90% of that stuff is just bits anyway, so it's not like it really impacts GW's bottom line anyway. GW doesn't care if people buy 3rd party heads or bionic arms or whatever as long as they buy the basic GW kits to swap them onto.

Maybe? There's only so many Orks someone can (yes, heresy, I'm aware) and I suspect quite a bit of that demand is satisfied. Rather than chicken and egg it's more like egg and entropy in that you can't uncrack an egg.

On the other hand, what do I know? I have enough Orks.

He created a clickbait thread and got mad when people disagreed with his POV or dismissed it as a rant. He implied anyone who doesn't have a full-blown hatred for a toy soldier company is insane. He also called people apologists and compared a company to a domestic abuser. I don't care if I get called a "GW simp/apologist" because those are meaningless but the domestic abuse comparison is way out of line for a discussion on, once again, toy soldiers. If you can't have a discussion about toy soldiers without hurling insults and making vile comparisons then maybe don't get involved, likewise, if you have, as the OP says, "a seething hatred" for a game/company then stop associating with it.

I get the frustration of not getting what you want but at no point is GW abusing you. They provide a product and you are free to ignore it or buy it. I mean, I've dropped out of buying a lot of stuff because of the plethora of Space Marines, but at no point do I feel like GW is abusing me. Abusing someone is a very serious act and it shows a clear lack of understanding to compare "you not getting what you are wishing for" from a company to abuse.

It wasn't a clickbait thread, it was an angry rant. A clickbait thread is a troll to get a rise out of people. He wasn't trying to bait you or anyone else, he was just angry and venting. People responded to it by goading him into a meltdown, which he seemed happy to oblige with. It isn't a great look for either side.

I think the grandstanding over the term "abuse" is a silly, too. He didn't make an analogy to domestic abuse or anything like it unless I missed it, he just used the term, which has a very broad meaning (e.g. "abusing someone's trust," "he verbally abused the waiter for delivering cold food," etc etc). Is it hyperbolic to describe GW as abusing its customers? Yeah, probably. But it shouldn't surprise anyone that someone indulging in an angry rant is being hyperbolic. It's a bit of a straw man to talk about how it's so beyond the pale to make a comparison he didn't actually make, and it doesn't help the discussion any more than the original hyperbole.

If you're going to be oh so serious about this than getting that angry about such a thing is not healthy at all, and it is unlikely it is really the game the person is actually angry at. Maybe it's hyperbole in which case the person is rightly mocked or they are being honest in which case..honestly..they need help.

I think implying someone is mentally ill because they went off on one about their hobby is a in poor taste myself.

Just so it's clear I'm not implying anything like mental illness.
All I'm saying is if you hate doing something, stop doing it and don't demonise others who keep doing it.
I used to get angry all the time about GW practices but in the long run, it really doesn't matter to the point where you feel the need to insult strangers.
Plus a thread titled "GW are writing the orks out of charadon", is as clickbaity as they come when you're trying to get attention.