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2021/03/08 02:56:40
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
maybe im late to an old argument, or maybe no one else has noticed, but GW does not care for orks in the slightest.
they are doing this "warzone charadon" campaign, but not a single mention of the orks as a faction.....like they dont realize THE ONLY THING CHARADON IS KNOWN FOR IS ORKS!!!!
the ork pyromaniac position of "arch arsonist" was a fun part of ork lore. hes been tossed aside.
maybe GW should set the next campaign book in the octarious sector...and not mention the orks and tyranids. no one seems to care unless it has new models for spez mahreens or other imperial factions.
for my own sanity, am i not alone in this realization, or this seething anger toward GW?
adendum
i pretty much dropped out of this hobby after they introduced the new ghaz. i didnt buy the model since im not made out of money and wasnt willing to buy a whole box set just to get ghaz (honestly, it feels like loot boxes, with paying wale prices just to get the one rare drop). but i bought the ork and space wolves faction book, it had decent rules, but the lore was utter trash, nothing worth gleaming from the self felation that is GW stroking the ego of spez mahreens. i guess i was holding out the smallest sliver of hope for the next ork release, but when i found it weird that the latest GW weekly video mentioned a charadon campaign book, but suspiciously without any ork iconography on the cover, i dug deeper to find that it is not intended for an epic fight between orks and whatever odd imperial faction. its just a campaign book taking imperial factions vs some chaos and xenos that have absolutely nothing to do with charadon. this is the straw that breaks the back of being an ork player. maybe if i was in the hobby before 7th edition i would've realized earlier GW never really cared, they just wanted orks to be the random punching bag seen at the game table. my interest in this hobby is broken, and this post is the last dieing screech before i put away the plastic toys.
"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
geargutz interpretation of the 'umies "eggs in one basket"
2021/03/08 03:07:14
Subject: Re:GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
Has GW officially announced anything about the Charadon campaign book besides the name? I thought it was just rumoured to have certain factions, nothing confirmed.
2021/03/08 03:42:19
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
Gonna buck the trend of snooty asshats circlejerking about how they don't care that GW is pushing another member of the community out of the hobby (very classy, gents, hope you're all having wonderful days) to say that I feel you, dude.
You certainly aren't the only person exasperated by the 40k release cycle. A lot of people are feeling burned out by GW's focus, and the way they are churning through pretty flavorless content right now.
I hope you'll be able to find some path to come back into the hobby eventually my dude, even if it is in a slightly different way, as it seems like you have a lot of passion for the setting and the stylings of 40k. Take care, friend, and don't listen to the guys above. More than one of them is pretty much just a consumate troll, and there are a couple of dedicated whiteknights who think GW can do no wrong. I'd miss them less than someone with your enthusiasm.
2021/03/08 04:00:04
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
posermcbogus wrote: Gonna buck the trend of snooty asshats circlejerking about how they don't care that GW is pushing another member of the community out of the hobby (very classy, gents, hope you're all having wonderful days) to say that I feel you, dude.
You certainly aren't the only person exasperated by the 40k release cycle. A lot of people are feeling burned out by GW's focus, and the way they are churning through pretty flavorless content right now.
I hope you'll be able to find some path to come back into the hobby eventually my dude, even if it is in a slightly different way, as it seems like you have a lot of passion for the setting and the stylings of 40k. Take care, friend, and don't listen to the guys above. More than one of them is pretty much just a consumate troll, and there are a couple of dedicated whiteknights who think GW can do no wrong. I'd miss them less than someone with your enthusiasm.
I'd care more if ol' geargutz could figure out his shift key, how to spell whale, and didn't make a post that looks worse than something I'd have typed at age 10 (if not younger). He's just not worth more than my derision.
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2021/03/08 04:03:04
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
posermcbogus wrote: Gonna buck the trend of snooty asshats circlejerking about how they don't care that GW is pushing another member of the community out of the hobby (very classy, gents, hope you're all having wonderful days) to say that I feel you, dude.
You certainly aren't the only person exasperated by the 40k release cycle. A lot of people are feeling burned out by GW's focus, and the way they are churning through pretty flavorless content right now.
I hope you'll be able to find some path to come back into the hobby eventually my dude, even if it is in a slightly different way, as it seems like you have a lot of passion for the setting and the stylings of 40k. Take care, friend, and don't listen to the guys above. More than one of them is pretty much just a consumate troll, and there are a couple of dedicated whiteknights who think GW can do no wrong. I'd miss them less than someone with your enthusiasm.
Thank goodness there's still a few sane 40k players left. it helps to know that I'm not alone.
I knew it was about time i quit the hobby when most people just didn't care about GWs abuse anymore. they have been conditioned to consume with little complaint. thats why i know it wont ever change and it will only get worse from here, because GW knows they can have a revolving door or consumers who dont care and will spend money willy nilly at the next shiny release.
I thought it was bad in 7th, and it was realy bad, but this new singular focus on the newmarines has realy brought the hobby through muck it probably will never leave. a year from now ill check back and i wouldn't be surprised to see that the model line of mahreens outnumbers every other factions unit counts combined. it will have turned into 30k 2.0, just marines fighting different colored marines (with the occasional bone thrown to xenos when the SM need to punch something that isnt another SM or CSM).
"Charadon" is a big place - it's a whole sector, not just the planet (or even the intersellar Ork empire) of the same name. "Act I" is a fair indication that there's more to come.
GW just released Death Guard, they're about to release Drukhari, and it's a fair guess that Admech aren't far behind (since we've just seen a leak of some instructions from one of their kits, which normally comes just before a release). This book focuses on Forge World Metalica so it can focus on those factions, and is named for Charadon since it's in or near the sector.
Give it time, the fact that it's only the first book in a series means we'll almost certainly get some look at the Ork empire in the Charadon sector.
2021/03/08 05:48:32
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
Yeah, that. Its explicitly book 1 of (?). We've seen bits of an upcoming ork model already, its not unlikely that orks will be a big part of Book 2 (or 3?).
Delays, unsurprisingly, have happened. Had things been normal, we'd have a much better idea of what was going on with this warzone (and there are teasers coming this week, apparently). Once Dark Eldar finally get kicked out the door, we'll likely have an update on what's next.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2021/03/08 06:02:18
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
Most people burn out on the hobby at one point or another. You take some time off or leave and never come back, just like a lot of other things in life.
While I've been vocal about the release cycle before, the reality is it's geared towards hooking new players, not retaining existing ones. It makes sense Book of Rust would be focused on armies that have a 9th edition release (assuming DE, IK and Mech are about to get theirs.)
If you want something to cheer you up, have faith in GW's return policy. That is designed to retain customers. Take anything you haven't built and send it back for store credit. If you have a receipt, they will give you your money back.
If you want to take it to another level, buy heavily discounted NIB stuff with free shipping from eBay and return it to GW for full value. Done right, you could get your hands on a brand new Ghaz dirt cheap and paint him while you wait for Book 2, which will almost certainly include Orks.
Cheex wrote: "Charadon" is a big place - it's a whole sector, not just the planet (or even the intersellar Ork empire) of the same name. "Act I" is a fair indication that there's more to come.
GW just released Death Guard, they're about to release Drukhari, and it's a fair guess that Admech aren't far behind (since we've just seen a leak of some instructions from one of their kits, which normally comes just before a release). This book focuses on Forge World Metalica so it can focus on those factions, and is named for Charadon since it's in or near the sector.
Give it time, the fact that it's only the first book in a series means we'll almost certainly get some look at the Ork empire in the Charadon sector.
While I give you credit for the fact that you point out that this is only "book 1" i do feel it should have included Orkz in the 1st book since...orkz are the most famous race in Charadon.
Alright, why all the hate ? If people really don't care he's fed up and leaving why make it a point to be a gak head and belittle him on the way out ? I know it's " cool " to hate and be like " Whatever, later ya'll " to him but really, why ?
He didn't ask for your sympathy or you to rise up and burn down GWHQ, or quit with him. I guess I'm just wondering why click on it, read it just to place jerky responses about how you don't care someone is let down, upset and pondering heavily leaving the hobby. Oh and also tie in a persons worth to their ability to write, can't forget that one.
If you really don't care, you know the best way to show it ? Just not comment and let it be. Why place hate just for internet golf claps for how much you don't care but care enough to read it and comment ?
I'm not always the most positive person but I think it's sad when anyone feels this way. It's sad that GW fixation on marines can lead people to feel like an after thought and honestly I don't think he's the only one. I'm sure most DE players feel done as poorly with all their unit removals and nothing put to fill the gap for years on years now.
To the OP I get where you are coming from. All I can say is be sure you want to bounce. At this point beyond a shadow of doubt you need to settle in to the fact it's a marines world and everyone else is just living in it. It makes it easier if you have a couple armies at least then if one gets the cold shoulder you have another that should still be alright.
Who knows why GW does what they do. Try not to let it get to you though. Other people see it, suffer through it and go on. GW is far from a perfect caretaker of their own system and seems often just to worship the cash but then it is a company, in the end, live or die that is all they cared about. It helps as well if you realize they don't care about any of us aside from the money they want from us.
In closing, the hobby and game isn't about what they do, it's about who you play with. Your own personal friends and games, screw what GW does or doesn't do. If the game was you play it and experience it with friends is bad, then walk away. Otherwise try and hang tough ride out the frustration. Other people do understand the frustration though.
2021/03/08 08:18:57
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
To the OP I get where you are coming from. All I can say is be sure you want to bounce. At this point beyond a shadow of doubt you need to settle in to the fact it's a marines world and everyone else is just living in it. It makes it easier if you have a couple armies at least then if one gets the cold shoulder you have another that should still be alright.
Who knows why GW does what they do. Try not to let it get to you though. Other people see it, suffer through it and go on. GW is far from a perfect caretaker of their own system and seems often just to worship the cash but then it is a company, in the end, live or die that is all they cared about. It helps as well if you realize they don't care about any of us aside from the money they want from us.
In closing, the hobby and game isn't about what they do, it's about who you play with. Your own personal friends and games, screw what GW does or doesn't do. If the game was you play it and experience it with friends is bad, then walk away. Otherwise try and hang tough ride out the frustration. Other people do understand the frustration though.
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thankyou for the understanding.
ill admit i wont ever sell my models, i play orks so practically all my models are customized and are as much an expression of my imagination as my art. its just the old boys are all destined for the storage container or shelf, never to realy see play as most of those models are very hard to find game types that easily slot in massive armies with a wide variety of vehicles.
i once considered just running my orks as counts as space marines, but that felt wrong in its own demented way (kinda like giving up and skinning the orks and having SM wear the rotting flesh).
i tried having fun games, but with this health scare its been hard to meet for games, friends i mainly played with moved away, and after trying to play with them on tabletop simulator it felt like a soulless version of 40k...not able to play with my custom models made the tedium of rolling dice just unrewarding.
i have thought about just inventing a new game thats very simple to play (thus easy to teach with just pick me up games and also fast to play). but that doesn't get past the barrier of "health concerns".
this all combined with GWs idea of "giving the players what they want...which is just spez mahreens" has just killed my enthusiasm for 40k as a wargame. i could possibly wait for GW to get better, but it seems GW has never gotten better, and have only ever gotten worse.
thankyou for the response though.
"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
geargutz interpretation of the 'umies "eggs in one basket"
2021/03/08 08:39:07
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
If you need a new game system, one page rules is the same sort of streamlined formula that 8th/9th edition was, but even more streamlined. It appears more or less balanced as well and includes rules designed to accommodate the 40k model line. It is designed for generally smaller games. Other fan systems look cool too. I would also be interested in looking at whatever you cook up as well
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut
2021/03/08 08:45:55
Subject: Re:GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
It's the first book of many for this Charadon campaign and this book is focusing on one part of a gigantic sector, a war that has been mentioned ever since 8th Edition that didn't involve any Orks whatsoever. I think you might have a point if all books come out and Orks get nothing, but until that happens all you're doing is throwing an overreacting hissyfit. Especially since the Ork Codex is on the horizon and they seem to be getting multiple new models.
Oh and Ghaz is available separately now.
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Nazi punks feth off
2021/03/08 08:46:32
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
To the OP I get where you are coming from. All I can say is be sure you want to bounce. At this point beyond a shadow of doubt you need to settle in to the fact it's a marines world and everyone else is just living in it. It makes it easier if you have a couple armies at least then if one gets the cold shoulder you have another that should still be alright.
Who knows why GW does what they do. Try not to let it get to you though. Other people see it, suffer through it and go on. GW is far from a perfect caretaker of their own system and seems often just to worship the cash but then it is a company, in the end, live or die that is all they cared about. It helps as well if you realize they don't care about any of us aside from the money they want from us.
In closing, the hobby and game isn't about what they do, it's about who you play with. Your own personal friends and games, screw what GW does or doesn't do. If the game was you play it and experience it with friends is bad, then walk away. Otherwise try and hang tough ride out the frustration. Other people do understand the frustration though.
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thankyou for the understanding.
ill admit i wont ever sell my models, i play orks so practically all my models are customized and are as much an expression of my imagination as my art. its just the old boys are all destined for the storage container or shelf, never to realy see play as most of those models are very hard to find game types that easily slot in massive armies with a wide variety of vehicles.
i once considered just running my orks as counts as space marines, but that felt wrong in its own demented way (kinda like giving up and skinning the orks and having SM wear the rotting flesh).
i tried having fun games, but with this health scare its been hard to meet for games, friends i mainly played with moved away, and after trying to play with them on tabletop simulator it felt like a soulless version of 40k...not able to play with my custom models made the tedium of rolling dice just unrewarding.
i have thought about just inventing a new game thats very simple to play (thus easy to teach with just pick me up games and also fast to play). but that doesn't get past the barrier of "health concerns".
this all combined with GWs idea of "giving the players what they want...which is just spez mahreens" has just killed my enthusiasm for 40k as a wargame. i could possibly wait for GW to get better, but it seems GW has never gotten better, and have only ever gotten worse.
thankyou for the response though.
GW is never going to fully get better, the situation around you can though. Wait till this all blows over and run them out once you get a good group to do it once more. The game and the hobby is about more than GWs love affair with Marines. I'd just hate to see someone leave when they are obviously passionate about their faction and the game in general. Passion is what fuels the experience for many of us, the flip side is when we feel so strongly we can over react when we feel trod upon. It's important to find a balance in that.
My own thought is I'll play as long as I can, and the time I play a game of it I should enjoy and I just don't, is when I'll walk away from it. Haven't gotten there yet but I can get how all the one sided attention feels bad. The Orks will get more attention eventually and a new day is always right around the corner. Hope any of this all helps.
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2021/03/08 08:54:54
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
The best thing you can do for your enjoyment of the game is lower your expectations for your Xenos faction. GW will never treat you as anything other than a third or fourth string faction, as many people like to point out they are a business and they have designed Space Marines as the money-maker. Which Xenos faction gets attention depends mostly on the whims of whoever is in the Design Studio, if they get bored of a faction or can't think of any good ideas then they ignore them or half ass their codices.
But take a step back from that, and you realise that you've got a huge amount of models available for your faction any way, most of them look absolutely great. Orks are also well serviced by third party suppliers like Kromlech, with awesome scenery pieces in case you don't like building your own. There's tonnes of stuff out there for you to mess around with as well as decades of lore. You don't have to care about what GW is currently doing to have fun with your collection.
I realise this is tempered somewhat by the need for your army to be reasonably balanced against new codices. That does suck. My advice there is just lower your expectations in that arena too. Play against other old codices, refuse games against the new stuff if it bothers you to be underpowered, or redefine victory for yourself as doing well against those factions even if you lose. Not a perfect solution but it's the best you've got.
And in the end, you can always use your dudes for other systems. There are a fair few systems that you can plug your Orks into directly, if you can get others to play with you. Grimdark Future, Mantic's Warpath and so on.
Don't compare yourself to the real focus of 40K. The grass is literally always greener for them, particularly in terms of release and lore attention. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game if you accept that.
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Cheex wrote: "Charadon" is a big place - it's a whole sector, not just the planet (or even the intersellar Ork empire) of the same name. "Act I" is a fair indication that there's more to come.
This. There really isn't anything else to discuss...
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geargutz wrote: ill admit i wont ever sell my models, i play orks so practically all my models are customized and are as much an expression of my imagination as my art. its just the old boys are all destined for the storage container or shelf, never to realy see play as most of those models are very hard to find game types that easily slot in massive armies with a wide variety of vehicles.
i once considered just running my orks as counts as space marines, but that felt wrong in its own demented way (kinda like giving up and skinning the orks and having SM wear the rotting flesh).
i tried having fun games, but with this health scare its been hard to meet for games, friends i mainly played with moved away, and after trying to play with them on tabletop simulator it felt like a soulless version of 40k...not able to play with my custom models made the tedium of rolling dice just unrewarding.
i have thought about just inventing a new game thats very simple to play (thus easy to teach with just pick me up games and also fast to play). but that doesn't get past the barrier of "health concerns".
this all combined with GWs idea of "giving the players what they want...which is just spez mahreens" has just killed my enthusiasm for 40k as a wargame. i could possibly wait for GW to get better, but it seems GW has never gotten better, and have only ever gotten worse.
thankyou for the response though.
Sounds to me like you're just burned out on 40k. I was in a similar situation during the mid of 7th, actually tried to sell my orks, but luckily the guy who won the auction them never showed up to get them. Just put your orks in a safe place (air-tight boxes in my basement for me) and if you ever feel like wanting to play the game again, you know where they are. The one good thing about playing a dirty NPC xenos race is that your army won't be completely outdated even if you put it away for a few years
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/03/08 09:01:31
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
Cheex wrote: "Charadon" is a big place - it's a whole sector, not just the planet (or even the intersellar Ork empire) of the same name. "Act I" is a fair indication that there's more to come.
This. There really isn't anything else to discuss...
Sure... let me know when they write "The Book of Spite" or some such nonsense, and it takes place in the Sol Sector and is a battle between Orkz, Tau and Nidz.
Its ok that the Imperium isn't mentioned, its only book 1, i'm sure they will be there for book 2. Sol is a big place, its a whole sector, not just a system or a planet or even an interstellar Human Empire.
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Any we both know that even if that book were written, you would open a thread complaining about orks didn't fully destroy terra without a single casualty and slaughter the entire Imperium to the last person.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/03/08 09:27:27
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
Cheex wrote: "Charadon" is a big place - it's a whole sector, not just the planet (or even the intersellar Ork empire) of the same name. "Act I" is a fair indication that there's more to come.
This. There really isn't anything else to discuss...
Sure... let me know when they write "The Book of Spite" or some such nonsense, and it takes place in the Sol Sector and is a battle between Orkz, Tau and Nidz.
Its ok that the Imperium isn't mentioned, its only book 1, i'm sure they will be there for book 2. Sol is a big place, its a whole sector, not just a system or a planet or even an interstellar Human Empire.
this, so much this, i dont understand why the GW apologists dont get how ridiculous this scenario sounds.
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Jidmah wrote: Any we both know that even if that book were written, you would open a thread complaining about orks didn't fully destroy terra without a single casualty and slaughter the entire Imperium to the last person.
i havent been active on dakka dakka for years because of this 40k droppoff of mine (the major disappointments started in 7th, and 8th didnt help, and 9th is nothing encouraging), and i doubt i would even comment about the new book, as i am not gonna buy the book. GW doesn't care about my faction, thus i dont care about a book that they have previewed seems to have nothing to do with my faction.
Im zoggin done with GW.
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"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
geargutz interpretation of the 'umies "eggs in one basket"
2021/03/08 09:38:48
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
RaptorusRex wrote: But this literally isn't about the Ork conflict in Charadron? It's about the War of Slime and Metal on Metalica, which Orks weren't involved in.
You'd think a logical argument would have some value in this thread, Rex, but...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2021/03/08 09:48:46
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
RaptorusRex wrote: But this literally isn't about the Ork conflict in Charadron? It's about the War of Slime and Metal on Metalica, which Orks weren't involved in.
did this conflict start in charadon?
if not then why take it to charadon, a sector only known for the pyromaniacs that reside there.
but if it started there then how on earth didn't those opposing factions suffer immediately from the orks wanting to get into the fight...because orks live to fight. even if a fight has absolutely nothing to do with orks, if the fight is close enough the orks will get involved.
thats like saying that the orks invaded the terra sector, but not to fight humans, but only to fight eldar or whatever, and the humans never get involved, despite the orks and eldar taking territory in that sector. it makes no sense.
but with reasoning ive heard here, the imperials will fight back....but in book 2 or 3 or 4 of the campaign. they dont immediately resist, they will let the enemy duke it out on holy terra itself, but will wait until their worlds are burning to finally fight back.
"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"
geargutz interpretation of the 'umies "eggs in one basket"
2021/03/08 09:55:49
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
I mean, there's obviously a bit to be grumpy about with GW's focus on SM, as can be seen by all the threads popping up weekly about that.
But in this case... I'm not really seeing it. The Death Guard was a big player in the Vigilus books, they featured in the story and there were quite extensive descriptions of their use of Gellarpox infected - one might think these would be supported by rules content - but there was nothing.
So it's possible that orks will feature heavily in the background of book 1 already but will get rules in book 2 (If I remember right that was the case for CSM in Vigilus, too).
2021/03/08 09:56:13
Subject: GW are writing out the orks out of charadon
