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 Eilif wrote:
Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that we may all be wrong'ish, at least practically speaking. I just looked up the Adepticon tourney rules, which are used for many other tournaments (especially in the USA) and it reads:
"Models MUST use the current factory provided base sizes"

As previously noted, tournament house rules are merely house rules. I've never seen anything in the 8th or 9th BRB about model base sizes.

And what do they expect, me to rebase all my Tyranid Warriors on 50mm bases? Fine, as long as they pay for the bases.

Or, worse, have some on 50mm and the rest on 40mm?

Dysartes wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that we may all be wrong'ish, at least practically speaking. I just looked up the Adepticon tourney rules, which are used for many other tournaments (especially in the USA) and it reads:
"Models MUST use the current factory provided base sizes"

As previously noted, tournament house rules are merely house rules. I've never seen anything in the 8th or 9th BRB about model base sizes.

I'm not arguing that last point. I assume you're absolutely right about the rulebooks.

I'm just saying that if OP is in the states and wants to do big tournaments the Adepticon guidelines are commonly used. I do think that most US competitive players would consider Adepticon rules a bit more consequential than "merely house rules" , but as you appear to be in the UK, I assume their influence is far less.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And what do they expect, me to rebase all my Tyranid Warriors on 50mm bases? Fine, as long as they pay for the bases.

Or, worse, have some on 50mm and the rest on 40mm?

Darned if I know. I don't do tournaments and couldn't care less about tournament guidelines.

I am in the states and have little desire to play in tournaments especially if 40K isn't balanced. I played Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed a lot, those games were never balanced. I got back in for 5th and 6th edition and those had similar balance issues. I have yet to play 9th edition, and am right now just getting all my models in order, 3D printing some new stuff, 3D printing lost or broken parts for old hammer, and I bought a tiny amount of new models.

I am really just looking to get back into war gaming in general and would love to make my own game for once. Just getting my group of gaming friends into war gaming for their first time too, so we are all just sort taking it slow one game at a time

Thanks for the answers everyone I appreciate all the feedback

 Crom wrote:
I am in the states and have little desire to play in tournaments especially if 40K isn't balanced. I played Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed a lot, those games were never balanced. I got back in for 5th and 6th edition and those had similar balance issues. I have yet to play 9th edition, and am right now just getting all my models in order, 3D printing some new stuff, 3D printing lost or broken parts for old hammer, and I bought a tiny amount of new models.

I am really just looking to get back into war gaming in general and would love to make my own game for once. Just getting my group of gaming friends into war gaming for their first time too, so we are all just sort taking it slow one game at a time

Thanks for the answers everyone I appreciate all the feedback

Then you needn't worry about the base sizes.
And balance? Yeah, that word still doesn't really apply to 40k....

Welcome back though.

 Crom wrote:
I am in the states and have little desire to play in tournaments especially if 40K isn't balanced. I played Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed a lot, those games were never balanced. I got back in for 5th and 6th edition and those had similar balance issues. I have yet to play 9th edition, and am right now just getting all my models in order, 3D printing some new stuff, 3D printing lost or broken parts for old hammer, and I bought a tiny amount of new models.

I am really just looking to get back into war gaming in general and would love to make my own game for once. Just getting my group of gaming friends into war gaming for their first time too, so we are all just sort taking it slow one game at a time

Thanks for the answers everyone I appreciate all the feedback

Happy to help. As ccc says in that case don't worry about basing conventions, though if you're going to print stuff, maybe print bases?

I will say also that if you haven't tried 9th and you just want to throw some of your old figs on the table quickly, maybe give Grimdark Future a try?

 Eilif wrote:
...Just to be clear, are you saying 28mm bases or 25mm bases? 25mm is the traditional slotta base size...

To add an extra layer of obnoxiousness to the whole thing there are 28mm bases now, they're used on Eldar infantry and some Warcry models.

so looking up most boxed sets on GW's website, it seems the majority of Necromunda bases still use 25mm. Some exceptions seem that the larger bot and ogryn use 40mm and goliath use 32mm

I really wish they would standardize, but whatever

Happy to help. As ccc says in that case don't worry about basing conventions, though if you're going to print stuff, maybe print bases?

Ya I did print some bases already, and they are great, but i can buy the generic bags of them for like $12 per 100 bases. It is almost more cost effective to buy them since a good bottlle of resin runs about $40. I will likely print custom ones for sure though

I will say also that if you haven't tried 9th and you just want to throw some of your old figs on the table quickly, maybe give Grimdark Future a try?

oh neat, I will look into this, not sure what this is.

My gaming group has decided to play war games for the first time. I am the only veteran war gamer in the group. They have all played tons of video games, and some table top games like D&D. So, I am going to start a Necromunda campaign first, since it has some RPG elements and the terrain for Necromunda is very cyberpunk and dense, which they all seem to really like. Once we do that for a bit I plan on expanding it to more larger scale games, including games outside of GW's catalog.

I have been eyeballing the star wars space fleet game, Infinity (models are super cool), and a few other minis games that I have been web searching. Since I have so many old models and the fact that we have several 3D printers among my gaming group we can easily get into a lot of different games.

Although I still do buy official models, so I can support my local gaming store. Bought some stuff this week as I want to make sure our local shops make money and stay in biz for the hobby. I just have so much old stuff I need to get ready or up to date and then I gotta print parts/bits for all the stuff that is missing for my old stuff. One of the nice things about table top war gaming, is that models don't really go obsolete, so the ones I bought in the early 90s are still valid to use. Found some 2nd edition Ork boys over the weekend in a box, lol they are so simple compared to today's boyz

 Crom wrote:
so

I will say also that if you haven't tried 9th and you just want to throw some of your old figs on the table quickly, maybe give Grimdark Future a try?

oh neat, I will look into this, not sure what this is.

Grimdark Future is an extremely tight, free, fast play, fan produced ruleset. It has rules for every 40k faction and others and a really well done online army builder.
https://onepagerules.com/
My son and I love it. We can enjoy our GW figs and fluff while having gotten off the GW rulebook carousel . The publisher One Page Rules also has games that cover Age Of Sigmar, Warhammer, Kill Team, etc. And they share a number of mechanics

The guys who run the LVO have this as their official base size rule:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A31mVI4s1cSlXNQuxmZXQZt4dkxPIcVe/view

It may or may not be the same requirement as Adepticon. So, if you're thinking of getting into the tourney scene you should check with whichever TO is running it.

As an aside I also have some of those old 2ed Termies and I was banned from using them, even on a 40mm base, due to the models themselves being too small compared to "modern" terminator models.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
The guys who run the LVO have this as their official base size rule:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A31mVI4s1cSlXNQuxmZXQZt4dkxPIcVe/view

It may or may not be the same requirement as Adepticon. So, if you're thinking of getting into the tourney scene you should check with whichever TO is running it.

As an aside I also have some of those old 2ed Termies and I was banned from using them, even on a 40mm base, due to the models themselves being too small compared to "modern" terminator models.

wowwww they banned your older official models? that is dumb in my opinion. Tournaments sound like they are not that fun, and just attract tons of min/maxers and folks who want to exploit the GW rules loopholes that have always existed. Like I can put up with a lot of this, but straight up banning official models is a bit far IMO

Leo_the_Rat wrote:


As an aside I also have some of those old 2ed Termies and I was banned from using them, even on a 40mm base, due to the models themselves being too small compared to "modern" terminator models.

This banning of old figures for being undersized is something I'd not heard of until recently. I've got a bunch of RT/2ndEd Terminators awaiting paint. Thank goodness Tournament rules don't affect me.

I understand where they organizers are coming from since an old metal terminator is half the bulk of a new one. But if doesn't mean I have to like it. I wonder if it would be ok if it were raised up to the height of the current figures

 Eilif wrote:

 Crom wrote:
so

I will say also that if you haven't tried 9th and you just want to throw some of your old figs on the table quickly, maybe give Grimdark Future a try?

oh neat, I will look into this, not sure what this is.

Grimdark Future is an extremely tight, free, fast play, fan produced ruleset. It has rules for every 40k faction and others and a really well done online army builder.
https://onepagerules.com/
My son and I love it. We can enjoy our GW figs and fluff while having gotten off the GW rulebook carousel . The publisher One Page Rules also has games that cover Age Of Sigmar, Warhammer, Kill Team, etc. And they share a number of mechanics

oh interesting will check this out, could be fun to run some simplified streamlined rules


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 Crom wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

 Crom wrote:
so

I will say also that if you haven't tried 9th and you just want to throw some of your old figs on the table quickly, maybe give Grimdark Future a try?

oh neat, I will look into this, not sure what this is.

Grimdark Future is an extremely tight, free, fast play, fan produced ruleset. It has rules for every 40k faction and others and a really well done online army builder.
https://onepagerules.com/
My son and I love it. We can enjoy our GW figs and fluff while having gotten off the GW rulebook carousel . The publisher One Page Rules also has games that cover Age Of Sigmar, Warhammer, Kill Team, etc. And they share a number of mechanics

oh interesting will check this out, could be fun to run some simplified streamlined rules

This is why base sizes matter, the base size represents the physical space a model takes up on the table, but I get that the older Termies are a bit smaller than the newer ones. I would think this would only really be an issue in very niche situations where terrain would completely block LOS of the old models but not the new ones. I get the logic of the decision, but would not agree with it. Mostly because I don't think it has a big enough impact to turn the tide of a game, and the fact that official models are super expensive.

I assume most tournaments also ban 3D printed models but I haven't looked

 Crom wrote:

As an aside I also have some of those old 2ed Termies and I was banned from using them, even on a 40mm base, due to the models themselves being too small compared to "modern" terminator models.

That's some major BS right there. F those guys.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
The guys who run the LVO have this as their official base size rule:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A31mVI4s1cSlXNQuxmZXQZt4dkxPIcVe/view

It may or may not be the same requirement as Adepticon. So, if you're thinking of getting into the tourney scene you should check with whichever TO is running it.

As an aside I also have some of those old 2ed Termies and I was banned from using them, even on a 40mm base, due to the models themselves being too small compared to "modern" terminator models.

Belakor is still on a 60mm base in that doc lol

 Crom wrote:

wowwww they banned your older official models? that is dumb in my opinion. Tournaments sound like they are not that fun, and just attract tons of min/maxers and folks who want to exploit the GW rules loopholes that have always existed. Like I can put up with a lot of this, but straight up banning official models is a bit far IMO

bizarrely the tournaments are more strict than GW itself (edit: i take that back, some tournaments allow 3rd party stuff)