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It is worth mentioning, as usual, that there's definitely hints of the Gitmobs being out there as a faction. We've just seen the Gloomspite Gitz, worshipers of the Bad Moon, so far.

There was some kind of schism in Grotkind at some point in the Age of Myth. It resulted in Gitmobs taking to the surface with wolves and becoming nomadic, chasing after the Evil Sun while the Gloomspite Gitz took to the caves and wait for the Bad Moon to shine upon them.

Some themes are clearly kept around as conversion fodder - consider how long GW has been rolling out lore comments on Exodites despite not having made a model in decades for them.
I think things like skaven and gits with skyships are just the same; tempting lore ideas that make you convert with models within the GW ecosystem.



As for more and more armies, I sort of hope that GW slows down for a little with AoS. I do LOVE their creative armies and there are a few more that deserve to be out in the wild, but I also think that the Lumineth second wave really shows how much more factions become when they get a bit more attention and I'd hate to end up with GW having so many AoS forces that some end up not even getting drip fed new additions over time.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Honestly, I'd agree with this if it weren't for the fact that the Battleboxes these days are closer to the starter sets of yesteryear when it comes to AoS+WHFB while sets like Soul Wars and Realmgate Wars are closer to the later offerings like Battle for Skull Pass and Island of Blood.
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Umm battle for skull pass and island of Blood were the editions starter sets. No different to say bretonnia vs lizard of 5th and orcs vs empire of 6th

It helps to understand what's being said.

Battle for Skull Pass and Island of Blood were both starter sets--but the earlier starter sets tended to be closer to battleboxes as they were items that were generally available bundled in versus easy to build items designed specifically for those sets.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It helps to understand what's being said.

Battle for Skull Pass and Island of Blood were both starter sets--but the earlier starter sets tended to be closer to battleboxes as they were items that were generally available bundled in versus easy to build items designed specifically for those sets.

The 6th edition starter introduced all of the plastics it contained, some of which were generally released (cannon, boar chariot) while the two pose handgunner/spearman and double choppa/arrerr sprues were mostly released as part fo the starter and then the battalion boxes.

I'm pretty sure the plastics Brets/lizards in the 5th edition starter were created for it. The 4th edition gobbos and high elves might have already been released.

Fair enough then, I got started when the Empire v Orcs & Gobbos box was the thing--but I guess far enough into the edition that the stuff had been released as well?

My overall point still stands though. BfSP+IoB and the rise of the whole "massive sprues full o' stuff" setup is still relatively new in terms of GW's overall history. There's a distinct difference between the "starter sets" that existed and consisted of kits bundled together and what we see now as "starter" sets, being dedicated sprues/models intended as entry points to the game.

We've had:
Island of Blood
Battle for Skull Pass
Age of Sigmar
Soul Wars

Battle for Macragge
Dark Vengeance
Dark Imperium
Indomitus


Dark Imperium, Indomitus, Soul Wars, and the AoS starter sets each had ancillary products which either had reduced content but were more "approachable" for existing players or people hesitant to dive in.

What we saw with this most recent edition of 40k has been weird though. The "Recruit/Elite/Command" Editions are all effectively what we would have seen as 'backup products' in years past.



To throw a random bit of speculation out there...
Maybe this is what we can look forward to for AoS 3E?
Big box full of new!new!new! vs reworked range as a big splashy bit with a special hardcover version of the rulebooks--and then a trio of actual 'starter sets' later on that have parts of that content locked away inside?

New edition feels imminent and Broken Realms books as pointless as Psychic Awakening were for 40k.

While Lumineth and Vampires are at spotlight currently, releasing a boxed set containing them after their big release waves would be odd. The new edition boxed set will feature the next two armies that are going to be in spotlight. GW wants to lure in players with cheap starter set models before releasing the expensive big ones, not vice versa.

Orcs as bad guys would make a lot of sense. They haven't had many new releases and previous two boxed sets featured Chaos and Death, maybe it's time for Destruction. Stormcast are a strong contender for good guys once again.

jullevi wrote:
New edition feels imminent and Broken Realms books as pointless as Psychic Awakening were for 40k.

While Lumineth and Vampires are at spotlight currently, releasing a boxed set containing them after their big release waves would be odd. The new edition boxed set will feature the next two armies that are going to be in spotlight. GW wants to lure in players with cheap starter set models before releasing the expensive big ones, not vice versa.

Orcs as bad guys would make a lot of sense. They haven't had many new releases and previous two boxed sets featured Chaos and Death, maybe it's time for Destruction. Stormcast are a strong contender for good guys once again.

Yeah I think I jumped the gun on the prediction. We'll likely get through the Vampire release before the new edition comes out.

Would be great to see Destruction. Might have something to do with that Kragnos guy, who knows?

If a new race was added to Destruction, what would it be?

I think the Orruks need a little more filling out, but moving beyond the Gargants, Orruks, Gobbos and Trolls, do you think a tribe of Humans or something more exotic could be added to them?

 Charistoph wrote:
If a new race was added to Destruction, what would it be?

I think the Orruks need a little more filling out, but moving beyond the Gargants, Orruks, Gobbos and Trolls, do you think a tribe of Humans or something more exotic could be added to them?

I could see a tribe of humans being added, or they could flesh out the Dragon Ogres, Fomoroids, Ogroids, and/or the Fimir. Those are the things they already have that they could draw from, but they could also make brand new stuff, like they've been doing for AoS.

What about an actual fish people army that are bent on destroying all those who dwell on land? The counter to the Idoneth in spirit and realm.

 Charistoph wrote:
What about an actual fish people army that are bent on destroying all those who dwell on land? The counter to the Idoneth in spirit and realm.

I would absolutely love something like this.

There was also a little plot point in a previous Kharadron Overlords book about sky pirate goblins. We can only hope that that sort of thing could happen too.

 Charistoph wrote:
What about an actual fish people army that are bent on destroying all those who dwell on land? The counter to the Idoneth in spirit and realm.

Sounds like the Naga in Warcraft. I can dig it.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
What about an actual fish people army that are bent on destroying all those who dwell on land? The counter to the Idoneth in spirit and realm.

Sounds like the Naga in Warcraft. I can dig it.

Except the Idoneth would be the actual Naga, i.e. sea elves. Though in the Naga's case, they were corrupted by Void Spawn, a total different aspect of cosmology that is not explored/available in the Warhammer universe.

Though, now that I think about it, a Void-style Pantheon could work for inspiring the armies of Destruction, from the ever-hungry Maw to GorkaMorka, and additional aspects of destruction gods could emerge from different aspects of life that grew in the Mortal Realms, including the not-Naga fish people who would represent the hurricanes and tsunamis.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
What about an actual fish people army that are bent on destroying all those who dwell on land? The counter to the Idoneth in spirit and realm.

Sounds like the Naga in Warcraft. I can dig it.

Except the Idoneth would be the actual Naga, i.e. sea elves. Though in the Naga's case, they were corrupted by Void Spawn, a total different aspect of cosmology that is not explored/available in the Warhammer universe.

Though, now that I think about it, a Void-style Pantheon could work for inspiring the armies of Destruction, from the ever-hungry Maw to GorkaMorka, and additional aspects of destruction gods could emerge from different aspects of life that grew in the Mortal Realms, including the not-Naga fish people who would represent the hurricanes and tsunamis.

I guess a better equivalent would be Murlocs or Murgulls if they were more coherent as a theme rather than being the slave race of the Naga.

Perhaps the Pan-Fo will finally be reviled.

Would Malerion's Elves really be Order though?

Could they be a Destruction army or is the identity of Destruction too interlinked with Gorkamorka?

Gordrakk has been messing about in the background stories and lore, and has been collecting some powerful relics. I don't think we've come close to seeing what his plans are yet.

Feels too early to be trying to guess, as Broken Realms promises some major shifts.

Teclis of course is doing something about Nagash, and Belakor is making his entry to the Mortal Realms.

Then there’s that new bloke teased during last week’s trailer.

From the leaks coming in from the reviews of BR Teclis, there are some HUGE shifts and changes coming for Death, and not all of them sound particularly promising for some armies.

 Polonius wrote:


I'm pretty sure the plastics Brets/lizards in the 5th edition starter were created for it. The 4th edition gobbos and high elves might have already been released.

Those same plastics weren't exclusively for the starter set however. Lizards and Brets were the 'new' factions of 5th edition and those plastics were their core plastics from that point onward. If anything being in the starter box was a happy accident. They cetainly don't feel designed for the starter box.

To be honest, back in the day there wasn't much difference between "starter" plastic and normal, the saurus warriors had 4 pieces- the head, arm, body and shield...and aside from shield could actually be made 100% push-fit. Without massive gaps like modern GW push-fits too!

The 3rd edition 40K starter box was the same. All of the models in the box were the same as what was available in their own kits for years (or even decades) to come.

 Bosskelot wrote:
Would Malerion's Elves really be Order though?

Could they be a Destruction army or is the identity of Destruction too interlinked with Gorkamorka?

Order is described as those factions that build and maintain cities and temples.

Chaos worships Chaos in its myriad forms.

Death is... dead stuff.

Destruction tears things down and is not known for maintaining static cities and temples.

So, really, Destruction could definitely stretch to things beyond Gork and Mork, it's just that they haven't yet. There's definitely some untapped potential.

If we were talking in 40k terms, Tyranids would be a great example of a Destruction army. They keep moving and keep eating, but aren't known for their advanced civilization or cities

drbored wrote:

 Bosskelot wrote:
Would Malerion's Elves really be Order though?

Could they be a Destruction army or is the identity of Destruction too interlinked with Gorkamorka?

Order is described as those factions that build and maintain cities and temples.

Chaos worships Chaos in its myriad forms.

Death is... dead stuff.

Destruction tears things down and is not known for maintaining static cities and temples.

So, really, Destruction could definitely stretch to things beyond Gork and Mork, it's just that they haven't yet. There's definitely some untapped potential.

If we were talking in 40k terms, Tyranids would be a great example of a Destruction army. They keep moving and keep eating, but aren't known for their advanced civilization or cities

Malerion would build cities and temples though. Just as Teclis is determined to 'remake' Ulthuan in its glory, Malerion would likely be determined to rebuild Naggaroth the same way. They won't be nice fluffy friendly towers and temples but they're still there.

Destruction seems....eh. I feel it was intended as a generic 'dump' allegiance (much like Xenos in 40k) but ended up becoming interwoven with GorkaMorka.

One thing odd to me is that death is the only one ruled by a single god.

It puts nagash in a position unique to every other god. Chaos is 4 separate gods, but death just one.


Imo they need to break nagash's power into several gods to bring the super faction into alignment with the others.

 Hellebore wrote:
One thing odd to me is that death is the only one ruled by a single god.

It puts nagash in a position unique to every other god. Chaos is 4 separate gods, but death just one.


Imo they need to break nagash's power into several gods to bring the super faction into alignment with the others.

Nagash destroyed all other gods of death and would never share his power. FEC are in GA Death, but are neither undead nor are they ruled by Nagash.
The Chaos Gods hinder each other as much as they are useful to each other. Still, the realms are largely dominated by Chaos.
Order has so many factions, most of them with their own goals (see DoK) and much power struggle.
Destruction also only has a single god.

I would say Nagash as the single ruler/god is doing just fine.

Nagash hasn't consumed all the gods of death or at least not all the different lands within his realm. Death as a Realm is perhaps one of the more strange in that its almost realms within realms in how its built. There's a vast region devoted just to the Skaven and their own ruinous afterlife which is holding out against Nagash. Other realms also stand in war against him - we see this in Ghoulslayer.

However Nagash is hard to beat and has a steamroller momentum going on

Destruction also has just one god, GorkaMorka. there might be some other deities, but they bent the lore backwards to ensure every major destruction faction worships the orc god...

That said Destruction, by its very nature, is chaotic in that it will build up a vast hoard and then it will collapse in on itself at some point. If anything once they run out of foes they collapse back into fragmented waring tribes again.

It's not quite the same as Death where all, save Flesheaters, are commanded by one godly force and even the Flesheaters can be - herded - in the right general direction to cause untold damage.