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Julian Rush only exists in Sofia's mind? He's a very odd character who just seems to be...around...when Sofia needs him. And then absent otherwise. The character is highly inconsequential, adding nothing to the story, and that's a red flag for me when this show is very tightly written overall. If he's meant to be a future rogue as some have suggested, they've done a terrible job developing him. Which is also a red flag for me when the character writing has been so stellar otherwise.
I dunno. If he's not some kind of coping mechanism that Sofia invented at Arkham, I feel like there has to be some other twist. I have no idea why the character would exist otherwise.
I’m open to that possibility, but:
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Episode 4, Head doctor at Arkham points him out at Sofias initial introduction and a nurse hands him some paperwork. He has a few more lines of dialogue with head Doc after that. I think he’s just a bored doctor trying to chase something exciting and dangerous. And smokin hot.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
"Oz killing his brothers to have mom all to himself" on their Penguin bingo card?
Obviously tbh, as for other discussion on the shrink;
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he's entirely unlikable, like a submissive pet, drooling over Sofia's slightest attention, he's pathetic in every way shape and form and I cannot wait till he gets killed one way or another, but am very much open to the idea that he's a figment of Sofia's imagination, my preferred script would be that Sofia actually did kill all the women she claims were killed by her father too, and that that makes her actually insane which would be a huge plus for her (fictional obviously) character and an awesome plot twist. It would make her entire pressence mistaken to be wrongly treated and sane a grand act. But I'm not sure if the actual writers for this show are this witty. We will see, if the shrink is a figment that makes him more interesting than the "notice me senpai" sponge he is right now too.
Anyway, Oz is one of the -main- villains of batman so making his character in any way to award sympathy would be a massive mistake, he is supposed to be the most repulsive and traitorous and I think that everything that happened so far like him
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celebrating victory over sal dieing from a heart attack as if he actually won the fight
really befits him (oz).
"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
Ahtman wrote: I kind of hope that theory plays out because that character as it stands is kind of "lolwat" in the series.
Completely. I just can't understand why such a zero character even exists unless there's a twist coming. And if they're building to a new rogue...it's an impossibly bad job of developing that character.
Julian Rush only exists in Sofia's mind? He's a very odd character who just seems to be...around...when Sofia needs him. And then absent otherwise. The character is highly inconsequential, adding nothing to the story, and that's a red flag for me when this show is very tightly written overall. If he's meant to be a future rogue as some have suggested, they've done a terrible job developing him. Which is also a red flag for me when the character writing has been so stellar otherwise.
I dunno. If he's not some kind of coping mechanism that Sofia invented at Arkham, I feel like there has to be some other twist. I have no idea why the character would exist otherwise.
I’m open to that possibility, but:
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Episode 4, Head doctor at Arkham points him out at Sofias initial introduction and a nurse hands him some paperwork. He has a few more lines of dialogue with head Doc after that. I think he’s just a bored doctor trying to chase something exciting and dangerous. And smokin hot.
That doesn't completely rule it out though.
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He may have been a living being in Arkham, but is not one anymore. Perhaps he had a little accident in there.
Again, just trying to make some sense out of what appears to be awful writing in what is generally a very well-written show.
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Yeah, that's a good point about post-Arkham. I'm not trying to shoot holes in a cool theory, its just that I've watched every episode twice and I feel that I'm so jaded on the "he/she's not real" trope that I can usually see it right off the jump.
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Post-Arkham Julian does have me thinking I could be wrong though.
And I agree, he's the weakest piece in this pretty excellent show, which is a shame as I liked the actor in the first few seasons of Son's of Anarchy that I watched before I tapped out on that show.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Very wild ending to this limited series. Onwards to The Batman part 2!
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Sad ending for Vic and Oz’s mom. I was hoping Oz would give him a wad of cash and a way out. But Oz, as shown from the very beginning, is an impulsive monster. Thought his prostitute girlfriend was going to get the same treatment, since she did give him up to Sofia. Loved the batsignal at the end.
All in all, solid piece of entertainment. Not perfect, but compared to other Superhero spin-off TV shows, its on another level.
Next week Dune: Prophecy!
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Vic saying he felt like Oz was family was definitely foreshadowing
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still, I did not expect it to happen so soon after him saying it.
I wonder what, if anything, having Selina reach out to Sofia will do with the future stories in this Batman universe.
I still don't really get the psychiatrist; such a bizarrely underwritten character. I wonder if they only reason for him being added was so they could have someone interrogate Oz's mom.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: Vic saying he felt like Oz was family was definitely foreshadowing
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still, I did not expect it to happen so soon after him saying it.
I wonder what, if anything, having Selina reach out to Sofia will do with the future stories in this Batman universe.
I still don't really get the psychiatrist; such a bizarrely underwritten character. I wonder if they only reason for him being added was so they could have someone interrogate Oz's mom.
I think the rooftop conversation at the end of The Batman already suggested Selina was going to take a step or two toward villain and away from anti-hero. Even the final scene on the motorcycles suggests that...they literally go in opposite directions, and that's after Bruce decides he has to move toward the light and be a hero for Gotham. So the letter to Sofia fits right into that.
Your last sentence was the only thing I could figure for why Julian Rush even existed in this story. And after all of that, he just goes back to his job at Arkham? Sure, ok.
Great ending to an excellent series though. Now we still have a long way until The Batman Part 2.
gorgon wrote: Your last sentence was the only thing I could figure for why Julian Rush even existed in this story. And after all of that, he just goes back to his job at Arkham? Sure, ok.
Yeah, that bugged me. Could've just done without the character entirely and used Oz's mom's deteriorating mental condition as the vehicle for Sofia finding out about Oz's siblings. Easily the weakest part of the story.
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Also, Oz going full Batman mode and disappearing in his car while Sofia is making peace with being killed was kind of a "lolwut" moment.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Most people seem to be positive about the season finale but I recogniced a few massive mistakes in it that ruined it for me.
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1: Oz his mother has been portrayed as constantly praising and defending Oz his victories against Carmine and Sofia even when Oz wasn't around (bragging about it to Victor), yet we are made to believe that she actually hated him all this time.
2: Despite Eve' having ratted Oz out to Sofia because she believes Sofia in that Oz protected Falcone sr. killing her girls, she dances with him dressed up as his mother, come on.. how is that even remotely logical.. did Getzinger even watch all the other episodes or just the pilot she write before?
3: Rush completely evaporates his role returning as an Arkham assistent bringing Sofia food as if there was no record of his involvement with the police being all over Sofia.
4: Selina Kyle being inserted as Sofia's half sister is beyond insulting to batman fans as Selina Kyle one of the more established characters who's background has always been that she was a hermit (even in the show gotham she rejects her mother for being a doublecrossing crook) would never care about having family, unless she could rob them. But Sofia has no assets left, all is burned.. so for what reason other than a bloated writer wanting to create more girlbosses to identify with could this "twist" exist?
This brings me to an interview with Getzinger who admits that everything that went on with Sofia's fate (and don't get me wrong, I think putting her back in arkham is the right decision, but not exactly an amazing writer's idea as it was either that or death) and personality was written because she used Sofia as a vessel to share some obscure kennedy familymember's story as much as I quote; "I really love what I was able to do with her, and she’s become a really important character to me" as to why Sofia didn't die in the end.
This all comes from the following mentality that Getzinger admits here; "I thought Sofia would be a really interesting person to bring into the fold. I wanted this interesting brother–sister relationship at its center, and I wanted a really interesting, complex, flawed female character. I mean, I wanted many of them. There’s some tropes in comic books and crime dramas, and they don’t always serve female characters as well as they might men. So I really wanted to try to subvert those tropes and just add more dimension in the way that I wished I had when I was a kid growing up, and that as a woman now, I would still love."
Which is exactly the worst thing you can do with a script; inserting your personal preferences into a character so that the character gains favoritism and immunity from any actual logical consequences.
You see a "I wanted this, I wanted that" and the never ending "subverting tropes" be at every franchise's ruin.
Ahwell, I don't think there will be more seasons as I suspect this was moreof a prelude to the new Batman movie, hopefully not including Getzinger as a writer.
"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
Leopold Helveine wrote: Most people seem to be positive about the season finale but I recogniced a few massive mistakes in it that ruined it for me.
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1: Oz his mother has been portrayed as constantly praising and defending Oz his victories against Carmine and Sofia even when Oz wasn't around (bragging about it to Victor), yet we are made to believe that she actually hated him all this time.
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She has been playing the role for over a decade. She obviously repressed the memory and it was the shrink that dug it back up. Add in dementia.
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2: Despite Eve' having ratted Oz out to Sofia because she believes Sofia in that Oz protected Falcone sr. killing her girls, she dances with him dressed up as his mother, come on.. how is that even remotely logical.. did Getzinger even watch all the other episodes or just the pilot she write before?
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Eve follows the money, protection, and success. What makes you think with Sofia gone that she wouldn't serve her own interest by playing into Oz's fantasies. Her and her girls whole thing is surviving by playing into male fantasies.
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3: Rush completely evaporates his role returning as an Arkham assistent bringing Sofia food as if there was no record of his involvement with the police being all over Sofia.
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His record of involvement is that officially he was her shrink in Arkham, He was following up on his patient when she was out. And now he is her shrink in Arkham again. If anyone has a paper trail of an alibi it is him.
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4: Selina Kyle being inserted as Sofia's half sister is beyond insulting to batman fans as Selina Kyle one of the more established characters who's background has always been that she was a hermit (even in the show gotham she rejects her mother for being a doublecrossing crook) would never care about having family, unless she could rob them. But Sofia has no assets left, all is burned.. so for what reason other than a bloated writer wanting to create more girlbosses to identify with could this "twist" exist?
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Did you not watch The Batman? The whole thing with Selina was she was Falcone's illegitimate daughter. This twist was 8 episodes and half a movie (from almost 3 years ago) ago.
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This brings me to an interview with Getzinger who admits that everything that went on with Sofia's fate (and don't get me wrong, I think putting her back in arkham is the right decision, but not exactly an amazing writer's idea as it was either that or death) and personality was written because she used Sofia as a vessel to share some obscure kennedy familymember's story as much as I quote; "I really love what I was able to do with her, and she’s become a really important character to me" as to why Sofia didn't die in the end.
This all comes from the following mentality that Getzinger admits here; "I thought Sofia would be a really interesting person to bring into the fold. I wanted this interesting brother–sister relationship at its center, and I wanted a really interesting, complex, flawed female character. I mean, I wanted many of them. There’s some tropes in comic books and crime dramas, and they don’t always serve female characters as well as they might men. So I really wanted to try to subvert those tropes and just add more dimension in the way that I wished I had when I was a kid growing up, and that as a woman now, I would still love."
Which is exactly the worst thing you can do with a script; inserting your personal preferences into a character so that the character gains favoritism and immunity from any actual logical consequences.
You see a "I wanted this, I wanted that" and the never ending "subverting tropes" be at every franchise's ruin.
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So you want writers to not just be turning out dross for corporations but you don't like it when a writer enters a project with intentions or artistic vision for the characters they are writing?
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
So you want writers to not just be turning out dross for corporations but you don't like it when a writer enters a project with intentions or artistic vision for the characters they are writing?
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It is that the writer makes the character invulnerable to logic by caring too much and as I have discussed in the rings of power thread using characters as a vehicle for activism/politics that I' am turned off. Suum cuique granted btw.
And yes I have seen the Batman and yes I was aware that they changed Selina's origin to be a Falcone yes, but that was not the point, the point is Selina wouldn't care about "family", she's a lone wolf.
"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
What is in line with Selina's character is caring about abused women. Ever since the post crisis origin change where she went from being a wealthy socialite who steals for the thrill of it to a prostitute/slum girl stealing to make a better life for herself and the women around her, her character is very driven by giving abusers what they deserve.
We saw it as her major driver in The Batman. And this woman just so happens to share the same abuser she did.
I wouldn't call any of this a "twist".
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Carmine Falcone being Selina's father isn't even really a twist in The Batman. The closest thing to a twist on that front
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is that Carmine killed her mom, just like he killed Sofia's mother.
I'm pretty sure Eve didn't know she was wearing a similar dress that Oz's mom wore decades ago. We the audience know that but I doubt Eve does. Still, as Lance pointed out Eve's motivations I'm not sure it would stop her from doing so even if she did.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Selina has also been Carmine's illegitimate daughter in the comics for some years now. Not knowing the source material doesn't make it an "insulting twist".
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
gorgon wrote: Selina has also been Carmine's illegitimate daughter in the comics for some years now. Not knowing the source material doesn't make it an "insulting twist".
Where in my post do I even make an issue about that?
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Besides that Selina has been the daughter of a mob boss (the lion) for quite a while before that so its not a huge deal..
my gripe was with that she suddenly cares about contacting "family" while she is known to be a -hermit- who doesn't care about anyone unless she can steal from them. That is her entire shtick with batman aswell. Her bio even states that (and is all across the board btw) she has an anti-social personality disorder, so no she wouldn't contact Sophia (unless Sophia still had estate which she doesn't and that is why I called that point -a mistake- of the script.
Anyway, I think that this is generally the issue with having writer rooms going conflicting ways, and that male writers generally focus on how things all come together logically while female writers tend to focus on how character A feels about character B.
On a sidenote I'm going to rewatch 'the batman' because I cannot even remember that much about it tbh, it was just an incredibly underwhelming movie compared to its predecessors. (mostly because I think that riddler was miscast and especially mis-clothed)
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"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
Def agree with the recent Batman film being a bit meh - better than then Nolan rubbish but still a bit meh
Really enjoyed the series - great acting, story and characters.
I had not expected the Selina Kyle twist but it works I guess.
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
On another front, in regards to another one of the very few things that I disliked in this series:
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Always great so see Clancy Brown, but once Sal was out of prison, he was kind of a non-issue. Sure he captured Oz and had him reveal the Bliss operation location, but nothing really came of it*. His crew gets overpowered and he dies unceremoniously of a heart attack. He could've stayed dead in the prison and his arc just ended there and it would've been the same result. Any of Sofia's goons could've done what he did instead. My main beef stems with how he died, though. I was expecting a brawl, but nope.
*Aside from Sofia blowing it up.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
nels1031 wrote: On another front, in regards to another one of the very few things that I disliked in this series:
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Always great so see Clancy Brown, but once Sal was out of prison, he was kind of a non-issue. Sure he captured Oz and had him reveal the Bliss operation location, but nothing really came of it*. His crew gets overpowered and he dies unceremoniously of a heart attack. He could've stayed dead in the prison and his arc just ended there and it would've been the same result. Any of Sofia's goons could've done what he did instead. My main beef stems with how he died, though. I was expecting a brawl, but nope.
*Aside from Sofia blowing it up.
I thought that was well done myself - Oz is loosing.... and once again he survives and triumphs but its nothing to do with him but he claims it s a victory - also
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he does use it in a clever way to highlight the two main crime families fighting and blame them for everything
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
nels1031 wrote: On another front, in regards to another one of the very few things that I disliked in this series:
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Always great so see Clancy Brown, but once Sal was out of prison, he was kind of a non-issue. Sure he captured Oz and had him reveal the Bliss operation location, but nothing really came of it*. His crew gets overpowered and he dies unceremoniously of a heart attack. He could've stayed dead in the prison and his arc just ended there and it would've been the same result. Any of Sofia's goons could've done what he did instead. My main beef stems with how he died, though. I was expecting a brawl, but nope.
*Aside from Sofia blowing it up.
I thought that was well done myself - Oz is loosing.... and once again he survives and triumphs but its nothing to do with him but he claims it s a victory - also
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he does use it in a clever way to highlight the two main crime families fighting and blame them for everything
I agree. Oz is a Snake. The show isn't about his own achievements. It's about how he worms his way into claiming things he thinks he deserves.
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Well I stand somewhat corrected having watched the batman again.
Interestingly watching it after having watched the penguin makes it a whole lot better a movie than I remember, but I am still conflicted over the Selina thing as she shows there's nothing left for her in gotham which is rather strange when you think about Sofia's past and Sofia's future aren't exactly that different, she was in Arkham during the events of The batman, so what changed?
Well perhaps that will be explained in the upcoming sequel.
I can't imagine Selina would feel jolly about Sofia killing the rest of her (selinas) family (with the carbon dioxide) even though Selina wanted to kill Carmine. Nor that she put her little niece in Arkham.
So what do you think was in the letter, making Sofia smile..
If it were me it be a threat, not a "Hi I'll help you get back at penguin derp".
If Selina had cared about that in the first place she would've killed penguin 10 times over as Penguin hasn't exactly changed from what he was during the iceberg lounge era.
Selina went back after her father because of the whole strangling thing that Sofia also was "blamed for", I would hope that whoever writes the batman sequel takes a long and hard thinking about how well a plot it would be if Sofia killed all those women afterall, like father like daughter' as I had been proposing making her a much more interesting character and tieing in a lot better with everything that happened both in Penguin and in The Batman.
I mean we know that Falcone strangled the russian girl in The Batman, but that doesn't have to mean that he killed Selina's mother, in fact when Selina held him at gunpoint initially he sounded more like he wanted to explain that that wasn't him, sure he tries to strangle Selina (in a sort of self defense situation just having been shot at) and literally declares that Selina made him do that "just like her mother", which doesn't have to mean that he strangled her mother and can actually be used as a good plot twist in that Selina's mother may have caused a situation that made Sofia strangle her (remember that the first scene concerning Sofia's past is her finding her mother hanged which may have actually been a suicide after finding out Carmine had a daughter (about the same age as Sofia afterall) with her.
So Sofia may well have done that afterall when she got older figuring out that that was the reason her mother killed herself, enter her being the hangman borne' legit.. as much as making her and Selina adversaries.
All in all, back to 'the Penguin'; that would mean the content of that finale ending's letter would have to be a threat and Sofia may have been smiling because she either didn't care anymore about being killed or because she thought she'd be safe behind those walls.
It would be a whole lot better than a one dimensional "penguin man bad" "selina and poor mistreated sofia supergirlteam good"
Selina wouldn't come back to Gotham after the Batman film for anything family related that was already going on, she left, but now she might come for Sofia now that she is officially a lot more incriminated by her cataclysmic behavior and especially if Selina found out what she did to her niece (making her an orphan and putting her in arkham).
Ahwell..
As another thought, the riddler wasn't as bad in this rewatch as I recalled it, but the costume design was seriously lacking. I get it from an origins perspective though, so not as a biggie as I had with it. Clearly the riddler tries to be like batman but lacks the funds. I think my issue with the casting is mainly because this actor was so effective in there will be blood and as riddler all he did was sound unhinged which isn't exactly an accomplishment.
The final sobbing scenes at arkham especially made me cringe.
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"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
Anyway, I think that this is generally the issue with having writer rooms going conflicting ways, and that male writers generally focus on how things all come together logically while female writers tend to focus on how character A feels about character B.
This right here is utter drivel and a reminder of what a bad take machine you tend to be.
Anyway, I think that this is generally the issue with having writer rooms going conflicting ways, and that male writers generally focus on how things all come together logically while female writers tend to focus on how character A feels about character B.
This right here is utter drivel and a reminder of what a bad take machine you tend to be.
You have your opinion, I have mine. You won't see me tell you what you are so why do you think you can tell me what I am?
"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
Anyway, I think that this is generally the issue with having writer rooms going conflicting ways, and that male writers generally focus on how things all come together logically while female writers tend to focus on how character A feels about character B.
This right here is utter drivel and a reminder of what a bad take machine you tend to be.
You have your opinion, I have mine. You won't see me tell you what you are so why do you think you can tell me what I am?
Opinions aren't all equally valid by nature of being an opinion. You merely having an opinion doesn't relinquish others of their capacity to disagree with it.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Anyway, I think that this is generally the issue with having writer rooms going conflicting ways, and that male writers generally focus on how things all come together logically while female writers tend to focus on how character A feels about character B.
This right here is utter drivel and a reminder of what a bad take machine you tend to be.
You have your opinion, I have mine. You won't see me tell you what you are so why do you think you can tell me what I am?
Opinions aren't all equally valid by nature of being an opinion. You merely having an opinion doesn't relinquish others of their capacity to disagree with it.
I didn't say they couldn't have their own opinion I said they didn't have to tell me what I am just because I have mine.
"Why would i be lying for Wechhudrs sake man.., i do not write fiction!"
Colin Farrel has confirmed that Penguin will have a few scenes in the sequel to The Batman as well as a third if there is one. Seems Oz will be a constant background nuisance to the Dark Knight.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
