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When did Eldrad destroy a titan?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
When did Eldrad destroy a titan?

50 years from now. You're too late to stop it.
(Seriously though; idk.)

 Void__Dragon wrote:
When did Eldrad destroy a titan?

It's just mentioned in the codex

The latest codex says Eldrad "can break titans and banish the mightiest of daemons..." but does not give specific past examples.

Maybe I am showing my age but I find that kind of straight raw power one upmanship less appealing these days, than something more subtle, in keeping with Eldar. Eldrad destroys a Titan not by breaking it directly with a telekinetic psychic power but by orchestrating a raid 100 years ago that destroyed a factory producing plasma reactor containment parts. The replacement factory is inferior and produces parts that are lower quality. The Titan experiences a catastrophic reactor failure while on the firing range and detonates, so it never makes it to the battlefield where Eldrad is standing.

Or if that is too subtle, the Titan can experience the failure when it is on the battlefield, though with Eldrad out of the explosion radius (as he predicted it).

''His psychic might has broken Titans, boiled the blood of Daemons and slain kings and heroes without number.''

It's worth noting that Ahriman is no slouch at long term divination either, being of Corvidae origin and currently (as of the end of the Ahriman trilogy and 'going to war with fate') being 1-all with *Tzeench* on the "ultimate just as planned shocker" scorecard...

darkoms wrote:
''His psychic might has broken Titans, boiled the blood of Daemons and slain kings and heroes without number.''

Proper “I can’t prove it” argument?

Imperial Titans utilise Mind Impulse Units. These are essentially direct neural links which, once the Princeps and Moderati have been suitably trained, allow them to more or less pilot the Titan as if it’s an extension of their own body.

To my admittedly incomplete knowledge, those are electrical systems. And so, a well focused and targeted electrical base psychic power could burn out the Titan crew’s minds. The Titan itself would be largely disabled, barring its Machine Spirit having a wee rampage, but otherwise left mostly intact once someone mopped the remains of the crew out, maybe spritzed their quarters with some Febreze.

Simply melting the brains of the Titan crew, and perhaps shorting out it’s Machine Spirit would in my own book absolutely count as breaking a Titan. The literal spirit driving it into war is crippled or killed.

Whilst I’d need to dig out my next 2nd Ed Epic Space Marine book, I’m fairly that is exactly how the much feared Psychic Lance worked.

All the rest of the force need do is strip away the Titan’s void shields.

By no means an easy task in itself. But….with precision, prescience and poise? Eldrad seems more than capable of knowing precisely when to launch his assault, and way before the Titan’s crew realises just how much trouble they’re in.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

darkoms wrote:
''His psychic might has broken Titans, boiled the blood of Daemons and slain kings and heroes without number.''

Proper “I can’t prove it” argument?

Imperial Titans utilise Mind Impulse Units. These are essentially direct neural links which, once the Princeps and Moderati have been suitably trained, allow them to more or less pilot the Titan as if it’s an extension of their own body.

To my admittedly incomplete knowledge, those are electrical systems. And so, a well focused and targeted electrical base psychic power could burn out the Titan crew’s minds. The Titan itself would be largely disabled, barring its Machine Spirit having a wee rampage, but otherwise left mostly intact once someone mopped the remains of the crew out, maybe spritzed their quarters with some Febreze.

Simply melting the brains of the Titan crew, and perhaps shorting out it’s Machine Spirit would in my own book absolutely count as breaking a Titan. The literal spirit driving it into war is crippled or killed.

Whilst I’d need to dig out my next 2nd Ed Epic Space Marine book, I’m fairly that is exactly how the much feared Psychic Lance worked.

All the rest of the force need do is strip away the Titan’s void shields.

By no means an easy task in itself. But….with precision, prescience and poise? Eldrad seems more than capable of knowing precisely when to launch his assault, and way before the Titan’s crew realises just how much trouble they’re in.

The Psychic Lance was a one shot per turn, hitting on 5+, but which gained +1 to hit when used by Warlock Titans. Any hits that were not blocked by shields automatically hit the head, which could in theory allow for a kill. I think the shot bypassed armor save but I don't have the Epic Renegades book immediately handy to check. In one of the WD battle reports reproduced in the collected Space Marine Battles book, it is described as wiping the brains of a hit Reaver's crew completely clean, causing the Reaver to lock up and pitch forward face first into the ground.

I do have that book, and alongside the Squat Lore I excavated it from my Crypt of Crap yesterday.

I’ll do a proper concentrate and typing tomorrow!

The Psychic Lance always struck me as underwhelming to be honest. Its single shot meant it was unreliable and overkill against smaller targets, while still requiring other forces or weapons to down void shields. What was more fearsome was a Warlock Titan with twin Pulsars, twin lascannon wings, and using Witch Sight (for -1 to hit it). Two weapons hitting on 2+, for d6 hits each at -2 armor save modifier, plus another 4 shots from the wing lascannons at 4+ to hit -2 armor save modifier. Warlord Titan shields were easily stripped and the sheer deluge of hits was enough to get through to kill.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

darkoms wrote:
''His psychic might has broken Titans, boiled the blood of Daemons and slain kings and heroes without number.''

Proper “I can’t prove it” argument?

Imperial Titans utilise Mind Impulse Units. These are essentially direct neural links which, once the Princeps and Moderati have been suitably trained, allow them to more or less pilot the Titan as if it’s an extension of their own body.

To my admittedly incomplete knowledge, those are electrical systems. And so, a well focused and targeted electrical base psychic power could burn out the Titan crew’s minds. The Titan itself would be largely disabled, barring its Machine Spirit having a wee rampage, but otherwise left mostly intact once someone mopped the remains of the crew out, maybe spritzed their quarters with some Febreze.

Simply melting the brains of the Titan crew, and perhaps shorting out it’s Machine Spirit would in my own book absolutely count as breaking a Titan. The literal spirit driving it into war is crippled or killed.

Whilst I’d need to dig out my next 2nd Ed Epic Space Marine book, I’m fairly that is exactly how the much feared Psychic Lance worked.

All the rest of the force need do is strip away the Titan’s void shields.

By no means an easy task in itself. But….with precision, prescience and poise? Eldrad seems more than capable of knowing precisely when to launch his assault, and way before the Titan’s crew realises just how much trouble they’re in.

What does it mean to prove? Are you arguing with a quote from the code or what? I never said it was detailed in some novel, I said it was in the codex. You can theorize about it all you want, but we have the fact that Eldrad can do it.

I think Mad Doc is on your side, dude.

He’s saying “This is how Eldrad can do it.”

 JNAProductions wrote:
I think Mad Doc is on your side, dude.

He’s saying “This is how Eldrad can do it.”

I confused by ''Proper “I can’t prove it” argument?''